Question for the mods

[reelfountain]

Homophobia exists and continues as an accepted norm because while it is extremely overt it can also be surreptitous in nature. As has been said elsewhere context is important. Reelfountain has an obssesive, compulsive hatred of LGBT people and has openly expressed this:

“Why not treat it as an unfortunate affliction or disease.”

“So why encourage gayness if it's the result of paedophilic abuse?”

“I'd say most gays were abused as kids and that is why they are gay.”

“ … they need to admit this, move on and stop trying to recruit children to their cause - it definitely gives an impression of paedophilia.”

Is the throwing of two gay men to their deaths funny? Is it a joke?

These are not jokes. They are not intended as such. They are 1. attempts at provocation and 2. homophobic statements.

Excusing it by attempting to describe anyone who calls it out as 'sensitive' falls in to the surreptitious category. LGBT people have a greater awarness of homophobia and it consequences because a considerable number of them have direct experience of it. This is not a sensitivity but the harsh reality.

It's clear to me that Morrissey Solo is not only accepting of homophobia but is endorsing it. I'm not suggesting all users are homophobic - some have challenged many of the homophobic comments that have appeared in recent weeks - the majority of which come from Reelfountain. What Reelfountain has attempted to do, as she has done in regards to accusations that she is racist, is to unsuccessfully attempt to paint herself as the victim: to engender sympathy by using the mantra of free speech; that her rights are being quashed; that the establishment is conspiring against her. It all sounds very much like someone with a persecution complex, someone who experiences psychosis. In those circumstances I could understand why someone would make such perisistent hateful, fearful comments. However, I believe Reelfountain, and the others involved, are fully aware of their actions and the consequences of those actions.

Recently the unfunny British comedian Jo Brand said that acid should be thrown into the faces of Tory politicians.

The papers made a big fuss out of it and due to a public outcry the police got involved to see if a crime had been committed by Brand's airing of this comment. They quickly concluded that no law had been broken and no further action was to be taken.

This illustrates that what is funny to some may be highly offensive to others, but we must accept it as free expression. I find my shadowy humour very funny indeed. For example, I think that if you met a serial killer on Grindr it could be be a blessing, as he might be the one to finally take your head out of your arse before he cuts it off and gives himself oral pleasure with it. Then job done kicks it away like a football.

I find that hilarious. In fact I plan to continue along that vein in increasingly stronger doses if you choose to repeatedly come here to read my every post like an obsessed fanboy (nobody is forcing you). So expect more razor sharp edginess coming your way, for your pleasure only (as I can only presume you're some kind of masochist who enjoys it).

If, however, the lashings of my vocal whip are indeed too cutting for your delicate sensibility you're welcome to do the logical thing and leave. We are all free citizens. I wouldn't freely opt to view a gay porn site on a daily basis, for example. I would find it too offensive (and probably puke all over my screen). But I'm tolerant enough not to want to ban or silence its existence.

 

[Stephen Hofmann]

Homophobia exists and continues as an accepted norm because while it is extremely overt it can also be surreptitous in nature. As has been said elsewhere context is important. Reelfountain has an obssesive, compulsive hatred of LGBT people and has openly expressed this:

“Why not treat it as an unfortunate affliction or disease.”

“So why encourage gayness if it's the result of paedophilic abuse?”

“I'd say most gays were abused as kids and that is why they are gay.”

“ … they need to admit this, move on and stop trying to recruit children to their cause - it definitely gives an impression of paedophilia.”

Is the throwing of two gay men to their deaths funny? Is it a joke?

These are not jokes. They are not intended as such. They are 1. attempts at provocation and 2. homophobic statements.

Excusing it by attempting to describe anyone who calls it out as 'sensitive' falls in to the surreptitious category. LGBT people have a greater awarness of homophobia and it consequences because a considerable number of them have direct experience of it. This is not a sensitivity but the harsh reality.

