Off-topic discussion thread / moved as clogging other threads

[gashonthenail]

Yeah, promiscuity isn't the same as sexual assault, and your attempt to conflate the two is worrying. Lots of people have promiscuous, "bad" sex without it resulting in rape - it certainly doesn't go with the territory as you say, unless you yourself have been accused of sexual assault. To suggest that accusations of rape is just bad sex is horrifying and disgusting, and says a lot about you.

I didn't say that. I said that most people who have been promiscuous have had 'bad sex'. Again, the reason many charges are rejected by juries, and juries of women are far more likely to not convict, is because most charges simply relate to bad sex. It's an occupational hazard for most professional footballers these days to be accused of rape.

 

[gashonthenail]

“bad sex” isn’t the same as sexual assault or rape.

I was quoting Germaine Greer. I would agree with her though. No one is equating the two morally. It's simply an explanation for why so few charges come to court and so few charges are upheld in court. And again, female juries are often most likely to throw out charges of rape. It's not because of the patriarchy. It's because women are smart. It's because when it comes to the issue of consent, especially when you add drink and drugs into the equation, consent can become an elusive thing to prove or disprove.

 

[Luxo]

I didn't say that. I said that most people who have been promiscuous have had 'bad sex'. Again, the reason many charges are rejected by juries, and juries of women are far more likely to not convict, is because most charges simply relate to bad sex. It's an occupational hazard for most professional footballers these days to be accused of rape.

Actually, you said "everyone" who has had promiscuous sex has had bad sex, which is a very absolute statement to make, and simply isn't true. Lots of people have perfectly pleasant casual sex every day, without it being bad or resulting in an accusation of rape or sexual assault.

 

[nicky wire's legs]

Actually, you said "everyone" who has had promiscuous sex has had bad sex, which is a very absolute statement to make, and simply isn't true. Lots of people have perfectly pleasant casual sex every day, without it being bad or resulting in an accusation of rape or sexual assault.

that proves absolutely nothing, dunce

 

[gashonthenail]

Actually, you said "everyone" who has had promiscuous sex has had bad sex, which is a very absolute statement to make, and simply isn't true. Lots of people have perfectly pleasant casual sex every day, without it being bad or resulting in an accusation of rape or sexual assault.

Please stop misquoting me. Most people I know would know what it means to have had bad sex at least once in their life. Probably most marriages
have had bad sex at least once. I'm not saying that most people have then faced sexual assault or rape charges after. Germaine Greer wasn't saying, and I'm not saying, that bad sex = rape. She was saying, as I would, that rape and sexual assault allegations often relate to bad sex. Sex is a messy business, especially if you add in drugs and alcohol, or money and fame.

 

[Light Housework]

Please stop misquoting me. Most people I know would know what it means to have had bad sex at least once in their life. Probably most marriages
have had bad sex at least once. I'm not saying that most people have then faced sexual assault or rape charges after. Germaine Greer wasn't saying, and I'm not saying, that bad sex = rape. She was saying, as I would, that rape and sexual assault allegations often relate to bad sex. Sex is a messy business, especially if you add in drugs and alcohol, or money and fame.

Murky, you’re saying, sex is.

 

[Light Housework]

It’s not murky for everyone.

 

[gashonthenail]

It’s not murky for everyone.

It is for the average jury. So much so that Scotland has been discussing having rape trials without a jury.

Blog | Why we support single judge trials

Here’s why we support the pilot scheme and how we think it could help survivors.

www.rapecrisisscotland.org.uk

 

[nicky wire's legs]

texting "no means no" to someone sounds to me like she's telling him that for reference in their future relations, like "learn that for next time." the implication of which is of course that there would be a next time. which would be out of the question if you actually had been raped.

im trying to think of the most likely scenario that would elicit a text conversation about it later, where the female is trying to impart a lesson to russell brand about no meaning no. i think it would go like this: she doesnt feel like sex but russell does. she tells him no. he's a lil pushy trying to get her into it. finally she relents and they do the nasty. next day she's a little miffed thinking she might have to go for a test, so she rebukes him for not listening to her the first time and successfully coaxing her into it because now she might have to go for a stupid test. is a situation like that still rape?

