Morrissey Central "Prince George" (November 19, 2022)

NealCassidy

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gashonthenail

You will own nothing and you will be happy...
Turns out Boy George got shit for wrongthink, too:


He is, of course, completely correct.
He's absolutely correct. And not alone. Marc Almond, James Dreyfus, Simon Callow, Simon Fanshawe have all criticised the trans activist ideologues (most of whom aren't even trans) and been labelled 'transphobic' for doing so. Many trans campaigners have also criticised the same ideology that is putting trans rights back by 30 years.
 

Dirk Blaggard

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He's a human being. Is there a 'purity' test people still have to pass before we are allowed to 'like' them? I gave up beliefs like that when I became agnostic at about the age of 12.

I think the point is, just cause someone mentions you, doesn't mean its worth mentioning them
A friend of mine loves M and has learned from him, but said his biggest lesson was not making some of the mistakes M seems to make. He said the main one is he didn't want to get trapped by his friends and be as needy as M seems to be.
At the time, I thought M was GOAT a "do what the f*** I like" Beast. The more I think about it.
I see what he means
This need M has these days, where he likes whoever says something nice about him. is a real weakness. A very insecure move. He never used to be like this either. He used to push people away, be picky, and only want the right people to like him. It's like he feels so alone and ignored that whenever anyone likes him, he has to mention them or like them. Even though these are people he would have run away from years ago . You get this trait with people like Trump also.
 

Dirk Blaggard

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What's amazing about the whole thing is that despite this, somehow Boy George has largely avoided being cancelled to a far greater extent than Morrissey, whose only crime was saying some off-brand stuff about immigration.
Right on.
I always think of the blog post someone did, when they mentioned the things M said, then actually included links. so you can hear what M said. They then mention the fact, that M has broken no law. Yet is treated worse than someone who has. Its a very good pro M argument and worth a million Fiona articles
 

gashonthenail

You will own nothing and you will be happy...
No, they aren't
They are both Irish/English like loads of brits and are "camp" music acts who worshipped David Bowie and are mouthy shits. That's it. End of
George is a full-on gay ex-drug addict, who goes on any show that pays him ( look at the show we are talking about)
George is a complete attention seeker and although a good singer and songwriter he is in no way as poetic as M or as iconic
I like BG but he is a real money grabber who is full of shit. I mean he was a Buddhist that chained a rent boy to a radiator. He is just about the pose He goes on about being a rebel who says what he wants= but he plays the game as much as any other light entertainer. I mean he's been on a few reality shows. He is the direct opposite of M in loads of ways

By the way who is in the profile picture, Andrew lincoln?
David Hoyle is a 'gay ex-drug addict' and Moz is a big fan of him. I'm not sure if Moz would condemn Mr O'Dowd for any of those things you mention above. Maybe Moz is attracted to figures like Hoyle because they appeal to a side of his character that he has never been able to express - except in his lyrics?

When Hoyle was 24, with his liver failing because of heavy drinking, he could have never imagined making it to 60. Performing as Divine David, he’d go on stage at clubs and inject himself with drugs, not knowing what they were, and let the audience watch as his high played out before their eyes. He pushed himself so hard that he needed to take six years out of the spotlight, starting around the year 2000. When Hoyle returned to performing, he was no longer Divine David, but David Hoyle. Just as much an edgy anti-capitalist and anti-establishment freedom fighter, but not so self-destructive.

 

sea salt

Always summer, always alone, the fruit always ripe
I was never a fan of Culture Club - although I did like Boy George's influence on moving society forward in relation to the questioning of traditional gender roles. And I always thought as a pop song this was quite a nice sentiment to get out there to the 12-year old record buying public:


Boy George, David Bowie, Annie Lennox ... they all pushed back against gender norms. They were clever, daring and brilliant. They made it OK to be androgynous. They eviscerated stereotypes instead of reinforcing them.

It's a funny world in which Boy George and Marc Almond are bigots and people like Dylan Mulvaney are heroes.

 

goinghome

Hearts securely stacked
That is such a slimy post...

Boy George used to caveat supporting Morrissey & people are beginning to drop it - so I'd like him to keep moving in that direction.
I haven't seen the word 'caveat' used in that way before. Thanks for the typical edification!

Wary of reputed and recent faux pas from this source, I hesitated over clicking on this link but watching pays off. Besides his great voice and being a hunky humorous gentleman, Morrissey's compositions and antics are helpful for thinking, feeling and living, for working things out under constricting conditions, according to many over the years, and as Boy George indicates. 'You were good in your time and we thank you'. And it's still his time, so no scarpering just yet please!
 
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gashonthenail

You will own nothing and you will be happy...
I haven't seen the word 'caveat' used in that way before. Thanks for the typical edification!

