Patric Doonan - raised to wait

[Tingle]

Rather than bang on about the missing Bona Drag, I'd like to ask, about ten years after the event, if anyone has got to the bottom, (ooo-er), of why Morrissey mentions Patric Doonan in the beautiful "Now My Heart is Full"?

It's topical for me because I've just got my mits on a copy of the video of "The Cockleshell Heroes" (anyone see the documentary about the Royal Marines' raid on Bordeaux last week on UK TV?).

Anyhow, Patric Doonan, I believe has a small part in the film as a 'sailor in public house'. He also had a supporting role as 'Spud' in The Blue Lamp with Dirk Bogarde. Perhaps it's just that Doonan plays a gangster/ hoodlum in 'The Blue Lamp' and "Spud - rasied to wait" wouldn't scan very well. Doonan was also in 'The Man in the White Suit'. I understand that he committed suicide in his thirties.

I'd appreciate your views/ideas. Anyone have a photograph?

PS "On this glorious occasion ... of the splendid defeat" comes from The Cockleshell Heroes, as spoken by Anthony Newley (who presented Morrissey with his Ivor Novello Award).

 

[Morrissey the 23rd]

> Rather than bang on about the missing Bona Drag, I'd like to ask, about
> ten years after the event, if anyone has got to the bottom, (ooo-er), of
> why Morrissey mentions Patric Doonan in the beautiful "Now My Heart
> is Full"?

> It's topical for me because I've just got my mits on a copy of the video
> of "The Cockleshell Heroes" (anyone see the documentary about
> the Royal Marines' raid on Bordeaux last week on UK TV?).

> Anyhow, Patric Doonan, I believe has a small part in the film as a 'sailor
> in public house'. He also had a supporting role as 'Spud' in The Blue Lamp
> with Dirk Bogarde. Perhaps it's just that Doonan plays a gangster/ hoodlum
> in 'The Blue Lamp' and "Spud - rasied to wait" wouldn't scan
> very well. Doonan was also in 'The Man in the White Suit'. I understand
> that he committed suicide in his thirties.

> I'd appreciate your views/ideas. Anyone have a photograph?

> PS "On this glorious occasion ... of the splendid defeat" comes
> from The Cockleshell Heroes, as spoken by Anthony Newley (who presented
> Morrissey with his Ivor Novello Award).

Give this man an answer. He is onto something.

 

[I dunno]

Re: Patric Doonan photo

 

[I dunno]

Re: Patric Doonan pic two

on the left.

 

[Ruffian]

> Rather than bang on about the missing Bona Drag, I'd like to ask, about
> ten years after the event, if anyone has got to the bottom, (ooo-er), of
> why Morrissey mentions Patric Doonan in the beautiful "Now My Heart
> is Full"?

Bloody hell Tingle.. Way above my head.. but we were speaking about great old films at lunch co-incidentally.. winner of our impromptu poll was 'To Kill a Mockingbird'.

Ruffian

 

[Johnny]

> Bloody hell Tingle.. Way above my head.. but we were speaking about great
> old films at lunch co-incidentally.. winner of our impromptu poll was 'To
> Kill a Mockingbird'.

> Ruffian

Good one Ruff.Also "The Blue Lamp" as mentioned and "The Ladykillers".That's the name of a film by the way.,...not your nickname

 

[Tingle]

Re: I dunno

Thanks for those pictures. Now I think of it I recall seeing that first one. The second is a bit special isn't it? Do you have a huge photo library? Is it all Moz related?

 

[Tingle]

I haven't seen 'The Blue Lamp', but from what I can gleen from the internet, there is a similarity between that film and 'Brighton Rock' because in 'Brighton Rock' I think the gangsters catch up with the hero at the horse race track and in 'The Blue Lamp' the police catch up with Dirk Bogarde at the dog track.

I think perhaps Morrissey is using 'Patric Doonan' as an example of a hoodlum, even though he uses the actor's name rather than the character. I must see 'The Blue Lamp' now!

I'm wondering though what could've pushed Doonan to suicide. Hae you seen 'Victim' also starring Bogarde? Lots of suicide in that I'm afraid.

> Give this man an answer. He is onto something.

 

[Tingle]

Re: Great old films - No Moz

Ruff my absolute favourite film is "Hannibal Brooks". Don't laugh!
I used to love it when I was a child and now I find I still love it. I was a little ashamed when I discovered it was directed by Michale Winner, but then I noticed that it was written by the Dad's Army writers Dick Clement and Ian La Frenais - so that's all right then.

> Bloody hell Tingle.. Way above my head.. but we were speaking about great
> old films at lunch co-incidentally.. winner of our impromptu poll was 'To
> Kill a Mockingbird'.

> Ruffian

 

['Radar' O'Reilly]

Re: Great old films - No Moz

> Ruff my absolute favourite film is "Hannibal Brooks". Don't
> laugh!
> I used to love it when I was a child and now I find I still love it. I was
> a little ashamed when I discovered it was directed by Michale Winner, but
> then I noticed that it was written by the Dad's Army writers Dick Clement
> and Ian La Frenais - so that's all right then.

