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snoddywilko

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So you decided to post this anonymously? Despite this I'll try & respond to your points.

No, what's becoming tiring is the likes of skinny trying to convince everyone on here, at every sodding opportunity, that Moz is racist, fascist, a bigot, & whatever else he can think of.
Save it, we've heard it, many times, you're done. No-one else can discuss whatever article, or anything else, without him chirping in with the same old practised lines (stock phrases as you put it), & then it descends into a fist fight. We heard him the first time. We've heard enough.

When you talk about skinny being marginalised, well, he's reaping what he's sown. He doesn't have to come here; he doesn't have to post, so why does he? The people on here hate him, as much as he hates Moz, & skinny has brought it all upon himself with all the historic hate stuff he's posted & continues to post. So either he's mentally ill (seriously) or he just revels in it all & thinks it gives him some type of 'status' as 'king agitator' or something equally as farcical.

I personally don't condone all this racists shit which appears on here. I do not believe Moz is racist by any stretch & I don't have any control over who posts what, so am not sure what your "why do you allow other users - registered and anonymous - to continually make racist statements that go unchallenged?" actually means. You should ask tseng that question, not me.

This place needs some moderation by tseng, but maybe that would be too much like hard work & conflict with his other interests. Many people have been asking for moderation for some time, from what I can gather, but it appears to suit his purpose to let right, left & other types of extremist on here.

Something's got to change otherwise this place will either die, or just become a full-time extremist forum, & the likes of tseng will be seen as someone who has promoted, condoned & sanctioned it, but actually did sod all to prevent it from happening.

He should be, frankly, ashamed of himself.
I wholeheartedly agree with every single word of this post.

Very well said.

DavidT really should take some responsibility and remove the bile-spewing users who are ruining this site; but perhaps he enjoys the negativity towards Moz; after all, it’s been how many years since Morrissey banned him from his concerts & put down this ‘hateful online crèche’ of a ‘fan-site’.

One valuable step, in my opinion, would be implementing a rule where anonymous users cannot post. Sure, the schizophrenic losers (you know who you are & so do the rest of us) would still make multiple accounts, but they would be somewhat more transparent.

Just a suggestion.
 

Mozmar

Well-Known Member
I wholeheartedly agree with every single word of this post.

Very well said.

DavidT really should take some responsibility and remove the bile-spewing users who are ruining this site; but perhaps he enjoys the negativity towards Moz; after all, it’s been how many years since Morrissey banned him from his concerts & put down this ‘hateful online crèche’ of a ‘fan-site’.

One valuable step, in my opinion, would be implementing a rule where anonymous users cannot post. Sure, the schizophrenic losers (you know who you are & so do the rest of us) would still make multiple accounts, but they would be somewhat more transparent.

Just a suggestion.
It's a fair point, snoddy, although I didn't know tseng had been banned from his concerts...how did he manage to ensure that was effective???...but maybe it gives us a clue about things.
Yep, anonymous' cannot post; you must be a registered user via email address; set of site rules to be agreed to upon sign-up; any contraventions you get a warning shot across the bows, posts deleted; further contraventions, you're banned; rinse & repeat.
Gotta be better than no rules/no moderation surely?
 

snoddywilko

Well-Known Member
It's a fair point, snoddy, although I didn't know tseng had been banned from his concerts...how did he manage to ensure that was effective???...but maybe it gives us a clue about things.
Yep, anonymous' cannot post; you must be a registered user via email address; set of site rules to be agreed to upon sign-up; any contraventions you get a warning shot across the bows, posts deleted; further contraventions, you're banned; rinse & repeat.
Gotta be better than no rules/no moderation surely?
You’d imagine it would be a given, intelligent way of running this site - especially given the cesspool it’s become - but David clearly likes it this way. “A Hateful Online Crèche” is the sites tag-line, the first thing one reads when seeing the site pop up in a google search; worn like a badge of honour.

I believe Morrissey enforced the ban by giving David’s photo to security at his concerts; this was several years ago, at least.
 
