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the ‘issues’ you raise are delusional in nature, and only seem problematic to you.
fire your secretary and seek professional help.
Have a good day, BarmyBoy.
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the ‘issues’ you raise are delusional in nature, and only seem problematic to you.
fire your secretary and seek professional help.
Have a good day, BarmyBoy.
Lucifer Sam
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Who am I to argue with the Michelin Guide @rifke, but I daresay beauty must balance the generic and the extreme, otherwise the freakish would be beautiful. "Beauty walks a razor's edge," as Dylan sang. Too far to the extreme, and the looks are harsh; too far with the generic and the looks are boring. Guess jeans might not have the cachet they once enjoyed, but the photo sessions Amber Heard and Ellen von Unwerth did for Guess jeans do, in fact, approach "the pinnacle of hotness."
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oh dear me, not at all! she looks like a middle aged chain smoking bar whore. the planes of her face are ALL WRONG!!! now, laetitia casta or bridget hall for guess jeans, hell yes.Who am I to argue with the Michelin Guide @rifke, but I daresay beauty must balance the generic and the extreme, otherwise the freakish would be beautiful. "Beauty walks a razor's edge," as Dylan sang. Too far to the extreme, and the looks are harsh; too far with the generic and the looks are boring. Guess jeans might not have the cachet they once enjoyed, but the photo sessions Amber Heard and Ellen von Unwerth did for Guess jeans do, in fact, approach "the pinnacle of hotness."
amber heard does not even come close.
but of course we're not talking about laetitia casta and bridget hall, we're talking about ruth wilson. as for beauty walking a razor's edge, everyone knows that, but the razors edge is between beauty and ugliness. beauty is far closer to ugliness than it is prettiness, in fact, prettiness undermines beauty. so that which is too pretty (amber heard, natalie portman, etc) can never be beautiful. there is a saying "no woman can ever be beautiful without also being a little ugly" and that is true, which is why it's only right that ruth wilson has in it her to look dour and severe. that's that razors edge we're talking about.
beauty also has to do with how long it takes the eye to look something over: the longer it takes the eye to look something over (which results in that sense that you cant take it in all at once and have to keep looking), the more beautiful we find it, which is the answer for extremity in beauty. the eye likes a challenge, so that which presents no challenge, or is too immediately dazzling (amber heard in both cases), is often dismissed by the eye too quickly. therefore, i maintain that ruth wilson, who presents more of a challenge with her quirky features, is again, much more beautiful than amber heard, who presents no challenge to the eye, could ever be.
Lucifer Sam
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Oof. Those Laetitia Casta supermodel types do zilch for me. They're empty, cold, and boring; they're just sieves. They contain nothing. Back in the 90s, when Guess jeans were still the rage, you had all these statuesque supermodels sauntering around as if they owned the place, like Linda Evangelista and Cindy Crawford and Naomi Campbell. But the porn star Jenna Jameson was more beautiful than those freaks of perfection, precisely because beauty has to contain some amount of imperfection (on which we agree). It can't be too haughty. It has to contain an element of tawdriness and sleaze, and Jenna Jameson was the luscious bottle-blonde hair-metal girl from the Nevada trailer park. Amber Heard has this quality, too. She's from Texas. Beauty is what gets the girl out of the fly-over state and into Moz Angeles, even if the fly-over state never quite leaves the girl. Perhaps this is a cultural, American thing. But I think it's analogous to the way some gay (and, um, humasexual) British men like Edward Carpenter and Morrissey had a predilection for coarse, strapping youths from the working class. Carpenter liked coal miners; Morrissey likes boxers and toughs. Amber Heard actually isn't perfect or generic. She's a little long in the face. If nature had tweaked things by just a degree or two, her bullies in high school might've given her the nickname Horsey.
Lucifer Sam
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The music is wrong, though. It should be something like rockabilly or ZZ Top (who are also from Texas).
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oy, where to begin. if i didnt know any better i'd think you were trolling. and since i know you have a good sense of humour--since, after all, you did rightly say that my interjections in wild turkeys dumb thread were funny--im tempted to think you were only joking when you suggested that not only might jenna jameson be beautiful, but that she might actually be more beautiful than the supers. because that IS funny!! (HUH?!?! she doesnt even have bone structure?!?!?!)
okay, FIRST of all!! laetitia casta is not a "type". she does not and never has epitomized the supermodel "type". she has always been divergent from whatever era of supermodel (spanning from the 90s grunge era to the brazillian invasion of the late nighties, early 2000's) she found herself in, being shorter and more voluptuous than other models (causing someone to remark once that on the catwalk--a type of work she didnt do a lot of--she looked like an alien species next to the other girls). and as far as empty, cold and boring--maybe if you're talking about claudia schiffer or rebecca romijn, then sure. but laetitia casta is the complete opposite of empty, cold, and boring: she is the dictionary definition of vibrant, warm, earthy and sensual. she is also quite idiosyncatic, with a very unique headshape/hairline and quirky little ears and more angles than a geometry class, and im sorry but if you dont experience some sort of primitive yearning when looking at the below picture of her, then perhaps it is is you who are empty and cold!!
