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Whatever happened to innocent until proven guilty?
Russell Brand
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bhops
Last of the famous international screw ups.
Well that’s that then
Redacted
Perfectly Satisfied Living Rent Free
I don't really know why you think you should police my speech
gashonthenail
You will own nothing and you will be happy...
Just remember, bhops, you're trying to have a rational discussion with someone who thinks it's ok to send a male rapist to a female prison. And yet they are on here posing as the saviour of women. And children.
bhops
Last of the famous international screw ups.
I’m not. It’s interesting that you’ve already made up your mind.
bhops
Last of the famous international screw ups.
Really?? I really can’t reconcile how you can ever under any circumstances justify putting a biological man in a woman’s prison.
Redacted
Perfectly Satisfied Living Rent Free
Why wouldn't I? A jury won't matter, juries often get it wrong. He is not 'entitled' to a trial as a matter of course, he is only entitled to a trial as part of due process if he is charged and he will only be charged if a victim decides to press charges and the statute of limitations has not run out. The other recourse is a civil trial, which again, the victim has to initiate?
Has it really come to this? Are people not allowed to have opinions? Especially in such a casual setting as this? If I were in a pub talking about it over a beer, would I have to say the word 'alleged' over and over or can I just discuss it how I like?
gashonthenail
You will own nothing and you will be happy...
No rational person can. And no one who really cares about vulnerable women can. Unless they don't really give a damn about vulnerable women, and are just here to virtue signal.
bhops
Last of the famous international screw ups.
No you’re welcome to your opinion, I’m going to at least wait for his version of events.
Luxo
Luxo by name, Fuxo by nature
Let's wait for Jimmy Savile's version of events as well eh.
nicky wire's legs
Takin' out the trash!
juries often get it wrong, but not you. oh no, you have it right. in fact, you're so right that you're completely shut off to any other possibility than that he is guilty. what is that saying about the fool thinking he is right, and the wise man doubting himself??
interestingly you thought johnny depp was guilty too. i think you just have it in for sexy men. very telling.
Redacted
Perfectly Satisfied Living Rent Free
Did you see his video where he denied it all? Also, the reporters informed him of their story about 8 days before publication and gave him an opportunity to respond. How many chances does he get?
bhops
Last of the famous international screw ups.
He’s ded.
bhops
Last of the famous international screw ups.
I assume he will respond soon.
Redacted
Perfectly Satisfied Living Rent Free
He might and if he ever said anything to make me change my mind, I would say so. I already said I think the then 16 year old bears some responsibility for the relationship part of it and she only left him when she found him in bed with someone else. So, I think you and I are sort of in some agreement on that case.
The default in these cases is innocent til proven guilty, but this case is a bit different in that he has been telling us who he is for years. My opinion on a message board is not going to damage him.
Luxo
Luxo by name, Fuxo by nature
Would you want to hear his side of the story, with everything that we know about him, if he were alive?
Luxo
Luxo by name, Fuxo by nature
Yep, one who has alleged he sexually assaulted them in 2003 - this is in addition to the ones in the Times article, which took place between 2006 and 2013.
Redacted
Perfectly Satisfied Living Rent Free
Yes, now I remember that it was 2003
But how can you prove that somebody has harassed you, if there were no witnesses. And especially if it happened some time ago. Rape cases are difficult, even if you go to police straight after, since it's hard to prove sex happened without your consent, if no other kind of violence was involved. It's mostly the victim's word against the (alleged) harasser's word.
My take is that if more than one person accuse somebody of harassing them, I automatically believe them. I can imagine one person making false accusations out of spite or mental problems or whatever, but eight? No way.