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Anonymous

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I don't have any control over who posts what, so am not sure what your "why do you allow other users - registered and anonymous - to continually make racist statements that go unchallenged?" actually means.
Therein lies the problem. You " ... don't have 'any' control"? Oh, contrer. Tseng doesn't filter the guff and I agree he has a responsibility that he continues to shirk. However, when the racist/homophobic/anti-semtitic etc. guff does appear it's now largely accepted by users. It goes unchallenged and therefore the forum becomes an acceptable place to promote those ideologies. It's Trump's America in action.

Your conflicting view with Skinny re: Morrissey's 'alleged' racism is directly about Morrissey and has, to my mind, a place in this forum. The other guff, the guff that goes out of it's way to incite hatred of black people, asian people, jewish people, immigrants, people of differing faith and LGBT people etc. isn't. I'd also add it was sickening to read the apologist support for a convicted paedophile in this forum. Support provided because the paedophile was right-wing.

Only Tseng has the power to control which posts appear but those in the forum should, in my - it seems naive - opinion, take responsibility to police it as best they can. I know why people would argue that they don't come here to police it - they come here for information and fun. However, look at any thread and just about everyone indulges in some form of bullying or other. Recently users in this forum went out of their way to identify Skinny's wife and her faith in attempts to attack Skinny. That's just sinister.

This superior nonsense that users have re: registered users and anonymous users is laughable. The vast majority of users on this site are anonymous and like you use fake names and avatars.
 
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Anonymous

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It's a fair point, snoddy, although I didn't know tseng had been banned from his concerts...how did he manage to ensure that was effective???...but maybe it gives us a clue about things. Yep, anonymous' cannot post; you must be a registered user via email address; set of site rules to be agreed to upon sign-up; any contraventions you get a warning shot across the bows, posts deleted; further contraventions, you're banned; rinse & repeat. Gotta be better than no rules/no moderation surely?
Tseng has no interest in stopping unregistered users using this forum. He'd lose the majority of his traffic.

There are several points above which could do with a little more info:

There are site rules - Tseng will not apply them no matter how many times requests are made.
Contraventions of rules occurs constantly. No warning shot is applied. The word "borderline" is often muttered by Tseng.
Posts and have been deleted. Recently Tseng removed photos that some deemed to be over-sexualised i.e. two men dry-humping. Nothing could be seen. It was far from graphic. However, he would not remove photos of gay men at London Pride that 2 vicious, hateful users posted then claimed the men in the photos to be paedophiles. These photos had the potential to put all of the innocent men in those photos - enjoying a strteet festival - at risk.

Email addresses can be set up in seconds. They are no barometer of identity or responsibility.

I would suggest that if unregistered posters are to be banned then all remaining and new registered users should then provide their real names and photos of themselves - otherwise what would be the point? Anonymous posters will still exist!?
 

PuppetParrot

Active Member
The Skinny platform nonsense is becoming tiring. Anyone who has used this forum knows that Skinny holds very particular views; views he has no qulams about sharing. I haven't always agreed with him and have raised my objections accordingly. Morrissey holds very particular views; views he has no qualms about sharing. When Morrissey does so the Moz-bots descend and often defend the indefensible. Morrissey, it seems, can do no wrong. For over two years this forum has been a festering sore of hatred. The hatred has be perpetrated, not always by the Moz-bots, but entryist right-wing hate-peddlers. It is these hate-peddlers that have changed the forum beyond all recognition. They have become the accepted norm within this forum and have generated division; the very reason they entered the forum in the first place.

Long-standing users have colluded with this plague or have sat by and allowed it to occur. Racists, anti-semites, homophobes etc., they have all, it seems, been welcomed.

Rather than an army of Skinny's what I have witnessed is consistent attempts to marginalise Skinny and to some degree this has worked. The hate-peddlers repeating the same stock phrases - a la Trump - it has sunk in and is the new truth.