secondly beauty does NOT have to contain some imperfection. beauty CAN contain imperfection or it cannot. the thing about beauty is that it refuses all conditions you try to place on it. the important point is that beauty can dwell with imperfection, and be the more interesting, appealing or endearing for it, without that imperfection diminishing the beauty (while it would absolutely diminish the appeal of someone who is merely pretty). but imperfection is absolutely not a condition of beauty. because you have to think: what is meant by imperfection? well, on paper, a big nose might be seen as imperfect. okay, so natalia vodianova has a big nose. but it's a beautiful nose and it perfectly suits her face. if she had a smaller nose it would look disproportionate. she wouldnt be as beautiful. so is the size of her nose really imperfect? however if you DO want what one might call imperfection if one were so inclined, you need not look to porn stars, but instead look to the early 2000's which, with the dutch invasion, was the jolie laide era of the supermodel (see: roos von bosstraeten, elise crombez, an oost, querelle jansen, hannelore knuts, et al)
third, YES, beauty can be haughty, and it is. it does NOT have to contain tawdriness and sleaze, where on earth did you get that?!?! like god, beauty does not condescend or stoop to our level (what is this current day obsession with things being readily understood and accessible to the masses, like god having to be your "homey"??). like god, like art, like everything of value, it expects you to rise to it's level and, in return, you will be changed and enriched for having been able to do so. it's meant to inspire reverence and awe, it should be nutritive to the soul, it should fill you with homesickness for the realm of ideal forms, and should very much leave you with the sense that you've witnessed something divine, otherwise what is the point of it? it is nothing less than a rope slung between (the aforementioned) primitive yearning and idealistic aspirations,and to quote emerson: 'Things are pretty, graceful, rich, elegant, handsome, but, until they speak to the imagination, not yet beautiful.' beauty must speak to the imagination. when i see a picture of laetitia casta i think of idyllic afternoons in pastoral settings, with the sun pouring down like honey, and streams lined with wildflowers, and creme fraiche and strawberries and handsome lusty tom jones type farmboys. even if i were to only ever see her in tawdry, sleazy environs, i would still have this vision of her in my head. whereas if something makes you think of tawdriness and sleaze, it's probably not beautiful.
fourth, why are you talking about carpenters and what moz gets off on? what does that have to do with beauty???
fifth, there's nothing wrong with a horse face. some of the most beautiful people in the world--gisele, jerry hall, carre otis--have horse faces.
now i recommend you lock yourself in your house and sit and stare at a picture of elise crombez or karen elson and dont stop until you've had an epiphany that has radically reshaped your opinion. it will happen and it will alter everything when it does. this is how I know what beauty is because i have HAD such a revelation, and i promise you, it would not happen if you sat there staring at a picture of jenna jameson or amber heard. you would get precisely NOWHERE staring at a picture of jenna jameson or amber heard.
let me know if you have any further questions!!
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in fact, it was this very picture of karen elson that forever revolutionized my understanding of beauty, so that i could not now even think of entertaining the idea that jenna jameson might even approach being beautiful
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I appreciate your taking me seriously, rifke. (Safari tried to autocorrect your user name to “rifle”). Some of my opinions are eccentric, and other users on occasion have suspected me of being a troll or a so-called “edgelord.” Gracias for not doing that. I do think Jenna Jameson was beautiful in her glam-trash youth, and I do think beauty can (and perhaps should) contain an element of sleaze, especially if we are talking about “the pinnacle of hotness.” Unfortunately I am typing on a device at the moment and cannot give your very thoughtful post the response it deserves. I will be back at my computer in a couple of days. But I mentioned Morrissey and Carpenter because they were aesthetes and I think they really did find beauty in a tawdry sort of fellow, the low-rent scruff from the slums and all that. “Pasolini is me.” I’m writing about Morrissey in the past tense, as if he’s deceased (heaven forbid), but you take my meaning. You seem to be a bit of a cinéaste. I wonder if you have seen one of my favorite films, Love & Death on Long Island. “If one must have a theme, Henry, I suppose it would be: the discovery of beauty where no one ever thought of looking for it.”
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Keep sniffing my pheremones...usual loser trying to bask in my reflected glory...you have nothing to say but keep saying it over and over again...why?the ‘issues’ you raise are delusional in nature, and only seem problematic to you.
fire your secretary and seek professional help.
Have a good day, BarmyBoy.
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oh dave, he likes to say im just trying to be edgy too. he's a sad little man, dont worry about him.
no, ive not seen that film! sadly i dont really have anything watch movies on these days, otherwise i would watch it!
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thank you, bun bun, i needed that! (i got my dna test results back and not only am i a whopping 29% scottish but im only 18% germanic!!! i was SO sure i would be AT LEAST 89% austrian!!Rifke is my queen!
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I thought Aubrey was a dame? Do ya'll suppose that's really him in his picture?
God, I must be brilliant to be able to have all these sock puppets with different personalities and knowledge sets!
God, I must be brilliant to be able to have all these sock puppets with different personalities and knowledge sets!
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I like it, except for the 'bacon'. He's Elfis and I'm the shoe fairy.
Light Housework
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I bought a pair of shoes for a panhandler today. He said he had to wear cleats to keep from falling, and I knew that my favourite shoes would be better for him. What started it was that I went to try on some shoes today, and I ended up not liking them, so I was heading home, but I had that adrenaline going to buy shoes, so I found someone else to buy them for, like the ones I have, that are my favourites. I asked him what size he was, and then asked him if he'd wait for a half hour while I went to get them. He said yes, so I went and got him a pair.