Wary of reputed and recent faux pas from this source, I hesitated over clicking on this link but watching pays off. Besides his great voice and being a hunky humorous gentleman, Morrissey's compositions and antics are helpful for thinking, feeling and living, for working things out under constricting conditions, according to many over the years, and as Boy George indicates. 'You were good in your time and we thank you'. And it's still his time, so no scarpering just yet please!
Don't be too edified - it's simply bad grammar.
 

gordyboy9

Game Of Death.
And he was also jailed for 15 months for holding a male rent boy prisoner by chaining him to a wall and beating him with a metal chain.
he said the being tied to a radiator bit was made up by the current bun and the like.not buying it.
 

gordyboy9

Game Of Death.
He sees a lot of Morrissey in himself - and vice-versa. Both gave compelling interviews that set them apart from their contemporaries of the time. They were also the sons of tough Irish working-class fathers and had mothers who doted over them, for whom they could no wrong.
Both also liked to be deliberately awkward, periodically pressing the self-destruct button to spice things up. Some of the Culture Club stuff I can still enjoy, but his solo stuff feels insipid and rather forced to me.
the crying game was a very good song.
 

gordyboy9

Game Of Death.
Right on.
I always think of the blog post someone did, when they mentioned the things M said, then actually included links. so you can hear what M said. They then mention the fact, that M has broken no law. Yet is treated worse than someone who has. Its a very good pro M argument and worth a million Fiona articles
iv said for years that if there was three judges with the things M has said in front of them,would they find him racist,some things are over the top but racist i will leave that to the judges.
 

gordyboy9

Game Of Death.
Boy George, David Bowie, Annie Lennox ... they all pushed back against gender norms. They were clever, daring and brilliant. They made it OK to be androgynous. They eviscerated stereotypes instead of reinforcing them.

It's a funny world in which Boy George and Marc Almond are bigots and people like Dylan Mulvaney are heroes.


shes wearing a polo neck,is that to hide the adams apple.
 

gordyboy9

Game Of Death.
thought it was going to be prince george aged 10 wearing Ms bambi t=shirt.
 
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Uk_Hazard

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BG is a big Smiths / Moz fan and always has been.
He's also a deeply unpleasant, lying, conniving f***-up, but Central won't care about that.
No he's not.

At least in those early days he > was < a total and utter pain in the arse, a right drama queen. And more besides.

But since 2000 he's mellowed with age.
He's quite nice now - honestly !

Hazard x
 

Surface

Chilling in Cheshire.
No he's not.

At least in those early days he > was < a total and utter pain in the arse, a right drama queen. And more besides.

But since 2000 he's mellowed with age.
He's quite nice now - honestly !

Hazard x

Dread to think what he was like pre 2000 then as it was 2009 when he was jailed for imprisoning and beating someone.

Boy George was convicted of assault and false imprisonment in 2009. The singer handcuffed Norwegian model and male escort Audun Carlsen to a wall and beat him with a metal chain. He told the jury he was only able to get free after breaking the fixture.
 
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gashonthenail

You will own nothing and you will be happy...
Watch out, gashonthenail, before you're thoroughly pounded again!

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I don't think many on here share your assessment of Karen's argument, goinghome, but you are entitled to your opinion. I think the general consensus is that Karen is well meaning and her heart is in the right place - but that, at best, she sees the world through rose tinted glasses and, at worst, is verging on delusional, with a penchant for mental gymnastics. And I think posts like that by Mike Rourke above deserve a more coherent response.
Karen is correct that Boy George has previously circumscribed his praise for Moz with aversion to some of his views. So, for example, in this NME article: I still love Morrissey and The Smiths even though I don’t love what he’s saying at the moment, but I put that into grumpy old man category.
Gordy talked about 3 judges. I would suggest there are 3 possibilities:
1. Moz didn't realise AMW and FB were 'far right' and 'fascist'. He merely supported them because they want to ban religious slaughter. He didn't take the time to read any of their other policies. He was duped. This would appear to be Karen's argument. And if he waits long enough, Karen argues, people will just forget and move on. No apology or retraction needed for such egregious stupidity on Moz's part.
2. Moz supported AMW and FB because he is 'far right' He liked their stance on banning religious slaughter but did take the time to read their other policies and thought their 'far right' and 'fascist' polices were great. This would appear to be Skinny's argument. So we should all burn our Morrissey albums and move on from liking him.
3. Moz didn't think AMW and FB were 'far right'. He liked their stance on banning religious slaughter, yes, but did take the time to read their other policies and didn't think they were 'far right' or 'extreme'. He thinks that the media describing them as 'far right' is just another example of the media telling us lies. AMW and FB might have had some views that were 'controversial' or 'problematic' in these woke times, but Moz has always been a bit 'controversial' and 'problematic' himself. And Moz is entitled to his views, even if you don't share them. Like wanting to send Margaret Thatcher to the guillotine. Yep, clearly far right.
I think most people think option 3, and think that Moz is entitled to his views and opinions, whether you agree with them or not, and whether or not you agree with anything AMW or FB ever said. That would seem to be Boy George's opinion too from the quote above. Most sane people don't believe anything they are told by the media.
But as Karen might put it, you pays your money and you takes your choice...
 
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BurgerButt

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George and Paul W have always been good mates, they did a great tune from Weller's album a few years ago......
 
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