Question for davidt

[Uncleskinny]

To summarise:

Nazi content doesn't violate the TOS.

Asking why nazi / racist content is allowed is more disrespectful / annoying than the actual posting of nazi / racist content.

Some more anonymous personal attacks. A Hitler GIF.

You're free to start your own site and moderate it to your wishes.

 

[Anonymous]

Are you stupid? Go away. If you don't like this website which is provided to you free of charge, leave, you ungrateful asshole. Create your own website and then you can block all the Nazi posts you want. But for now:

I'd rather see a porn than this

 

[Anonymous]

I'd rather see a porn than this

And what's stopping you, freak?

It's like you're addicted to this website and you're looking to blame the owner for the content that people like YOU post, do you realize how insane you sound? It's like blaming YouTube for the comments posted on a Britney Spears video. It's the Internet. What part of that do you not understand?

GROW

UP.

 

[Anonymous]

And what's stopping you, freak?

It's like you're addicted to this website and you're looking to blame the owner for the content that people like YOU post, do you realize how insane you sound? It's like blaming YouTube for the comments posted on a Britney Spears video. It's the Internet. What part of that do you not understand?

GROW

UP.

I don't need cu#ts like you to educate me. Now, f*** off.

 

[SuperDog]

how can Hitler be against forum rules? calling your opponent Hitler is SOP in all Internet forums.

 

[Anonymous]

You're free to start your own site and moderate it to your wishes.

That would scare me more than Hitler tbh.

 

[Anonymous]

Does this mean we aren't allowed to quote that lyric from 'Oh Phoney', now?

 

[Anonymous]

I don't need cu#ts like you to educate me. Now, f*** off.

Apparently....

YOU DO!

 

[Anonymous]

Apparently....

YOU DO!

Go back to your knitting, Ms. Marple. You bore me to death.

 

[You Are Obsessed With Me]

Go back to your knitting, Ms. Marple. You bore me to death.

Perhaps the most interesting and clever post I've ever read (said no one ever)

 

[Deleted member 25370]

Yes, please post here any updates as I am on the side of the site operator as it is similar. I understand that threats of violence aren't appropriate but I have not seen any of that. Where is the line drawn? Should wishing Hitler a Happy Birthday be censored in your view?

it should, as it is a glorification of the nazi regime and thus a criminal offence according to german law. i understand that your policy is based upon us law which is different. nevertheless you should acknowledge that your content is accessible from german computers too. in germany a provider has to delete neonazi propaganda within one week of notification.
the "threat of violence" is btw not a direct one. it is hidden within the historical context. the reanimation of nazi propaganda of the 40s is intimidating those groups who were victims of nationalsocialism and their descendants, e.g. jewish people. this form of intimidation aims among other things at silencing these groups again, thus the glorification of the nazi regime is a violation of THEIR freedom of speech even though there is not a direct threat
plus, we dont live in the 80s and 90s any longer but in an age of radicalization which requires a clear positioning from each one of us
in my opinion you should think about expanding your tos to take up a stance against racist and neonazi propaganda

 

[JesuCristo]

it should, as it is a glorification of the nazi regime and thus a criminal offence according to german law. i understand that your policy is based upon us law which is different. nevertheless you should acknowledge that your content is accessible from german computers too. in germany a provider has to delete neonazi propaganda within one week of notification.
the "threat of violence" is btw not a direct one. it is hidden within the historical context. the reanimation of nazi propaganda of the 40s is intimidating those groups who were victims of nationalsocialism and their descendants, e.g. jewish people. this form of intimidation aims among other things at silencing these groups again, thus the glorification of the nazi regime is a violation of THEIR freedom of speech even though there is not a direct threat
plus, we dont live in the 80s and 90s any longer but in an age of radicalization which requires a clear positioning from each one of us
in my opinion you should think about expanding your tos to take up a stance against racist and neonazi propaganda

First of all, do we actually know Hitler was wrong? Your point of view is that we must first admit that Hitler was wrong, invalidating those who believe he was right. You are forcing the website to take a stand and that is not fair to the website. The stance is fair. Grow the f*** up and ignore what you don't agree with, you cry baby and while we are at it, f*** Germany. They'd be speaking Russian right now if it wasn't for America.

