Re: Posters in New York
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There's a huge difference between mocking someone for something they cannot change about themselves and mocking someone for being a f***ing asshole. If I didn't know any better I'd say you just tried to normalise the former.
He is not talking about "the worst of the worst."
He is saying specifically what I said he was and using the word "send" exactly as I said.
Don't be disingenuous.
I'm done.
Never said they should. Please point me to where I said that America should take in criminals from other countries.
Latest poll shows that Clinton is tied with Trump in Georgia, one of the REDDEST and MOST CONSERVATIVE states in the nation. He isn't even capable of beating a woman and a Democrat in the South. LOL
by the ip number. you said yourself that i use or twist words etc or did you just mean right here and now.
same to you cl but if you dont read info on what may influence a vote, a very very important one, then i hope you dont vote at all again if you even live here because of the intolerance you have for someone to type how they like omg without capitals. the swhock and horror of it all.
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your right about the shrill shouting, its not a good image strategy, into a bullhorn but its also interesting to note that she did a lot of campaigning to groups in halls and other places and not large rallies. her positions take conversational back and forth, which in the interview that i posted which no one will read showing sanders trying to explain himself in his own words but cant seem to manage, while his do not as they are fantastical. thats why he does a lot of large rallies and she doesnt
You missed part of the quote. It was conveniently left out. Go watch the video of his speech and you'll see the part I'm referring to.
And there is evidence that people are being directed to the border. America is a dumping ground. This is not a revelation.
What Trump has done is tapped into the pulse of many Americans who feel disenfranchised and left out of the political process. Obama had his "Yes We Can" battle cry and Trump has his "America First". Like his style or not this resonates strongly to those who feel it's time to put the issues affecting our society and economy in the spotlight. Many have been vocal about US involvement in international affairs. Well he is putting forth ideas to get our own house in order.
Those outside America claim that our foreign policy is driven by our need for oil. But then when we developed a way to try and secure this need within our borders, the oil cartel colludes to drive prices down putting many Americans out of work and ruining the economies of many small hard working towns. This is but one example of the frustration that is coming to a boil. This is by no means an endorsement of him rather a simple explanation as to why he has won over many Americans.
What Trump has done is tapped into the pulse of many Americans who feel disenfranchised and left out of the political process. Obama had his "Yes We Can" battle cry and Trump has his "America First". Like his style or not this resonates strongly to those who feel it's time to put the issues affecting our society and economy in the spotlight. Many have been vocal about US involvement in international affairs. Well he is putting forth ideas to get our own house in order.
Those outside America claim that our foreign policy is driven by our need for oil. But then when we developed a way to try and secure this need within our borders, the oil cartel colludes to drive prices down putting many Americans out of work and ruining the economies of many small hard working towns. This is but one example of the frustration that is coming to a boil. This is by no means an endorsement of him rather a simple explanation as to why he has won over many Americans.
Yes, the parallels with Obama are strong. Black Superman Jesus couldn't save us but maybe Angry White Political Outsider Man can do the trick.
And actually, having someone who promised as much and delivered as little as Obama did is a perfect way to alienate people who don't have strong party ties but just want a change. It's not surprising Trump is doing so well, once you can accept that many of our friends and neighbors really do feel this threatened in today's world.
i would say that the gop in congresses rejection of anything obama put forth from the american jobs act to criminal reform such as the rejection of a privatized prison system that would have actually helped the people in there own base was there undoing. trump is tapping into many issues some, a major part being disenfranchisement from the political process but some is just basic fear of safety which you argue is part of the national political process or not ( yes and no really ), but its not just just about putting those issues into the spotlight as dems have been doing that for years now but with a gop controlled house and senate nothing can gain traction. its about voting for who will solve them which is why i think boith he and sanders will fail and are horrible choices. i myself cant wait to see a debate of trump against clinton as i think shes gonna tare him apart on live tv. im in a split state myself which can give an interesting perspective. i grew up in the very red tea party side of the state but am left and have a very leftest, sometimes mind numbingly so, family and moved to a very blue spot meaning that i hear it all from everyone all the time and its interesting how a lot of them are now saying the same thing. ive not seen that before in my lifetime firsthand. its a very complicated election time for america. these issues are all inter connected and require nuance to interpret and solve which is again why im for sure voting clinton over sanders and of course trump
Well one thing for sure is you won't be the only one voting for her and if I were to bet I think she will win, but I'm a terrible gambler. It may be narrow minded and shallow, but I just don't like her. I find her to be two faced and harsh. A coworker has a friend that was an assistant to her and left because of how she was treated. She is no angel, nor is Trump, but these are the only choices so it looks like we either cancel each other out or sit it out. I'll let you decide.
If Trump becomes President then America will become the TV show it inevitably was always going to be. It's just not one I am going to continue to want to watch. The Inited States is much like the Roman Empire it's ridiculous.
