Smiths bass player Dale Hibbert opens Todmorden coffee bar (video) - todmordennews.co.uk

"Customers calling in at a new coffee bar in Todmorden have recognised a familiar face behind the counter.
Dale Hibbert, who was the bass player in the original line-up of influential 1980s band The Smiths, has opened Kava, on Halifax Road, with his wife Sveta.
Check out this video of Dale and Sveta giving a tour of the coffee bar and talking about their new life in Todmorden."

Video: Smiths’ bass player opens Tod coffee bar - Todmorden News
 
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BrummieBoy

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"S&J told me to buy some bowling shirts, turn up at a house near Fridays nightclub to get my hair cut, and that there was a strong possibility the band would project a gay image, more pretty boy than activist AKA Tom Robinson.

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Im not judging or commenting on Stephens sexuality, Johny obviously isn’t gay, and Mike wasn’t on the scene yet. This has to be viewed in the context of a new band formation, where all sorts of ideas are placed on the table. At that time, the first single was going to be “boy for birthday”, and the band was going to have a gay identity. Weeks later it was never mentioned again."

http://dalehibbert.blogspot.co.uk/2007/04/addressing-balance-my-recollections-of_20.html



Dodged a bullet there.

Dodged what bullet?

If this is true, it only shows that Morrissey and Marr considered a number of strategic approaches to getting off the street/outta Dodge. Frankie Goes To Hollywood were very clear that uber-sex was a way to storm the citadel and Paul Morley sculpted that meme, just as Wotziname sculpted Morrissey's aesthetic persona once the transgenderqueer back-up dancer was ditched along with the heteronormative Hibbert. Of course, no-one will ever be 'allowed' to ask any questions in this area. I remember a hilarious interview where Morrissey was asked about cottaging in Manchester in relation to a Coronation Street star who'd been caught with his pants down or a copper's knob in his gob. Morrissey was so affronted he got up and stormed out, even though at the time he was openly playing games by recounting how Manchester had lacked leather bars and so on.

I'm sure Morrissey would have said, done, been anything to become 'famous'. He filched the 'celibate defrocked priest working in the library' motif, but that's a whole other story. Isn't it, S? LOL!

regards
 

Reggie-Kray

Krayism
The simple fact is that he was used for his connection to the studio so the band could get free studio time. He could barely play the bass and mike said johnny had to show him where to put his fingers. He was a crap player, that's why they got rid of him.
 
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The simple fact is that he was used for his connection to the studio so the band could get free studio time. He could barely play the bass and mike said johnny had to show him where to put his fingers. He was a crap player, that's why they got rid of him.

"Were to put his fingers" ! "I want a boy for my birthday" ! "A lead singer who fashioned himself on pansy Pete" !
I think its becoming very clear why he felt the need to leave the band. Times where different back then and attitudes where very different also, these days no-one gives a monkeys chuff what people get up to.

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Johnny Barleycorn

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Dodged what bullet?

If this is true, it only shows that Morrissey and Marr considered a number of strategic approaches to getting off the street/outta Dodge. Frankie Goes To Hollywood were very clear that uber-sex was a way to storm the citadel and Paul Morley sculpted that meme, just as Wotziname sculpted Morrissey's aesthetic persona once the transgenderqueer back-up dancer was ditched along with the heteronormative Hibbert.

regards

The bullet of the Smiths targetting primarily the gay community while dressing as ten pin bowlers. A homonormative (to hijack one of your favourite words) style might well have seen the Smiths follow Tom Robinson and Frankie Goes To Hollywood into rapid chart obscurity. I doubt "I Want Boy For My Birthday" would have launched the Smiths in quite the same way as the less overt Hand In Glove, arse on the cover or not.
 

BrummieBoy

BrummieBoy
The simple fact is that he was used for his connection to the studio so the band could get free studio time. He could barely play the bass and mike said johnny had to show him where to put his fingers. He was a crap player, that's why they got rid of him.

ok, but was James Maker a crap dancer? didn't anyone notice he couldn't bop in high heels before letting him on stage. Poor dear, I bet he's never recovered. Autofellatio! Good grief! That takes a LOT of yoga practise, so I'm sure he could have got his jigging and rhumba steps up to scratch. What's with 'crap' player? They're usually the best. Sid Viscous. Still, Andy Rourkeoin turned out well. Did he write the bassline to Barbarism? It's the whole point of the song. Did he get paid for that?

Is Todmorden like Hebden Bridge, or Wilmslow? Sounds nice place. We could do with a full-on bespoke, boutique destination coffee place here, but instead we've just had another Cafe Nero open on the nearby retail park. Next to Marks and Sparks: how dire! Does Morrissey drink coffee? Or just earl grey tea? Does he have coffee enemas to get rid of that tomato penne poisoned with chicken broth in that uber snooty non-vegan 'restaurant/slaughter-house in Lima, Peru?

Why are you calling yourself after a murderous thug? Why was Moz interested in him? *thinking*......Are you repressed closet case macho-homo like the Krays ? If so, do you have a big one? Send me a pic, maybe? oh, say you will! oh, say you....I am the last of the famous international troll-boys! the last of......

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BrummieBoy

BrummieBoy
The bullet of the Smiths targetting primarily the gay community while dressing as ten pin bowlers. A homonormative (to hijack one of your favourite words) style might well have seen the Smiths follow Tom Robinson and Frankie Goes To Hollywood into rapid chart obscurity. I doubt "I Want Boy For My Birthday" would have launched the Smiths in quite the same way as the less overt Hand In Glove, arse on the cover or not.