And maybe Hitler had a point? Jews treat Palestinians horribly, maybe it's time to expose this and hold them accountable? Take a look at this: http://www.bbc.com/news/world-middle-east-39365158
http://www.bbc.com/news/world-middle-east-39365158

 

[Uncleskinny]

First of all, do we actually know Hitler was wrong? Your point of view is that we must first admit that Hitler was wrong, invalidating those who believe he was right. You are forcing the website to take a stand and that is not fair to the website. The stance is fair. Grow the f*** up and ignore what you don't agree with, you cry baby and while we are at it, f*** Germany. They'd be speaking Russian right now if it wasn't for America.

And maybe Hitler had a point? Jews treat Palestinians horribly, maybe it's time to expose this and hold them accountable? Take a look at this: http://www.bbc.com/news/world-middle-east-39365158
http://www.bbc.com/news/world-middle-east-39365158

 

[God Save Trump]

Are you accusing moi of being a Nazi? Aren't you in a enough trouble with your false accusations? (Hey Simon, let's make that a class action lawsuit.) You're the one that lives in a country who sat on their asses and drank tea while Germany was bombing the living shit out of you, you British pussy. You'd be speaking German if it wasn't for America, you should kiss my feet and pray to me and my people nightly for saving you and your people's lives. In fact, if it was for America the world would be in ashes, everyone should kiss our sweet asses.

 

[Anonymous]

I wonder how many people were 'radicalised' and decided to become goose-stepping Nazi's after reading it was Adolf Hitler's birthday on a random post on Morrissey Solo? Thousands? Twelve? Or could the actual figure be...nobody?

I'm guessing the latter.

 

[Surface]

Are you accusing moi of being a Nazi? Aren't you in a enough trouble with your false accusations? (Hey Simon, let's make that a class action lawsuit.) You're the one that lives in a country who sat on their asses and drank tea while Germany was bombing the living shit out of you, you British pussy. You'd be speaking German if it wasn't for America, you should kiss my feet and pray to me and my people nightly for saving you and your people's lives. In fact, if it was for America the world would be in ashes, everyone should kiss our sweet asses.

Yes, was really impressed with how you fat, burger gorging, loud mouthed c***s got on in Vietnam.

 

[It's Complicated]

I have family members, now deceased, who actually fought against the Nazis. But I don't think they did it so that people in the US would have to pay attention to German law sixty years later. I understand why Germany has those laws but I think asking the site not to post things that are forbidden in Germany is asking too much.
Should the site also not post things which would be forbidden in Saudi Arabia? If you're going to have a site that no government anywhere in the world would object to I'm not sure what would be left.
I don't joke about Hitler and I'm not joking when I say that the picture of "Jesus" could also be considered a hate crime. I'm not minimizing the effects of the Nazis in any way but the effect that Christianity has had on the world has, in my opinion, not been a positive one. Can I say the same thing about Islam? I don't know if the post will be approved. How many gay people are tortured to death in Islamic countries? How many women are killed because they happened to have been the victims of sexual assault?
What about China? Google tailors their search results in order to be allowed in China. Is that ethical? Is it necessary?
The point I was trying to make is that while I'm certainly glad that Hitler lost the war, and I am concerned about Aryan gangs, white nationalists, and other racist organizations, I would assume that a post wishing Adolf Hitler happy birthday was made by someone who was trolling and that person probably is enjoying the attention they got for it. I think it's unlikely that Hitler had a happy birthday since he was forced to take his own life over a half century ago.
Whether or not such posts should be considered trolling or political speech, how seriously they should be taken, and whether they should be allowed at all is another question. But it shouldn't have anything to do with what is legal in other countries. That itself is another type of, not fascism, but certainly a restriction of freedom. I think if it were up to me I would not have allowed the post, but maybe I would. I think I do appreciate that the site will allow things that David and the moderators don't condone or agree with and that a lenient reading of the TOS is better than an overly strict one.
Maybe I'm wrong but I don't understand why the posts that are in question seem not to have been reported. If it's about the post wishing Hitler a happy birthday, it seems that this is not against TOS. I think that if a post an unregistered user is approved it probably indicates that it was read and determined not to violate site rules. But you can appeal that by reporting it. I do think you have to be careful because if you misrepresent what you're reporting you lose credibility, annoy the people that manage the site, and probably receive less cooperation and actually achieve the opposite of your goal. If you start talking about monetary damages and things like that you almost force the site to take the opposite view because German law is not valid in the US and a threat or warning that has no validity almost dares the site have contempt for the suggestion.