You said he didn't mean "sent" in that way, and that he was not talking about a nation of people, but these quotes show that is exactly what he meant. If another part of it modifies it in some way, that's great, but we narrowed it down to those two issues and what you were representing was not factual. Leaving Trump out of it and just looking at it as a discussion, you should have put your second paragraph in earlier. Now you're saying, "He didn't say that and if he did he didn't mean it that way, and if he did mean it that way there is evidence that he is right." This is not an attack on you or what you believe, but I'm just telling you that your argument fell apart on that point, in my opinion. I went looking for the exact quote, which was unfortunate for you, because it actually states exactly what I thought it only implied. Like I said, if some other part of it modifies this, I'm glad. But it's on you to present your case. And good luck because that could hardly be more clear. "Some of my best friends are Mexicans" is not going to make much difference.
Sure he's being a dick there but we don't have to deny that the reporter is disabled. He was portraying a character and maybe you think he did a shitty job. But it's just a joke.
I certainly hate being a pariah and I think I'd be pretty miserable if I had to be shielded from jokes just because of superficial traits. In fact I know this to be the case. Nothing should be off limits really, with rare exceptions and depending on the context of course. Trump does have to ease into more of a presidential role to be sure.
Our culture is dominated by political correctness and whether Trump is sometimes crude or not this is another issue he is blowing wide open. Leftist hysterics find it hard to deal with and are so quick to tell people what they can and can't say. It's got to change.
This has f*** all to do with PC, and everything to do with civility. You can dress it up how you like, but making fun of someone for something they cannot change about themselves - colour, sexuality, orientation, disability, gender - is not on. It's not PC, it's being human.
What I said was that "sent" implies a process that is a little too active for what's actually going on. It's more covert. But make no mistake, Mexico are encouraging people to cross the border. They are allowing it and people from El Salvador and other central and South American countries know very well that they can use Mexico as a conveyor belt to get into America. Even terrorists from the Middle East could take advantage of the Mexican portal. Anyone could.
We KNOW that the worst of the worst of these people are criminals including drug traffickers, rapists, and murderers. These people would not be allowed in legally so there is a reason they come in illegally.
Trump's point was that the illegals are not the same as the legal immigrants to America. Not ALL of them are bad people but a vastly disproportionate number are, understandably.
I don't see much point in focusing on tangents any further but here's some data:
http://www.anncoulter.com/columns/2015-07-01.html
Yeah, I'm not going to go back and get your quotes and compare them to what you're saying now because I don't care that much, but I remember you switching "sent" for "have." And yes, the process is really subtle and you have to use your special Trump decoder ring while reading Ann Coulter to really get it, but both things are true/not true at the same time because those Mexicans are tricky. I got it.
yes, it's about context, and context is, in my opinion, precisely what made the attack on the man so indicative of a deplorable personality. trump, let's get real, is not a comedian. when someone does comedy there are all sorts of nuances about their personality that you as a viewer are in on. their personality becomes part of the joke. sometimes it's understood that the comedians schtick is to be a bit of a jerk. and so when he makes fun of someone part of the focus, part of what comes across as amusing, is the personality that would think that making fun of someone is okay. trumps mockery wasnt done as part of some "look at me, im an odious troglodyte" self-deprecating routine. it was done in the capacity of someone on their pedestal surrounded by people supporting him. i can, admittedly, be a bit of a jerk at times; i will admit i enjoy calling a certain meathead at work a meathead and that i think it's funny how much the fact that he is a gigantic meathead offends him (because surely logic dictates that if it offends him he could simply stop being a meathead? either that or stop being offended). but we have an understanding; we each make fun of each other. i also have an understanding with the people at work that im okay with them thinking im a jerk for it, and that by all means they should. and they do. it wouldnt be funny to me if they didnt. unlike trump, i dont do it to appear big or clever or to win anyone over or to try to make a point. the moment some other person gets in on it and the understanding is lost, is the moment i would stop doing it. to be okay with making fun of someone to a whole crowd of people supporting you in making fun of someone is a pretty clear indication that there is something profoundly wrong in a persons nature, and does strike me as being extremely malicious.It depends on the context. Using comedy for an audience is different than going up to someone and bullying and threatening them for certain traits. Intention matters and context matters. Again, let's not be disingenuous. We all know the difference between a joke and a malicious attack and most of us have a sense of humour.
A man to be kind, would be the first great step.
Did Oscar say that? He never said it to me. Well, what can one REALLY do when it comes to politics? as voting ,not voting? Does it really make any difference? And so,what can one do to make any difference? Seems a very helpless,hopeless situation.
Is anyone above it? Don't think so. Mostly I feel greater change comes in the everyday personal choices we make and what we do as individuals,if one dares to be an individual in the first place,that would be the first great step for mankind. A man to be kind, would be the first great step. To be a creator or... destructor ?