Russell Brand

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Yes.

Russell Brand is not the worst of the crop. There are worse sex offenders and many dirty bastards rattling around, and plenty of men getting away with far more violation. Brand has cleaned up his act today. I must add that 'bad boys' are dying, but I'd say there are an increasing number of perverse dirty rats and p**n addicts.

He has said he was a hard puller and an addict. Addicts don't do things by halves, they go the full extreme, and explains the switch to heavy meditation, veganism - he has to go big or go home. He also strikes me as the kind of person who keeps up with trends to remain relevant. YouTube is the current immediate reality tv.

I think Moz took him under his wing and looks out for him, so why should Morrissey be responsible for the actions of a friend? It doesn't make sense, friends aren't full reflections or doubles of who you are. They may get on for reasons that aren't obvious and they can't agree on everything.
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There is a difference though between being highly sexed, being a sex pest, and breaking the law.
It looks like they contacted and interviewed hundreds of women - many told them their experience with RB had been pleasant. None of that was said in the documentary.
The clip of the interview with Saville was included to create guilt by association and absolutely no context was given. One interpretation of what was said in the Saville interview is that RB was taking the piss out of Saville by 'offering' his female assistant. Maybe even he was 'outing' Saville? Saville was the darling of the media at the time. Saville was also best friends with Charlie boy Windsor, now King Charles.
 
gashonthenail said:
There is a difference though between being highly sexed, being a sex pest, and breaking the law.
It looks like they contacted and interviewed hundreds of women - many told them their experience with RB had been pleasant. None of that was said in the documentary.
The clip of the interview with Saville was included to create guilt by association and absolutely no context was given. One interpretation of what was said in the Saville interview is that RB was taking the piss out of Saville by 'offering' his female assistant. Maybe even he was 'outing' Saville? Saville was the darling of the media at the time. Saville was also best friends with Charlie boy Windsor, now King Charles.
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But sex pests and obsession with sex can lead people to inflict abuse and break the law, its all in perspective.

RB is clearly addicted to sex and p*rn. I don't think its healthy for any man or women. Of course there is a healthy degree of obsession with sex because otherwise we would all die out as a species and it can be expressive, but when it tips into the obsessive and perverse, its just sick.

He may of been outing Saville, but was that the best way of doing it? It was a joke? Like I said, there are far far worse cases in the making or at large, which would be better sorted than a B list celebrity.

King Charles may of not known about Saville.... for example, Louis Theroux did a documentary about Saville, and he said he had no idea about Savilles under life and felt stunned that he missed any cues, he even said that he started to like Saville and found him personable, later he said he could not believe it. Many at the BBC said they had no idea or maybe only heard rumours, if everyone had known for certain somone would have spoken up, it was too bad what he did. These people have chrisma and are somewhat dazzling, if sometimes weird or dull, thats how they get away with it. Many people were fooled.

As for RB, I think the issue is a personal case regarding each of the women that are interviewed. All relationships are different and complicated. But some may have been badly 'used' and treated down. There may be other motifs for getting Russell Brand 'off the stage'. The C4 documentary wasn't a great idea, he hasn't had proper trials yet, and the police haven't had time to investigate.
 
Anonymous said:
RB is clearly addicted to sex and p*rn. I don't think its healthy for any man or women. Of course there is a healthy degree of obsession with sex because otherwise we would all die out as a species and it can be expressive, but when it tips into the obsessive and perverse, its just sick.
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was might be a better tense of the verb. He does seem to be much more settled these days, at least in terms of his relationships.
He did also have a diagnosis of bipolar affective disorder. Not that that excuses anything, of course, but it might have been nice for the documentary to at least mention it. Balance though clearly wasn't in the minds of the journalists making the documentary, obviously. Their intention was to paint him as the devil, simple as. And 'same scum as Saville'. I'm surprised there was no interview with Gary Glitter thrown in for good measure.
 
gashonthenail said:
was might be a better tense of the verb. He does seem to be much more settled these days, at least in terms of his relationships.
He did also have a diagnosis of bipolar affective disorder. Not that that excuses anything, of course, but it might have been nice for the documentary to at least mention it. Balance though clearly wasn't in the minds of the journalists making the documentary, obviously. Their intention was to paint him as the devil, simple as. And 'same scum as Saville'. I'm surprised there was no interview with Gary Glitter thrown in for good measure.
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I do think 'the media' have a selective eye and ear, often. Without brushing away the seriousness of sexual assult I'm going to take the Brand case with a pinch of salt, I still think he has issues in the areas I mentioned, but maybe less obviously. And I think there are many contemporary reasons why someone would target him today and try and get him and his lip shut down!
 
