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LoafingOaf
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Re: welcome to Iraq
> Can you see a resemblance to your past utterings, let me show you!
> "Translated... blah blah blah" how is it you have this mind
> reading ability to translate my thoughts & feelings, read my post
> about yours I make a suggestion to you ASKING you do you mean blah blah
> blah. So what do you put this down to? Could it be arrogance or ignorance
> or what do you say it is, please feel free to tell me what I think/know
> etc etc.
You said we have "f***ed up an already f***ed up country." Can this mean anything BUT that you feel Mr. Karzai and the current situation there is WORSE than Afghanistan under the Taliban? And one wonders if you say such a line just off the top of your head, or as a result of studying what's going on there.
Oh, because there have been tragedies. Yes, a warlord duped America into hitting a rival rather than terrorists, a lesson learned. Yes, there was the horrible wedding f*** up. Innocent people were killed more often and ON PURPOSE by the Taliban and the arab occupiers.
My probalem with the international community was that they didn't kick
the Taliban's asses a few years ago. And it's funny to me, how there were
all sorts of leftists signing petitions condemning the Taliban for their crimes, murders, and Islamic fascism before 9/11, but the moment a country
resolved to actually do something about it, they decided it was better to support the Taliban than to support anything the U.S. government was involved in. So what were those pre-9/11 petitions all about, if in the end they opposed removal of the Taliban? It blows the mind to try and figure out that crowd.
But what has the War on Terrorism brought Afghanistan?
Unlike you, I don't toss off Afghanistan as a hopeless basket case: "f***ed up" forever apparently to you, still morning the defat of the Taliban.
I've been reading, and I've found out that 30 years ago they had the best roads in Asia, and thanks to the internationals there now, new roads are being built, so farmers can take goods to market, and truckers can reach the north. And beyond that, construction workers are being recruited from militias, which helps undermine the warlords. I've also learned that Afghanistan does have a basis to hope for something of a functional economy. Before the Soviets invaded in 1979, they had lots of exports. They can base an economy on vegetables, precious stones, carpets, clothing, natural gas and so forth. Expertise and investment is beginning to return to the country, among the 4 million exiled Afghans worldwide.
For you to say we "f***ed up an already f***ed up country," why is it that women teachers who had to teach in secrecy during the Taliban now have classes out in the open, with girls learning to read for the first time in their lives? Attendance at schools has gone from 5% to 35%, as children walk to school carrying Unicef bags containing readers, pencils, and writing books.
They need more money for this, while you seem to want all these efforts to fail to score your political points.
I saw an interview with a brick builder in Kabul, where bricks haven't been made in a decade because they figured there'd just be more shelling. When asked why he is choosing this time to build bricks again, he said: "We have a government now. People need houses." (NY TIMES, last Sunday) This is called banking on the future, Grim, which people haven't been doing in Afghanistan for a long time. And you're gonna sit there and say this isn't a good thing? A better thing than under the Taliban? It's not a less f***ed up situation?
In Mazar, carpet sellers were asked why there is peace in their city (at least peace by Afghanistan standards) and they pointed to the air at U.S. peacekeeping planes. Those actually working in Afhganistan to make the new government survives report that the biggest fear among locals is that the Americans and other internationals will leave too SOON, as they did before, and this in a country that hates outsiders. This is because there's the sense this is the last chance, and they will tolerate limited and temporary presence of outsiders if it can prevent civil war, complete anarchy, and a return of arab terrorists.
You seemed to be saying because there are Islamic terrorists trying to kill KArzai and undermine the government, that this means we've "f***ed up" the country. What does that mean? Because the freaks who enslaved Agghanistan are angry at the new government, and want it to fail? Of course that's the case.
And if KArzai IS killed and the government IS undermined, it's not just hope killed for Afghans. It would make the terrorists feel more uppity about Pakistan as well. It's so typical of European mentality to look at a difficult situation and back away. It's what led to Hitler plowing all over your continent. It's what led to 200,000 murders in Bosnia just hours away from most do-nothing European governments. Bosnia has had it's warlord fighting problems too, but now they have a growing national army undermining that. That's the model Karzai is following as he is trying to put together a national army for security.
A discouraging country does not mean a hopeless country. Hope is what you hear from the 1.6 million refugees who are returning home, faster than anyone expected. One of the biggest difficulties in Afghanistan right now is that Afghans are trying to rebuild at a pace that is faster than the international community expected, and they need more resources. You should be petitioning your government to do more in Afghanistan, not less. If we're really going around killing innocent Afghans recklessly, why aren't the Afghans ordering us to leave? Why they seem to be saying is, We're suspicious of infidels, but don't abandon us in these first couple years of danger.
I'm sorry it took self-interest for the world to help out a failed country, but a failed country is being helped, and it's thanks to the War on Terrorism. Get a clue.
