Peter Katsis statement: "All this over a pin?" - Morrissey Official FB (24 May, 2019)

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By Famous when dead on May 24, 2019 at 9:52 PM
  1. Famous when dead

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    "All this over a pin?

    Everyone always wants to jump to conclusions.

    Morrissey has never been affiliated with any political party in the past. Morrissey has never voted in his life, and is not a member of any political party.

    Morrissey opposes racism, hatred and press censorship. Morrissey believes in free speech and free expression and opposes totalitarian regimes. Morrissey has only ever met two political figures - Ken Livingstone and Tony Blair.

    Morrissey currently wears lapel pins of James Baldwin, Malcolm X, Martin Luther King, Aretha Franklin, Oscar Wilde.

    Morrissey is quite used to smear campaigns from the UK press. It is nothing new for us.

    Thanks to the fans the CS record is currently # 2 at HMV today. And thanks to Merseyrail for all the extra press today!

    A great holiday weekend to all. - PK."


    Regards,
    FWD.


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Discussion in 'General Discussion' started by Famous when dead, May 24, 2019.

    1. Anonymous
      Anonymous
      YES YES YES - we are denying they are fundamentally racist. Now you get it - at last.
    2. ordinaryboy86
      ordinaryboy86
      Ok well, I should’ve said “in the eyes of many” he’s the face of fascism. And I keep these kinds of discussions off the Facebook page, we don’t discuss the politics, we just have a mutual passion for his music and collectors items. And if there’s anyone on here that enjoys the collectors page and is disappointed by my comments on Solo, then sorry, but like I said, I can’t stand by Morrissey on this one.
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    3. ordinaryboy86
      ordinaryboy86
      Doh! Then you’re more in denial that I thought. And like so many others on here, you can’t have a rational or objective view on it, your posts have proved that. Your ramblings come from a place of defensive fanaticism. This forum is toxic, it’s full of lunatics.
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    4. Thewlis
      Thewlis
      You don’t have to. I don’t agree with his presumed politics either, or with his extreme animal welfare-agenda for that matter, but that doesn’t keep me from enjoying the music.

      It still seems strange to me that so many fans struggle with this, although it seems to be UK fans primarily.

      Morrissey stands for so much more, and I think his ‘politics’ is only a very small part of his persona. Like his ‘nasty judges’-phase in the past (which went on a little too long) I do hope he leaves this politics-phase soon behind him. Enough is too much!
    5. ordinaryboy86
      ordinaryboy86
      That’s because decent British people don’t stand for that sort of intolerance, we weren’t brought up that way, we’re proud of the multiculturalism and diversity we have in this country.

      Sadly there’s a few that’s living in the Stone Ages, those parties Morrisseys aligning himself with are living in the Stone Age. They want an exclusively white Britain, I don’t care how they chose to dress it up, that’s what they’re gunning for.


      And what about White British homegrown people that have committed atrocities or heinous crimes on British soil, what country do we expel them to?
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    6. Ketamine Sun
      Ketamine Sun
      ‘In flames our prophet witches
      Be polite’
    7. FROSTY
      FROSTY
      .. one person is offended and posters are removed... virtually everyone is offended by something we should take everything down.

      "There is no such thing as bad publicity?"

    8. Anonymous
      Anonymous
      Go away. You Kaiser Chief loving Tory.
    9. Gejo
      Gejo
      I bought his new album and I quite like it. As usual! Interestingly, he has done versions of lefties singers. Oh my!!

      About the statement! It is a massive contradiction and it doesn't make sense! He is wearing pins of James Baldwin, Malcolm X, Martin Luther King, Aretha Franklin, Oscar Wilde and believing in all the things mentioned, but at the same time he is wearing a For Britain (right-wing and anti-Islam party) pin? And he is asking people to give them a chance?
      OK I am vegetarian, but tomorrow I will join the Butcher's Union, only because they are very nice people. I actually wear pins of PeTA, Morrissey, Pamela Anderson, Martin Luther King and Quentin Crisp!!
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    10. Gejo
      Gejo
      Taking down the poster was an act of stupidity! It would be better to ask to remove posters that are degrading for women!!
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    11. evennow
      evennow

      Really? The stupidest thing?

      The mind reels at how many mindless posts I have read here over the years. The more irreverent the better...endlessly entertaining.

      Fascism!
      Turn to the left
      Fascism!
      Turn to the right
      Oooh, Fascism!
      We are the goon squad and we're coming to town
      Beep-beep Beep-beep
      Listen to me - don't listen to me
      Talk to me - don't talk to me
      Vote with me - don't vote with me, no
      Beep-beep
      There's a brand new talk, but it's not very clear
      Oh bop
      That people from good homes are talking this year
      Oh bop, Fascism It's loud and tasteless and I've heard it before
      Oh bop
      You shout it while you're walking into the voting pole
      Oh bop, Fascism
    12. Anonymous
      Anonymous
      There is a concerted effort to shout people down when they mention Morrissey's racism by people who have made bold racist claims.

      Yes, the system is woeful but a singer promoting racism isn't an answer.
    13. Ketamine Sun
      Ketamine Sun
      Actually .....


      Did you see the thing on the news about their treatment of animals and animal welfare? Absolutely horrific. You can't help but feel that the Chinese are a subspecies."


      I understand why the media pulls that comment out of context to use as clickbait. But I find it strange that fans
      that have some idea of how strongly he feels about the subject of animal rights
      can not see/read that comment in context of the subject that he and the interviewer were discussing to see that he was referring to those people that treat animals in that barbaric and horrific manner, it could have been in any country, but the article they were discussing just happened to be about the horrific treatment of animals in China.



      ‘Armitage said Morrissey was typically and deliberately provocative throughout the interview. "I thought at the time it was a dangerous thing to say into a tape recorder. He must have known it would make waves, he's not daft," he said. "But he's provocative and theatrical, and it was one of dozens of dramatic pronouncements. I'm not an apologist for that kind of remark, and couldn't ignore it. But clearly, when it comes to animal rights and animal welfare, he's absolutely unshakable in his beliefs. In his view, if you treat an animal badly, you are less than human. I think that was his point."

      https://amp.theguardian.com/music/2010/sep/03/morrissey-china-subspecies-racism
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    14. ordinaryboy86
      ordinaryboy86

      He said it. And that’s that.
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    15. Anonymous
      Anonymous
      But it would be OK if he sang about Thatcher on the chopping block or said the IRA bombings were good..or killers like the krays or said he liked some Negro rap music that hates women and gays.

      The left, as they were are dead.
    16. Ketamine Sun
      Ketamine Sun
      Some of my best pins are black. :lbf:

      ;) sorry! couldn’t resist.

      Kidding aside, I agree with your post.

      And as Rolling Stone recently summed up his political views quite correctly with just these two words...

      ‘perplexing politics’

      which is much closer to the truth especially when compared to all these false accusations being thrown at him.
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    17. Anonymous
      Anonymous
      You are a founding member of the club.
    18. Anonymous
      Anonymous
      Are they getting to you?
    19. Anonymous
      Anonymous
      taking back my cd
    20. Anonymous
      Anonymous
      Morrissey is his very own contradiction. He hates the establishment and wants change but doesn't say how. He won't sully his hands with voting so shouts idly from the sidelines. He obsesses about chart placings and gongs. He celebrates his victories but moans about losing out.

      In short .... he is as he has always been, an arse.

      His recent endorsement really does tie his colour to the mast. It's his decision. He's already feeling the consequences. Tough.

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