The beeb is saying RB waved his willy at a horrified woman in when pre-recording his radio show in LA. RB actually admits it during the show, broadcast on 21 June 2008. I note that he played 'Girl Afraid' by The Smiths at the start of the show!
 
Malarkey said:
They only knew who to approach because women were talking about it so much & creating lists of predatory men. Some of the lists were unbelievably libellous - & anyone with access to it could add a name & their accusation & it would be passed around without any fact checking at all.

In theory men were not allowed to see most of the lists - but obviously everyone was getting their friends to check if their name was on it.

Brand was one of the biggest UK names who had a LOT of accusations against his name. They haven't been able to verify that much - but - it does sound as if one has kept some quite serious receipts.

It could fizzle out or he could be jailed - it all depends.
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It's sad and a mess, isn't it? All or nothing. Someone told me today that actor Danny Masterson of That 70s Show, also long married with a child, got a thirty years' sentence or more after being convicted for rape said to have happened 20 years earlier. Who is this helping? The divorce has already been filed.

More and more young women trying to collaborate on other urgent more universal issues are no longer comfortable with what they see as exclusive one-sided rights being asserted in these cases e.g.
this opinion about why women expecting total independence could be a backward step - https://novaramedia.com/2022/09/03/dump-him-feminism-isnt-revolutionary-its-callous/

My 16-year-old nephew recently went to see the film Barbie and he came out indignant about how men were portrayed in it. How are people ever going to get along? Or alternately, maybe raising questions in this playful way (art) is part of the answer?
 
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gashonthenail said:
The letter from the MPs was disgraceful. It's clear though what is going on - Elon Musk was spot on. No need to search for some grand conspiracy. What we are seeing being played out here is a battle between old media and new media. Old media is dying. No one reads them. No one watches them. This is their attempt to still seem relevant. But they have clearly tried too hard with Brand and made their career assassination intentions a bit too obvious. It's all gone really quiet because they realise people can recognise a witch hunt when they see it. People aren't stupid - which is why the reading figures and the viewing figures for old media are so low, and only going in one direction.
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You tell the truth and you face being butchered
(Saint in a Stained-glass Window)
 
gashonthenail said:
was might be a better tense of the verb. He does seem to be much more settled these days, at least in terms of his relationships.
He did also have a diagnosis of bipolar affective disorder. Not that that excuses anything, of course, but it might have been nice for the documentary to at least mention it. Balance though clearly wasn't in the minds of the journalists making the documentary, obviously. Their intention was to paint him as the devil, simple as. And 'same scum as Saville'. I'm surprised there was no interview with Gary Glitter thrown in for good measure.
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The tour he'd just embarked on is called Bipolarisation. I like how Ticketmaster have now marked the shows as 'postponed'. Hopefully that's so. I gather it would have explored the increasing divisions in society and culture.

In 2019 Al Jazeera included Germaine Greer in a panel to discuss the #️⃣MeToo movement and women's rights. The video is here and a transcript is provided. It's very 'germane', and sometimes funny e.g. she says things like, "In fact the penis is the only part of a man I know what to do with frankly",
and, defending comments she made about Theresa May's dress,

"Yes, I am allowed to say that if Theresa May would give as much thought to Brexit as she gave to her f***ing necklaces, you have to bleep that out, then we might get somewhere. She must be carrying around this enormous case full of very heavy things, they look like the things that donkeys wear outside temples in India, these big wooden things, just do without them, get on with the job here, jump out of bed that 10 minutes earlier."
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IDPol (identity politics - one for you, Malarkey!) are being critiqued as increasingly problematic, when other issues are being so neglected, and desperately racist socio-economic structures oppress millions

https://www.rte.ie/news/world/2023/...-criticises-eu-response-to-qatargate-scandal/
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https://www.medialens.org/2023/the-mass-media-memory-hole-blair-ukraine-and-libya/
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https://morningstaronline.co.uk/art...s-britains-freeports-pain-sri-lankas-imf-deal
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https://www.socialeurope.eu/how-the-ecbs-deposit-facility-subsidises-banks
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https://systemicdisorder.wordpress....ld-no-country-on-earth-respects-labor-rights/

One danger is that a backlash to thoughtless disproportionate punishment of individuals could be used to pull back on gender progress.
 