If you're in Germany and there are things on this site that are illegal there, I believe the onus is on you not to view it.

 

[Anonymous]

I have family members, now deceased, who actually fought against the Nazis. But I don't think they did it so that people in the US would have to pay attention to German law sixty years later. I understand why Germany has those laws but I think asking the site not to post things that are forbidden in Germany is asking too much.
Should the site also not post things which would be forbidden in Saudi Arabia? If you're going to have a site that no government anywhere in the world would object to I'm not sure what would be left.
I don't joke about Hitler and I'm not joking when I say that the picture of "Jesus" could also be considered a hate crime. I'm not minimizing the effects of the Nazis in any way but the effect that Christianity has had on the world has, in my opinion, not been a positive one. Can I say the same thing about Islam? I don't know if the post will be approved. How many gay people are tortured to death in Islamic countries? How many women are killed because they happened to have been the victims of sexual assault?
What about China? Google tailors their search results in order to be allowed in China. Is that ethical? Is it necessary?
The point I was trying to make is that while I'm certainly glad that Hitler lost the war, and I am concerned about Aryan gangs, white nationalists, and other racist organizations, I would assume that a post wishing Adolf Hitler happy birthday was made by someone who was trolling and that person probably is enjoying the attention they got for it. I think it's unlikely that Hitler had a happy birthday since he was forced to take his own life over a half century ago.
Whether or not such posts should be considered trolling or political speech, how seriously they should be taken, and whether they should be allowed at all is another question. But it shouldn't have anything to do with what is legal in other countries. That itself is another type of, not fascism, but certainly a restriction of freedom. I think if it were up to me I would not have allowed the post, but maybe I would. I think I do appreciate that the site will allow things that David and the moderators don't condone or agree with and that a lenient reading of the TOS is better than an overly strict one.
Maybe I'm wrong but I don't understand why the posts that are in question seem not to have been reported. If it's about the post wishing Hitler a happy birthday, it seems that this is not against TOS. I think that if a post an unregistered user is approved it probably indicates that it was read and determined not to violate site rules. But you can appeal that by reporting it. I do think you have to be careful because if you misrepresent what you're reporting you lose credibility, annoy the people that manage the site, and probably receive less cooperation and actually achieve the opposite of your goal. If you start talking about monetary damages and things like that you almost force the site to take the opposite view because German law is not valid in the US and a threat or warning that has no validity almost dares the site have contempt for the suggestion.

If you're in Germany and there are things on this site that are illegal there, I believe the onus is on you not to view it.

You joke about Hitler, then say you wouldn't joke about Hitler.

If you were a moderator, you would have approved the post. Or maybe not.

Jesus is just like Hitler.

If content on a web site is offensive, the onus is on the reader not to read it.

Are you a bit daft?

 

[It's Complicated]

You joke about Hitler, then say you wouldn't joke about Hitler.

If you were a moderator, you would have approved the post. Or maybe not.

Jesus is just like Hitler.

If content on a web site is offensive, the onus is on the reader not to read it.

Are you a bit daft?

When people have to intentionally misstate and misrepresent my statements I don't worry too much about their opinions. I don't remember joking about Hitler but maybe I did. Sometimes humor is a good defense. Laughing at Hitler is different than laughing at the actions of the Nazis. Like I said, it's complicated. But I'm not responsible for your inability to understand my post. I don't think Jesus is just like Hitler, but the point is that if we're going to start being offended by depictions of cult leaders why stop with one?
You got one almost right. If content on a website is illegal in your country, maybe you shouldn't read it.

 

[Anonymous]

When people have to intentionally misstate and misrepresent my statements I don't worry too much about their opinions. I don't remember joking about Hitler but maybe I did. Sometimes humor is a good defense. Laughing at Hitler is different than laughing at the actions of the Nazis. Like I said, it's complicated. But I'm not responsible for your inability to understand my post. I don't think Jesus is just like Hitler, but the point is that if we're going to start being offended by depictions of cult leaders why stop with one?
You got one almost right. If content on a website is illegal in your country, maybe you shouldn't read it.

Yep. Daft.