Thank you for the clarification.

FGTH 'rapid chart obscurity'? huh? Their 3 singles will never, ever be dated or surpassed. I am singing "The Power Of Love" as I write this, and tears are falling. How I would love to hear the blessed Morrissey sing that to his flock of sheeple, he could mash it up with "guts to be gentle and kind" thingy, like he did with auld lang's syne, but I guess the mob would sing along like that funny woman at a show in E'bro I caught. Moz had a hilarious tantrum and started ranting at her in a not very loving way......he was being profound and she was just drunk and into karaoke. Tom Robinson changed his mind when he fell in love with a cis-woman-born-woman and got married and had babies. He got loads of flack from the heterophobic gayz if I recall, just like wot Bowie did when he got tired of being blown by Jagger (allegedly) and decided to marry the most beautiful woman in the world, have a daughter and spend a decade looking after her rather than trolling round the world spouting nonsense and pretending to be depressed and wanting to die in the daytime but the rushing off to a private hospital at the merest sniffle, like someone else did. "relax, don't do it, when u wanna suck it, do it". How very rude, how very dare you Holly!

regards.

ps: the arse on the cover was art, not porno: so don't be smutty about 'genius icons' or suggest careerist opportunism as a tactic kept at one's elbow by 'Outsider' rebels. You're just jealous of Morrissey, like me. A bitter, angry never-was been trapped in Mom's basement eating Doritos and drinking Pepsi all day. Just like me.
 

Johnny Barleycorn

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Thank you for the clarification.

FGTH 'rapid chart obscurity'? huh? Their 3 singles will never, ever be dated or surpassed. I am singing "The Power Of Love" as I write this, and tears are falling. How I would love to hear the blessed Morrissey sing that to his flock of sheeple, he could mash it up with "guts to be gentle and kind" thingy, like he did with auld lang's syne, but I guess the mob would sing along like that funny woman at a show in E'bro I caught. Moz had a hilarious tantrum and started ranting at her in a not very loving way......he was being profound and she was just drunk and into karaoke. Tom Robinson changed his mind when he fell in love with a cis-woman-born-woman and got married and had babies. He got loads of flack from the heterophobic gayz if I recall, just like wot Bowie did when he got tired of being blown by Jagger (allegedly) and decided to marry the most beautiful woman in the world, have a daughter and spend a decade looking after her rather than trolling round the world spouting nonsense and pretending to be depressed and wanting to die in the daytime but the rushing off to a private hospital at the merest sniffle, like someone else did. "relax, don't do it, when u wanna suck it, do it". How very rude, how very dare you Holly!

regards.

ps: the arse on the cover was art, not porno: so don't be smutty about 'genius icons' or suggest careerist opportunism as a tactic kept at one's elbow by 'Outsider' rebels. You're just jealous of Morrissey, like me. A bitter, angry never-was been trapped in Mom's basement eating Doritos and drinking Pepsi all day. Just like me.

An arse is an arse, be it on Page Three or a Rubens masterpiece.

FGTH were here and gone quite quickly, despite the three great singles. I was talking of chart, and not musical longevity. I heard Two Tribes the other day for the first time in years. Terrific.

I dislike Doritos, unless Ali Landry is somehow involved, and I'm a Coke man. I try to live above ground whenever possible, even if I only get as far as the gutter.
 

celibate

Forever Ill
that would have been pretty hard since Johnny was with Angie and I couldn't see Mike Joyce outing himself as gay since it's obvious he's straight and got a blokish "hard as nails" approach. I think Dale was kicked out myself.

I know, but check Dale Hibbert in the Mozipedia, I'd say I never heard or read it before, but found that line
in the Dale Hibbert Mozipedia worthy enough to mention, en everyone can check it.

I know, that Johnny was already wth Angie at the Smiths time.

last part, I'm unaware of the Manhatten gig in jan. 1983, shall look in my archive

' and they say he's mentall'... no life but books
 

celibate

Forever Ill
according pasion just like mine,
The first two concerts were done as a 5-piece band, including Morrissey friend James Maker as dancer.
Dale Hibbert played bass for the first gig, Andy Rourke replaced him in between then and the second gig.
So by the third concert, the final classic line up of Morrissey, Johnny Marr (guitar), Andy Rourke (bass) and Mike Joyce (drums) was fixed.

setlist
4 October 1982
Ritz, Manchester

The Hand That Rocks The Cradle
Suffer Little Children
Handsome Devil
I Want A Boy For My Birthday

The second gig:

25 January 1983
Manhattan, Manchester
Handsome Devil
The Hand That Rocks The Cradle
What Difference Does It Make?
These Things Take Time
What Do You See In Him?
I Want A Boy For My Birthday

I thought Stephane closed HIS site, well there's no link on here, but via search engine ,the site is still online , and indeed this info, so I'm a bit puzzled, but Im always

' and the say he's mentall' ...passions just like google
 
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BrummieBoy

BrummieBoy
I thought Stephane closed HIS site, well there's no link on here, but via search engine ,the site is still online , and indeed this info, so I'm a bit puzzled, but Im always

' and the say he's mentall' ...passions just like google

oh, dear! My secretary, Sharon has got the gender thing wrong again. I will have to deal with her sternly!


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