Off-topic discussion thread / moved as clogging other threads

[nicky wire's legs]

"One woman alleges that Brand raped her against a wall in his Los Angeles home. She was treated at a rape crisis centre on the same day, according to medical records. Text messages show that in the hours after leaving his house, she told Brand that she had been scared by him and felt taken advantage of, adding: “When a girl says NO it means no.” Brand replied saying he was “very sorry”.

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Brand practically acknowledged that he raped her, and "apologised" for it, but go off on one about how he is being cancelled.

notice how she says how scary he is when "that glaze look comes over you" (over his eyes, is what i imagine she meant). she did not say, "it was scary when you forced yourself on me." she did not say, "it was scary when you overpowered me and forced me against a wall against my will." no, she makes a comment about his eyes. well, sorry toots, but you cant be raped by a persons eyes. A lot of times it's what the person does not say that is the real evidence.

 

[nicky wire's legs]

I know of someone who we all know of, someone influential in their circle and plays the ‘honesty is the best policy because I’m a good person’ card while being entirely different behind closed doors. An absolute horror and scumbag and if my daughters were ever to get close to them, I’d cast them away to a remote island with a one way ticket while I searched for them and stitched their ‘possessions’ to their pride and ego.

Don’t ask me who it is because I won’t tell you, this isn’t a public flogging but you know if you know and those close know *exactly* what a horrible bastard they are while persistently trying to establish artistic ground with them.

that's not exactly novel human behaviour, but thanks for the blog post

 

[gashonthenail]

The pitiful charge and conviction rate is because the standard of evidence required to prove rape is incredibly high and it's simply impossible for many cases to meet that standard due to factors such as time elapsing, lack of medical evidence and DNA (if the person hasn't accessed a SARC), lack of corroborating statements, reluctance of the complainant to testify and re-live it in court, etc - with the result being that the whole thing devolves into he said/she said and you can't base a charge or convict on that basis.

To imply that people who make allegations are just moaning about "bad sex" though, that's hideous rape-apologist nonsense. People who make allegations of rape know how severely the odds are stacked against them, and to even get a case to court takes months of work.

To prove a charge of rape is the same as any other criminal charge - beyond reasonable doubt. It's not higher for rape.
Juries have a high conviction rate when there is clear evidence of non-consent. Where juries struggle to convict is when both parties know each other, they have a social relationship, even if it is just for a short time in a one night stand, they have sex, and then the next day one of the parties says I didn't consent. Medical evidence isn't the issue because both parties agree that sexual intercourse took place. Juries then struggle to clarify was consent given or not given. Often both parties were drunk or on drugs at the time. Is it any wonder juries struggle to reach a verdict? Doing away with juries and having a judge trial will only lead to miscarriages of justice, and men winning millions from the taxpayer for wrongful conviction upon appeal.

 

[nicky wire's legs]

Strange that you criticise others for being "unintellectual", "dunces" due to their take on this topic but when you have a chance to contribute your own views, you resort to puerile, Baz-level one-liners and guff like this.

im sorry, it's totally unexpectable of me

 

[nicky wire's legs]

haha i had fun saying that!

 

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When Brand complained that Morrissey said ‘what about a coffin’……. I thought, ‘so he knows he’s a shithead then’….. why did he continue to mingle with him? Why M?

 

[gashonthenail]

When Brand complained that Morrissey said ‘what about a coffin’……. I thought, ‘so he knows he’s a shithead then’….. why did he continue to mingle with him? Why M?

Maybe because he's fun? He has a large vocabulary. Always welcome in a man.

 

[Redacted]

When Brand complained that Morrissey said ‘what about a coffin’……. I thought, ‘so he knows he’s a shithead then’….. why did he continue to mingle with him? Why M?

My husband and I were talking about this last night and he said that there's a video of Morrissey and Brand talking, I think the interview one? And Morrissey says to Brand that everyone knows Brand will shag anything flopping around on the ground and wow, that takes on a whole new meaning now. I wonder what Morrissey knows if all these other people know.

 

[Gregor Samsa]

I’m not saying Brand is guilty or not guilty (although it’s looking rather grim for him!), but Gash REALLY wants him to be innocent. My god, take care of your back! That amount of bending over backwards will confine you to a wheelchair.

 

[🐈🐈🐈]

Maybe because he's fun? He has a large vocabulary. Always welcome in a man.

So if someone is fun and can string three fancy words together in a sentence, we can disregard the morals of an alley cat with haste, can we?