Anonymous said:
He has said he was a hard puller and an addict. Addicts don't do things by halves, they go the full extreme, and explains the switch to heavy meditation, veganism - he has to go big or go home.
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Just a fact-check, but Russell Brand has been a vegetarian since his teen years (for which he credits Morrissey as a significant influence). I believe he became vegan only more recently, and he isn't very militant about it. I don't like his stupid YouTube channel, and he's probably promoted the carnivore Jordan Peterson on it more than he's promoted a vegan diet. His stuff is very derivative, and I don't suspect he's "heavy" on anything except for online savvy: a "heterodox"/"free speech"/Eastern meditation shtick that's good for selling merch and ads. Personally I liked him better in his preening, hair-tossing, verbose libertine days, which I guess is unfortunately when he was also being a "sex pest."
 
goinghome said:
The tour he'd just embarked on is called Bipolarisation. I like how Ticketmaster have now marked the shows as 'postponed'. Hopefully that's so. I gather it would have explored the increasing divisions in society and culture.

In 2019 Al Jazeera included Germaine Greer in a panel to discuss the #️⃣MeToo movement and women's rights. The video is here and a transcript is provided. It's very 'germane', and sometimes funny e.g. she says things like, "In fact the penis is the only part of a man I know what to do with frankly",
and, defending comments she made about Theresa May's dress,



IDPol (identity politics - one for you, Malarkey!) are being critiqued as increasingly problematic, when other issues are being so neglected, and desperately racist socio-economic structures oppress millions

https://www.rte.ie/news/world/2023/...-criticises-eu-response-to-qatargate-scandal/
&
https://www.medialens.org/2023/the-mass-media-memory-hole-blair-ukraine-and-libya/
&
https://morningstaronline.co.uk/art...s-britains-freeports-pain-sri-lankas-imf-deal
&
https://www.socialeurope.eu/how-the-ecbs-deposit-facility-subsidises-banks
&
https://systemicdisorder.wordpress....ld-no-country-on-earth-respects-labor-rights/

One danger is that a backlash to thoughtless disproportionate punishment of individuals could be used to pull back on gender progress.
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Identity politics is dead.

Its undead corpse is lumbering all over the mainstream - but that's how it goes.

Everyone is talking about class & economics again.
 
I'm going to share this video again because it shows the relationship between Brand And Morrissey very very well, it sums up alot about Morrissey too. This is a great video to share if Moz gets attacked. The facial reactions on the two of them are very descriptive of their character and years, and experience.

 
Anonymous said:
I'm going to share this video again because it shows the relationship between Brand And Morrissey very very well, it sums up alot about Morrissey too. This is a great video to share if Moz gets attacked. The facial reactions on the two of them are very descriptive of their character and years, and experience.

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What a pair of babes!! :hearteyes:
 
Anonymous said:
He has said he was a hard puller and an addict. Addicts don't do things by halves, they go the full extreme, and explains the switch to heavy meditation, veganism - he has to go big or go home.
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This is true, because addicts trade one addiction for another if they don't address the underlying cause of the addiction.
 
Has Steve cancelled his friend Russell Brand ?
The silence is deafening.

Benny 🇬🇧 :knife:
 
In a fairly recent interview Morrissey mentioned that he’d lost some high profile friendships due to his political views. I couldn’t help but think Russell Brand was one of them. Never a day seemed to pass where Morrissey’s name didn’t come out of Russell’s mouth. And then suddenly…..nothing.

Methinks Russell may have cancelled Morrissey before Morrissey got the chance to cancel Russell. Karma is kicking in.
 
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