You mean The Likely Lads and Porridge writers, Dick Clement and Ian La Frenais, not Dads Army.

I wonder what Dads Army would have been like if they had written it ?

Hodges to Mainwaring - Put that light out
Mainwaring - Naff off, who's sleeping with your old lady while you're on night duty ?

hahaha

 

['Radar' O'Reilly]

I think you have answered your own question in here somewhere.

I'd forgotten about 'The man in the white suit', I taped it of Channel 4 years ago when they did the Alec Guiness season of films every Saturday. I've still got it on tape somewhere. It's more of a comedy really, with some social commentary in there.

> Rather than bang on about the missing Bona Drag, I'd like to ask, about
> ten years after the event, if anyone has got to the bottom, (ooo-er), of
> why Morrissey mentions Patric Doonan in the beautiful "Now My Heart
> is Full"?

> It's topical for me because I've just got my mits on a copy of the video
> of "The Cockleshell Heroes" (anyone see the documentary about
> the Royal Marines' raid on Bordeaux last week on UK TV?).

> Anyhow, Patric Doonan, I believe has a small part in the film as a 'sailor
> in public house'. He also had a supporting role as 'Spud' in The Blue Lamp
> with Dirk Bogarde. Perhaps it's just that Doonan plays a gangster/ hoodlum
> in 'The Blue Lamp' and "Spud - rasied to wait" wouldn't scan
> very well. Doonan was also in 'The Man in the White Suit'. I understand
> that he committed suicide in his thirties.

> I'd appreciate your views/ideas. Anyone have a photograph?

> PS "On this glorious occasion ... of the splendid defeat" comes
> from The Cockleshell Heroes, as spoken by Anthony Newley (who presented
> Morrissey with his Ivor Novello Award).

 

[Tingle]

Re: Great old films - No Moz

> You mean The Likely Lads and Porridge writers, Dick Clement and Ian La
> Frenais, not Dads Army.

> I wonder what Dads Army would have been like if they had written it ?

> Hodges to Mainwaring - Put that light out
> Mainwaring - Naff off, who's sleeping with your old lady while you're on
> night duty ?

> hahaha

Oh, thanks Radar! That was Perry & Croft who wrote Dad's Army. La Frenais and Clement wrote 'Shine on Harvey Moon' and the Likely Lads too. More favourites!

 

[Ah-ha!]

I've seen "victim" - it also features a line from a "Pretty Girls Make Graves", the barber character tells Bogarde's character: "Nature played this trick on me".

> I haven't seen 'The Blue Lamp', but from what I can gleen from the
> internet, there is a similarity between that film and 'Brighton Rock'
> because in 'Brighton Rock' I think the gangsters catch up with the hero at
> the horse race track and in 'The Blue Lamp' the police catch up with Dirk
> Bogarde at the dog track.

> I think perhaps Morrissey is using 'Patric Doonan' as an example of a
> hoodlum, even though he uses the actor's name rather than the character. I
> must see 'The Blue Lamp' now!

> I'm wondering though what could've pushed Doonan to suicide. Hae you seen
> 'Victim' also starring Bogarde? Lots of suicide in that I'm afraid.

 

[Tingle]

Re: Well spotted! - I didn't identify that.

 

[Tingle]

> I think you have answered your own question in here somewhere.
You think it's referring to Doonan as a thug in "The Blue Lamp"?
(shades of 'killed a policeman when he was thirteen')

> I'd forgotten about 'The man in the white suit', I taped it of Channel 4
> years ago when they did the Alec Guiness season of films every Saturday.
> I've still got it on tape somewhere. It's more of a comedy really, with
> some social commentary in there.

 

[Ruffian]

Re: Great old films - No Moz

> Oh, thanks Radar! That was Perry & Croft who wrote Dad's Army. La
> Frenais and Clement wrote 'Shine on Harvey Moon' and the Likely Lads too.
> More favourites!

Tingle.. you've been Busted by Radar!! You can't beat that razor sharp lad!! he's done me a few times on trivial mistakes. Still, i have Norfolk coast in the car agian so he should let me off this time.

Ruffian

 

[Benton]

Re: Great old films - No Moz

> Oh, thanks Radar! That was Perry & Croft who wrote Dad's Army. La
> Frenais and Clement wrote 'Shine on Harvey Moon' and the Likely Lads too.
> More favourites!

It was Lawrence Marks and Maurice Gran who wrote "Shine on Harvey Moon". Very good though, from what I remember.

 

[Bluenose]

Don't know if you've seen this, Tingle.

http://www.imdb.com/name/nm0233247/

 

[PefectlyWretched]

I think Doonan gassed himself. Strangely, his wife is also listed as having died the same year he did. Double suicide? Perhaps it's a slight reference to Marr and Morrissey's songwriting partnership? The Pretty Girls make Pretty Graves reference seems to point to this....