I won't ever agree with all that Skinny has to say, and more so how he says it, but I think it incredibly unhealthy that there is a concerted attempt to close down his views (unsuccesfully) whilst arguing that Morrissey has a right to free speech.

Skinny, let's not forget, is a Smiths fan and was once a devoted Morrissey fan. Morrissey, he feels, has let himself down and continues to do so. I agree with Skinny. I know, I'm as shocked as anyone.

So ... if you genuinely believe that Morrissey isn't racist why do you allow other users - registered and anonymous - to continually make racist statements that go unchallenged? Why would you want such material appearing on this site. You can moan about Skinny all you want (and you do) but perhaps energies could be better directed to the blatant racist, anti-semites and homophobes etc. It's just a thought. A thought that will be shot down. Ho hum.

Cry me a river, Skinny.
 

PuppetParrot

Active Member
Tseng has no interest in stopping unregistered users using this forum. He'd lose the majority of his traffic.

There are several points above which could do with a little more info:

There are site rules - Tseng will not apply them no matter how many times requests are made.
Contraventions of rules occurs constantly. No warning shot is applied. The word "borderline" is often muttered by Tseng.
Posts and have been deleted. Recently Tseng removed photos that some deemed to be over-sexualised i.e. two men dry-humping. Nothing could be seen. It was far from graphic. However, he would not remove photos of gay men at London Pride that 2 vicious, hateful users posted then claimed the men in the photos to be paedophiles. These photos had the potential to put all of the innocent men in those photos - enjoying a strteet festival - at risk.

Email addresses can be set up in seconds. They are no barometer of identity or responsibility.

I would suggest that if unregistered posters are to be banned then all remaining and new registered users should then provide their real names and photos of themselves - otherwise what would be the point? Anonymous posters will still exist!?
Ban Skinny and half dozen of his aliases-surface, benny, trill, eldritch,etc and all problems will be over.
 

Mozmar

Well-Known Member
Tseng has no interest in stopping unregistered users using this forum. He'd lose the majority of his traffic.

There are several points above which could do with a little more info:

There are site rules - Tseng will not apply them no matter how many times requests are made.
Contraventions of rules occurs constantly. No warning shot is applied. The word "borderline" is often muttered by Tseng.
Posts and have been deleted. Recently Tseng removed photos that some deemed to be over-sexualised i.e. two men dry-humping. Nothing could be seen. It was far from graphic. However, he would not remove photos of gay men at London Pride that 2 vicious, hateful users posted then claimed the men in the photos to be paedophiles. These photos had the potential to put all of the innocent men in those photos - enjoying a strteet festival - at risk.

Email addresses can be set up in seconds. They are no barometer of identity or responsibility.

I would suggest that if unregistered posters are to be banned then all remaining and new registered users should then provide their real names and photos of themselves - otherwise what would be the point? Anonymous posters will still exist!?
All reasonable stuff as far as I can see - your points I mean. Although I couldn't imagine anyone would be willing to provide passport type information (real name/photo) for this site tbh. Why should it happen here when it's not required anywhere else?...even HMRC don't require that level of info. People just wouldn't bother.

I'm not going to bother any more with discussing or trying to find a solution for tseng; it's his site, he runs, and will run it as he sees fit, & like any reported threads, he'll do the square root of diddly squat, so can't see the point of that function. I'm just wasting my, & others time, typing this in, I feel.

It's sad, because I see other forums which actually do work; with rules, decent moderation, and accounts closed/deleted (spam/inappropriate stuff), so I know it can be done. After a while the crap does disappear, & the nasties slowly crawl away to easier environments...maybe they all end up here on Hate-Solo, who knows?

I'd love this site to 'work', but at the moment, it just doesn't, except as a cesspit, so I'm going to back out & observe from a safe distance for a while, & maybe only join in the less toxic subjects, you know those 'music' related ones (remember those?), which is the reason I, & possibly a few others, came here in the first place. Cheers & enjoy your respective days.
 