It's clear to me that Morrissey Solo is not only accepting of homophobia but is endorsing it. I'm not suggesting all users are homophobic - some have challenged many of the homophobic comments that have appeared in recent weeks - the majority of which come from Reelfountain. What Reelfountain has attempted to do, as she has done in regards to accusations that she is racist, is to unsuccessfully attempt to paint herself as the victim: to engender sympathy by using the mantra of free speech; that her rights are being quashed; that the establishment is conspiring against her. It all sounds very much like someone with a persecution complex, someone who experiences psychosis. In those circumstances I could understand why someone would make such perisistent hateful, fearful comments. However, I believe Reelfountain, and the others involved, are fully aware of their actions and the consequences of those actions.

You're obsessed. Have you actually ever posted anything about music?

 

[Anonymous]

That part about things I was accused of is a deflection and you didn't even say "things you did," but "things you were accused of," so, as you say, whatever.
I did say that what is hate speech is debatable, but the rules of the site are not so debatable. You left that part out. As far as "hate speech" goes, I'm not really in favor of criminalizing speech anyway, but that's a more subtle debate. The point that you're ignoring is that your site has rules.
This is not YouTube, Twitter, or Facebook and you are not responsible for what it posted there.
But is this site worse? @Stephen Hofmann seems to think so because he brags about receiving temporary bans at those places, yet he is comfortable to post the same things that got him banned there.
It's beside the point though.
There is some difference of opinion on what may be considered "hate speech."
I am not suggesting that you get into the business of criminalizing speech. You don't have to worry about what is "hate speech" because your site rules are very clear.

"your site rules are very clear" or as vague when required.

 

[Anonymous]

Thanks for providing the quotes and links. I clicked on a few of the links but they didn't go to the actual comment so I couldn't verify. Anyway, I was going to see if anyone else agreed or cared but so far no one has really replied so what you can do is create an account, add these users to your ignore list and then you won't need to read their posts. If you want to send the links to these anti-hate speech groups go ahead, but from my perspective some may be borderline but I don't see clear violations.

 

[Anonymous]

I find this post pornographic, offensive and degrading of women. Will it be removed? Will it f***! Over to you D Tseng.

https://www.morrissey-solo.com/thre...-observer-july-16-2019.144572/page-8#comments

 

[reelfountain]

I find this post pornographic, offensive and degrading of women. Will it be removed? Will it f***! Over to you D Tseng.

https://www.morrissey-solo.com/threads/can-morrissey’s-musical-legacy-survive-his-bad-press-dallas-observer-july-16-2019.144572/page-8#comments

It's a joke you stupid humorless prick.

 

[Anonymous]

Nope. Sexist. Porn. Remove it!!!!!!

 

[Anonymous]

He later enjoyed a career in Sweden.



Or did he?

 

[bhops]

I find this post pornographic, offensive and degrading of women. Will it be removed? Will it f***! Over to you D Tseng.

https://www.morrissey-solo.com/threads/can-morrissey’s-musical-legacy-survive-his-bad-press-dallas-observer-july-16-2019.144572/page-8#comments

Whadda rack.

 

[bhops]

Homophobia exists and continues as an accepted norm because while it is extremely overt it can also be surreptitous in nature. As has been said elsewhere context is important. Reelfountain has an obssesive, compulsive hatred of LGBT people and has openly expressed this:

“Why not treat it as an unfortunate affliction or disease.”

“So why encourage gayness if it's the result of paedophilic abuse?”

“I'd say most gays were abused as kids and that is why they are gay.”

“ … they need to admit this, move on and stop trying to recruit children to their cause - it definitely gives an impression of paedophilia.”

Is the throwing of two gay men to their deaths funny? Is it a joke?

These are not jokes. They are not intended as such. They are 1. attempts at provocation and 2. homophobic statements.

Excusing it by attempting to describe anyone who calls it out as 'sensitive' falls in to the surreptitious category. LGBT people have a greater awarness of homophobia and it consequences because a considerable number of them have direct experience of it. This is not a sensitivity but the harsh reality.

It's clear to me that Morrissey Solo is not only accepting of homophobia but is endorsing it. I'm not suggesting all users are homophobic - some have challenged many of the homophobic comments that have appeared in recent weeks - the majority of which come from Reelfountain. What Reelfountain has attempted to do, as she has done in regards to accusations that she is racist, is to unsuccessfully attempt to paint herself as the victim: to engender sympathy by using the mantra of free speech; that her rights are being quashed; that the establishment is conspiring against her. It all sounds very much like someone with a persecution complex, someone who experiences psychosis. In those circumstances I could understand why someone would make such perisistent hateful, fearful comments. However, I believe Reelfountain, and the others involved, are fully aware of their actions and the consequences of those actions.