 

[nicky wire's legs]

"One woman alleges that Brand raped her against a wall in his Los Angeles home. She was treated at a rape crisis centre on the same day, according to medical records. Text messages show that in the hours after leaving his house, she told Brand that she had been scared by him and felt taken advantage of, adding: “When a girl says NO it means no.” Brand replied saying he was “very sorry”.

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Brand practically acknowledged that he raped her, and "apologised" for it, but go off on one about how he is being cancelled.

"unexpectable" LOL "i pry myself on being safe" LOL what a scholar!!

 

[Luxo]

that proves absolutely nothing, dunce

I wasn't seeking to prove anything, you daft balloon. Jesus wept.

 

[Luxo]

Please stop misquoting me. Most people I know would know what it means to have had bad sex at least once in their life. Probably most marriages
have had bad sex at least once. I'm not saying that most people have then faced sexual assault or rape charges after. Germaine Greer wasn't saying, and I'm not saying, that bad sex = rape. She was saying, as I would, that rape and sexual assault allegations often relate to bad sex. Sex is a messy business, especially if you add in drugs and alcohol, or money and fame.

You aren't being misquoted - they are your own words.

 

[nicky wire's legs]

I wasn't seeking to prove anything, you daft balloon. Jesus wept.

i bet you're a big ungainly clod like your avatar and taking the side of victims is your one talent

 

[Luxo]

"unexpectable" LOL "i pry myself on being safe" LOL what a scholar!!

It's a woman who was just raped, and you're pulling her up on her spelling.

What a sickening little apologist for rape you are.

 

[Amy]

I didn't say that. I said that most people who have been promiscuous have had 'bad sex'. Again, the reason many charges are rejected by juries, and juries of women are far more likely to not convict, is because most charges simply relate to bad sex. It's an occupational hazard for most professional footballers these days to be accused of rape.

The pitiful charge and conviction rate is because the standard of evidence required to prove rape is incredibly high and it's simply impossible for many cases to meet that standard due to factors such as time elapsing, lack of medical evidence and DNA (if the person hasn't accessed a SARC), lack of corroborating statements, reluctance of the complainant to testify and re-live it in court, etc - with the result being that the whole thing devolves into he said/she said and you can't base a charge or convict on that basis.

To imply that people who make allegations are just moaning about "bad sex" though, that's hideous rape-apologist nonsense. People who make allegations of rape know how severely the odds are stacked against them, and to even get a case to court takes months of work.

 

[nicky wire's legs]

It's a woman who was just raped, and you're pulling her up on her spelling.

What a sickening little apologist for rape you are.

except that she likely wasnt (see my little sketch of the likely scenario above)

 

[nicky wire's legs]

and come on, "unexpectable" is f***ing funny

she's probably just mad that russell brand didnt wanna make an honest woman of her cause she TOO DUMM

 

[Luxo]

The pitiful charge and conviction rate is because the standard of evidence required to prove rape is incredibly high and it's simply impossible for many cases to meet that standard due to factors such as time elapsing, lack of medical evidence and DNA (if the person hasn't accessed a SARC), lack of corroborating statements, reluctance of the complainant to testify and re-live it in court, etc - with the result being that the whole thing devolves into he said/she said and you can't base a charge or convict on that basis.

To imply that people who make allegations are just moaning about "bad sex" though, that's hideous rape-apologist nonsense. People who make allegations of rape know how severely the odds are stacked against them, and to even get a case to court takes months of work.

Unfortunately, apologising for rapists is standard behaviour for a few people on this website. I'm not surprised at all. Fashonthenail has made a habit of it over the years.

 

[nicky wire's legs]

imagine someone saying "unexpectable" instead of "unacceptable" in an indignant, self-righteous voice

 

[🐈🐈🐈]

I know of someone who we all know of, someone influential in their circle and plays the ‘honesty is the best policy because I’m a good person’ card while being entirely different behind closed doors. An absolute horror and scumbag and if my daughters were ever to get close to them, I’d cast them away to a remote island with a one way ticket while I searched for them and stitched their ‘possessions’ to their pride and ego.

Don’t ask me who it is because I won’t tell you, this isn’t a public flogging but you know if you know and those close know *exactly* what a horrible bastard they are while persistently trying to establish artistic ground with them.