> Can you see a resemblance to your past utterings, let me show you!
> "Translated... blah blah blah" how is it you have this mind
> reading ability to translate my thoughts & feelings, read my post
> about yours I make a suggestion to you ASKING you do you mean blah blah
> blah. So what do you put this down to? Could it be arrogance or ignorance
> or what do you say it is, please feel free to tell me what I think/know
> etc etc.
You said we have "f***ed up an already f***ed up country." Can this mean anything BUT that you feel Mr. Karzai and the current situation there is WORSE than Afghanistan under the Taliban? And one wonders if you say such a line just off the top of your head, or as a result of studying what's going on there.
Oh, because there have been tragedies. Yes, a warlord duped America into hitting a rival rather than terrorists, a lesson learned. Yes, there was the horrible wedding f*** up. Innocent people were killed more often and ON PURPOSE by the Taliban and the arab occupiers.
My probalem with the international community was that they didn't kick
the Taliban's asses a few years ago. And it's funny to me, how there were
all sorts of leftists signing petitions condemning the Taliban for their crimes, murders, and Islamic fascism before 9/11, but the moment a country
resolved to actually do something about it, they decided it was better to support the Taliban than to support anything the U.S. government was involved in. So what were those pre-9/11 petitions all about, if in the end they opposed removal of the Taliban? It blows the mind to try and figure out that crowd.
But what has the War on Terrorism brought Afghanistan?
Unlike you, I don't toss off Afghanistan as a hopeless basket case: "f***ed up" forever apparently to you, still morning the defat of the Taliban.
I've been reading, and I've found out that 30 years ago they had the best roads in Asia, and thanks to the internationals there now, new roads are being built, so farmers can take goods to market, and truckers can reach the north. And beyond that, construction workers are being recruited from militias, which helps undermine the warlords. I've also learned that Afghanistan does have a basis to hope for something of a functional economy. Before the Soviets invaded in 1979, they had lots of exports. They can base an economy on vegetables, precious stones, carpets, clothing, natural gas and so forth. Expertise and investment is beginning to return to the country, among the 4 million exiled Afghans worldwide.
For you to say we "f***ed up an already f***ed up country," why is it that women teachers who had to teach in secrecy during the Taliban now have classes out in the open, with girls learning to read for the first time in their lives? Attendance at schools has gone from 5% to 35%, as children walk to school carrying Unicef bags containing readers, pencils, and writing books.
They need more money for this, while you seem to want all these efforts to fail to score your political points.
I saw an interview with a brick builder in Kabul, where bricks haven't been made in a decade because they figured there'd just be more shelling. When asked why he is choosing this time to build bricks again, he said: "We have a government now. People need houses." (NY TIMES, last Sunday) This is called banking on the future, Grim, which people haven't been doing in Afghanistan for a long time. And you're gonna sit there and say this isn't a good thing? A better thing than under the Taliban? It's not a less f***ed up situation?
In Mazar, carpet sellers were asked why there is peace in their city (at least peace by Afghanistan standards) and they pointed to the air at U.S. peacekeeping planes. Those actually working in Afhganistan to make the new government survives report that the biggest fear among locals is that the Americans and other internationals will leave too SOON, as they did before, and this in a country that hates outsiders. This is because there's the sense this is the last chance, and they will tolerate limited and temporary presence of outsiders if it can prevent civil war, complete anarchy, and a return of arab terrorists.
You seemed to be saying because there are Islamic terrorists trying to kill KArzai and undermine the government, that this means we've "f***ed up" the country. What does that mean? Because the freaks who enslaved Agghanistan are angry at the new government, and want it to fail? Of course that's the case.
And if KArzai IS killed and the government IS undermined, it's not just hope killed for Afghans. It would make the terrorists feel more uppity about Pakistan as well. It's so typical of European mentality to look at a difficult situation and back away. It's what led to Hitler plowing all over your continent. It's what led to 200,000 murders in Bosnia just hours away from most do-nothing European governments. Bosnia has had it's warlord fighting problems too, but now they have a growing national army undermining that. That's the model Karzai is following as he is trying to put together a national army for security.
A discouraging country does not mean a hopeless country. Hope is what you hear from the 1.6 million refugees who are returning home, faster than anyone expected. One of the biggest difficulties in Afghanistan right now is that Afghans are trying to rebuild at a pace that is faster than the international community expected, and they need more resources. You should be petitioning your government to do more in Afghanistan, not less. If we're really going around killing innocent Afghans recklessly, why aren't the Afghans ordering us to leave? Why they seem to be saying is, We're suspicious of infidels, but don't abandon us in these first couple years of danger.
I'm sorry it took self-interest for the world to help out a failed country, but a failed country is being helped, and it's thanks to the War on Terrorism. Get a clue.