Oh, so YOU get to decide what is and isn't a joke on this site? Nah, f*** off. You don't get to play the morality police for everyone else here. Sometimes humour, especially dark humour can cut close to the bone and leave you both laughing and feeling a bit guilty about laughing at the same time. A joke about gays doesn't imply homophobia. Ricky Gervais has done a funny bit about Anne Frank in one of his routines. It's both funny and dark. does it constitute antisemitism? probably in your world where the least bit of offence automatically means, a phobia of some variety, or racism or Nazism or some other ism. It must be exhausting for you. Below is Ricky's Anne Frank piece.

 

[The Truth]

Site rules? What site rules? There are none. Everything that is acted upon in this forum is done so on a whim and is accepted by the owner/administrator David Tseng.

The owner/administrator of this site cannot hold to the 'rules' that he himself wrote. What chance is there that he will hold others accountable? None. Absolutely none.

As yet, despite the seriousness of the issues at hand, homophobia and racism - David Tseng - has yet to explain how the comments he was provided with, in regard to homophobia, are acceptable within those rules. He does not, because he cannot. So ... he deflects.

He asks for evidence, pretends to look at it, pretends to find it inconclusive, and exits the conversation.

Oh, so YOU get to decide what is and isn't a joke on this site? Nah, f*** off. You don't get to play the morality police for everyone else here. Sometimes humour, especially dark humour can cut close to the bone and leave you both laughing and feeling a bit guilty about laughing at the same time. A joke about gays doesn't imply homophobia. Ricky Gervais has done a funny bit about Anne Frank in one of his routines. It's both funny and dark. does it constitute antisemitism? probably in your world where the least bit of offence automatically means, a phobia of some variety, or racism or Nazism or some other ism. It must be exhausting for you. Below is Ricky's Anne Frank piece.

I think it's hilarious to imagine you home schooling your kids. That's not even a joke but it is funny.

 

[bhops]

He asks for evidence, pretends to look at it, pretends to find it inconclusive, and exits the conversation.

I think it's hilarious to imagine you home schooling your kids. That's not even a joke but it is funny.

Thanks honey

 

[The Truth]

Thanks honey

Sorry, Kevin Spacey.

 

[Anonymous]

Oh, so YOU get to decide what is and isn't a joke on this site? Nah, f*** off. You don't get to play the morality police for everyone else here. Sometimes humour, especially dark humour can cut close to the bone and leave you both laughing and feeling a bit guilty about laughing at the same time. A joke about gays doesn't imply homophobia. Ricky Gervais has done a funny bit about Anne Frank in one of his routines. It's both funny and dark. does it constitute antisemitism? probably in your world where the least bit of offence automatically means, a phobia of some variety, or racism or Nazism or some other ism. It must be exhausting for you. Below is Ricky's Anne Frank piece.

As ever, another heterosexist view point that actively deflects from the points made. None of the quotes made by Hofman or Reelfountain are intended as jokes and that is, quite simply, were the rest of your argument falls on it's face. Ricky Gervais is a comedian. If on stage then some of his material could be regarded as questionable humour - if people feel it is they have a right to challenge him. However, if that same questionable material is repeated off-stage as a personal view - a view that consistently and relentlessly targets a specific minority group or issue - then that would illustrate malice and potential agenda.

Hofmann and Reelfountain have consistently and relentlessly targeted not just LGBT people but other minority groups too. They both go out of their way to be malicious (in just about every thread) and make no secret that they promote an alt-right agenda. If they themselves admit to being supporters of an alt-right agenda - read their comments and admissions - and have argued for white supremacy, eugenics, anti-LGBT and anti-Islmaphobia etc. within their posts - as part of that agenda, where then is the joke? Where is the humour?

 

[Stephen Hofmann]

Recently the unfunny British comedian Jo Brand said that acid should be thrown into the faces of Tory politicians.

The papers made a big fuss out of it and due to a public outcry the police got involved to see if a crime had been committed by Brand's airing of this comment. They quickly concluded that no law had been broken and no further action was to be taken.