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carlislebaz

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I think this site should now be renamed as uncleskinny solo, as there is more shite on here about that cunt , than what there is about Morrissey... VIVA MORRISSEY
 
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Anonymous

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All reasonable stuff as far as I can see - your points I mean. Although I couldn't imagine anyone would be willing to provide passport type information (real name/photo) for this site tbh. Why should it happen here when it's not required anywhere else?...even HMRC don't require that level of info. People just wouldn't bother.

I'm not going to bother any more with discussing or trying to find a solution for tseng; it's his site, he runs, and will run it as he sees fit, & like any reported threads, he'll do the square root of diddly squat, so can't see the point of that function. I'm just wasting my, & others time, typing this in, I feel.

It's sad, because I see other forums which actually do work; with rules, decent moderation, and accounts closed/deleted (spam/inappropriate stuff), so I know it can be done. After a while the crap does disappear, & the nasties slowly crawl away to easier environments...maybe they all end up here on Hate-Solo, who knows?

I'd love this site to 'work', but at the moment, it just doesn't, except as a cesspit, so I'm going to back out & observe from a safe distance for a while, & maybe only join in the less toxic subjects, you know those 'music' related ones (remember those?), which is the reason I, & possibly a few others, came here in the first place. Cheers & enjoy your respective days.
A sensible reponse to my comment. I don't disagree with anything you've noted.
 

davidt

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It's sad, because I see other forums which actually do work; with rules, decent moderation, and accounts closed/deleted (spam/inappropriate stuff), so I know it can be done. After a while the crap does disappear, & the nasties slowly crawl away to easier environments...maybe they all end up here on Hate-Solo, who knows?
Can you list these sites specifically as an example? Usually people who say these things about 'other forums' don't actually provide them.
 

PuppetParrot

Active Member
None of those users are the arch right? How will banning them and only them solve the racism, homophobia and anti-semitism? Isn't what your advocating censorship?

They are all Muslims, Communists and Johnny Le Pew advocates. All three go together.
This is Moz solo forum. They can take the Communist/left wing Muslim stuff to the Guardian website and post it there where it belongs. The Johnny Le Pew-a national treasure without his own site-you can post at the New Order FB page, where it would be more suitable.
 
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Anonymous

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They are all Muslims, Communists and Johnny Le Pew advocates. All three go together. This is Moz solo forum. They can take the Communist/left wing Muslim stuff to the Guardian website and post it there where it belongs. The Johnny Le Pew-a national treasure without his own site-you can post at the New Order FB page, where it would be more suitable.
... and there you have in a nutshell what is glaringly wrong with this forum.
 
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Anonymous

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Can you list these sites specifically as an example? Usually people who say these things about 'other forums' don't actually provide them.
Do you often expect other people to provide you with solutions? I suppose, in one sense, it's positive that you asked the question at all but why aren't you researching methods that can make this forum a more convivial place? It's diffcult to take anything you say seriously when you wilfully ignore the current rules that you yourself drafted as guidelines. How about starting there? Review them. Publish them. Implement them.
 
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vegan cro spirit 555

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... and there you have in a nutshell what is glaringly wrong with this forum.
:rolleyes:

This is not the Guardian site. You can post all that nonsense about homophobics, Nazis and racists under the bed there. Try posting that NO twats are Nazis and see how long you last. 1 minute and you ll be back here.:lbf:
 
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Anonymous

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Do you often expect other people to provide you with solutions? I suppose, in one sense, it's positive that you asked the question at all but why aren't you researching methods that can make this forum a more convivial place? It's diffcult to take anything you say seriously when you wilfully ignore the current rules that you yourself drafted as guidelines. How about starting there? Review them. Publish them. Implement them.
You forgot, Enforce them...key part that last bit
 

snoddywilko

Well-Known Member
Can you list these sites specifically as an example? Usually people who say these things about 'other forums' don't actually provide them.
Steve Hoffman. I’m a regular on the music forums there & no talk about politics, religions or race etc are tolerated. Thousands of people are discussing music & music only.
 

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