 

[gashonthenail]

I’m not saying Brand is guilty or not guilty (although it’s looking rather grim for him!), but Gash REALLY wants him to be innocent. My god, take care of your back! That amount of bending over backwards will confine you to a wheelchair.

Because I can see that it's a hit job. People can see through bull shit like this. The whole thing is because of his political views.

 

[Gregor Samsa]

Because I can see that it's a hit job. People can see through bull shit like this. The whole thing is because of his political views.

Saying things like this makes you look like a loon, like a conspiracy theorist. Don’t do that. Let’s just wait and see what the judge and the jury decide.

 

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When Alex Jones comes out to defend you, you know you are on the right side of things. Maybe this will get posted to Morrissey Central.
I actually didn't know that if women threw themselves at a man he couldn't possibly be a rapist, thanks for clearing that up Alex Jones.
I don't really like how the dots are connecting here.

 

[sea salt]

We've been lied to so much by mainstream media, institutions, the establishment… one almost automatically assumes that any celeb who is openly ANTI said establishment is being "stitched up" when accusations are made against them. It's too easy.

But not everyone whose political opinions one happens to agree with is necessarily a decent person.

 

[gashonthenail]

Saying things like this makes you look like a loon, like a conspiracy theorist. Don’t do that. Let’s just wait and see what the judge and the jury decide.

If any of these allegations ever get to court. And isn't that the point? Surely Channel 4 and The Sunday Times should have taken these allegations to the police? But this is all about smearing Brand and destroying his career. Mud sticks.

 

[Luxo]

Because I can see that it's a hit job. People can see through bull shit like this. The whole thing is because of his political views.

Do you also believe that Jimmy Savile was innocent and it was a hit job, as he was never charged with a crime? Was he persecuted by liberal elites because he was an establishment Tory who was chummy with Thatcher and the then Prince Charles?

Unlike you, my hatred of paedos and rapists doesn't discriminate. I don't have my favourite paedophiles and rapists, unlike you, again. If you're a nonce or a rapist, I couldn't give a shit what your political views are. You should burn either way.

 

[🐈🐈🐈]

When Alex Jones comes out to defend you, you know you are on the right side of things. Maybe this will get posted to Morrissey Central.
I actually didn't know that if women threw themselves at a man he couldn't possibly be a rapist, thanks for clearing that up Alex Jones.
I don't really like how the dots are connecting here.

It won’t go on M Central because M himself knows. M himself was raised by two women and I firmly believe he has a deep and loving respect for women, not to mention his sister who has kept him in check and he adores. This has been more than evident throughout the years, listen to the M and Janice Long interviews, pure respect and harmony.

M knows where the line is drawn and sexual abuse of any kind he won’t tolerate, but as I said in a previous post, he tends to be a bit too needy for publicity with famous people.

M has his political beliefs and ideas, but that doesn’t mean he condones sexual abuse or treating women like disposable cutlery.

 

[gashonthenail]

Do you also believe that Jimmy Savile was innocent and it was a hit job, as he was never charged with a crime?

Unlike you, my hatred of paedos and rapists doesn't discriminate. I don't have my favourite paedophiles and rapists, unlike you, again. If you're a nonce or a rapist, I couldn't give a shit what your political views are. You should burn either way.

Wtf does Jimmy Saville have to do with this? And wasn't that why he was brought up in the documentary? Guilt by association.
You sound like you would like to push the button on the electric chair. Nice.

 

[Redacted]

It won’t go on M Central because M himself knows. M himself was raised by two women and I firmly believe he has a deep and loving respect for women, not to mention his sister who has kept him in check and he adores.

M knows where the line is drawn and sexual abuse of any kind he won’t tolerate, but as I said in a previous post, he tends to be a bit too needy for publicity with famous people.

I think his remarks about Spacey's victim and Weinstein's victims were concerning. I know Spacey was found innocent, but verdicts are not always correct, and we kind of know someone who worked on House of Cards, which is why I have been so adamant about Spacey.

 

[gashonthenail]

It won’t go on M Central because M himself knows. M himself was raised by two women and I firmly believe he has a deep and loving respect for women, not to mention his sister who has kept him in check and he adores.

M knows where the line is drawn and sexual abuse of any kind he won’t tolerate, but as I said in a previous post, he tends to be a bit too needy for publicity with famous people.

If Oscar Wilde were alive today he would be accused of rape and sexual assault. Many of the boys he had sex with were under-age. And with Oscar being a rich playwright, and the boys being poor and uneducated, his actions would almost certainly be described as 'grooming' too.
Moz would empathise with Brand this morning I reckon on a merely human level. But all famous people will be cautious from now on about what they say. And that is the point.