This illustrates that what is funny to some may be highly offensive to others, but we must accept it as free expression. I find my shadowy humour very funny indeed. For example, I think that if you met a serial killer on Grindr it could be be a blessing, as he might be the one to finally take your head out of your arse before he cuts it off and gives himself oral pleasure with it. Then job done kicks it away like a football.

I find that hilarious. In fact I plan to continue along that vein in increasingly stronger doses if you choose to repeatedly come here to read my every post like an obsessed fanboy (nobody is forcing you). So expect more razor sharp edginess coming your way, for your pleasure only (as I can only presume you're some kind of masochist who enjoys it).

If, however, the lashings of my vocal whip are indeed too cutting for your delicate sensibility you're welcome to do the logical thing and leave. We are all free citizens. I wouldn't freely opt to view a gay porn site on a daily basis, for example. I would find it too offensive (and probably puke all over my screen). But I'm tolerant enough not to want to ban or silence its existence.

Nope. Sexist. Porn. Remove it!!!!!!

Nothing pornographic about it. No nudity. It's advertising art from a 70's movie. Do breasts threaten you or something?

 

[Stephen Hofmann]

I find this post pornographic, offensive and degrading of women. Will it be removed? Will it f***! Over to you D Tseng.

https://www.morrissey-solo.com/threads/can-morrissey’s-musical-legacy-survive-his-bad-press-dallas-observer-july-16-2019.144572/page-8#comments

As ever, another heterosexist view point that actively deflects from the points made. None of the quotes made by Hofman or Reelfountain are intended as jokes and that is, quite simply, were the rest of your argument falls on it's face. Ricky Gervais is a comedian. If on stage then some of his material could be regarded as questionable humour - if people feel it is they have a right to challenge him. However, if that same questionable material is repeated off-stage as a personal view - a view that consistently and relentlessly targets a specific minority group or issue - then that would illustrate malice and potential agenda.

Hofmann and Reelfountain have consistently and relentlessly targeted not just LGBT people but other minority groups too. They both go out of their way to be malicious (in just about every thread) and make no secret that they promote an alt-right agenda. If they themselves admit to being supporters of an alt-right agenda - read their comments and admissions - and have argued for white supremacy, eugenics, anti-LGBT and anti-Islmaphobia etc. within their posts - as part of that agenda, where then is the joke? Where is the humour?

I've never discussed "eugenics" or "white supremacy".....I've criticised some aspects of modern gay culture and Islam....like a lot of the world have. And I'm not "alt-right". You have no sense of humour but you have an obvious loathing for women.

 

[Anonymous]

I've never discussed "eugenics" or "white supremacy".....I've criticised some aspects of modern gay culture and Islam....like a lot of the world have. And I'm not "alt-right". You have no sense of humour but you have an obvious loathing for women.

Stupid, in denial and delusional. The bottom of a barrel scraped.

 

[Anonymous]

Nothing pornographic about it. No nudity. It's advertising art from a 70's movie. Do breasts threaten you or something?

Ooooh, "when I post porn it's art!" When anyone else does it's filth and it should be banned. Interesting notion of democracy you have there. We know how much you hate gays so that 'art' had to go!

 

[ZOOM FROM GLOOM]

Oh, so YOU get to decide what is and isn't a joke on this site? Nah, f*** off. You don't get to play the morality police for everyone else here. Sometimes humour, especially dark humour can cut close to the bone and leave you both laughing and feeling a bit guilty about laughing at the same time. A joke about gays doesn't imply homophobia. Ricky Gervais has done a funny bit about Anne Frank in one of his routines. It's both funny and dark. does it constitute antisemitism? probably in your world where the least bit of offence automatically means, a phobia of some variety, or racism or Nazism or some other ism. It must be exhausting for you. Below is Ricky's Anne Frank piece.

It may depend on who’s telling the joke. If the person has a record of making hateful comments then their ‘dark humor’ may not not be interpreted as funny.

 

[Stephen Hofmann]

Ooooh, "when I post porn it's art!" When anyone else does it's filth and it should be banned. Interesting notion of democracy you have there. We know how much you hate gays so that 'art' had to go!

How is that image pornographic? Are you so gay, that breasts frighten you?