Notre Dame, rewrite

I've been looking back at his so called "controversial" post-Smiths output and concluded that Notre Dame is the only lyric I wouldn't even attempt to defend.

It's the first time that the combination of a right-wing world view, conspiracy theory and clearly implied racism - evident for several years in interviews - has indisputably manifested itself in an actual song lyric.

I believe that the combination of the death of his mother - who had she heard Notre Dame would surely have had some harsh words for him - and his effective exclusion from the music industry (other than touring) has resulted in him going down a conspiracy rabbit warren never to return. With Notre Dame, on the back of Bonfire of Teenagers, his career as a popular mainstream artist is absolutely irrecoverable. With Notre Dame it is impossible in my opinion to argue that the lyric is anything other than M expressing his own view that there has been a government sponsored conspiracy to cover up the cause of the Notre Dame fire and that France, indeed Western societies are, under attack from malign outside forces. It is not too much of a stretch to infer than Islam is responsible. Hot on the trail of the Bonfire of Teenagers lyrics, there is no other reading, also taking into consideration alt-right conspiracy theories that would appear to be the basis for the song.

I would be interested in anyone's views about my take on this, in particular that other earlier 'controversial' songs were all quite reasonably defensible against accusations of racism or right-wingness, but that Notre Dame represents a significant escalation in seriousness which now renders a record deal with the sort of major label he hankers after completely impossible.

So here's the charge list and why all but ND were defensible.

Bengali in Platforms (1988). A bit clumsy perhaps, crass even, but M had long explored the theme of 'belonging', isolation and alienation. As such there was continuity of themes popular to be found within his earlier writing with The Smiths. The imagery within the lyric suggests the song was possibly set in the 1970s, so a generation prior to its writing. As such, the song could be argued to reflect British societal values of the time, shifting the song from necessarily reflecting M's world view.

Asian Rut (1991). Aside from the title itself which could be considered flippant there was nothing essentially racist or offensive about this bleak tale of a racist attack. Indeed the musical backing is sombre and the lyric sympathetic towards the victim.

National Front Disco (1992). The "England for the English" refrain raised eyebrows but the racist protagonist Davy is portrayed as a misguided loser. The refrain could easily be justified as flowing from the mouth of Davy himself, so with Morrissey speaking in the voice of Davy or even as a 'flawed narrator' rather than expressing his own views. On the face of it, less a racist song than an anti-racist one comsisering the song purely on its own terms.

This Is Not Your Country (1997). A song exploring national identity and political / military occupation, this song side-stepped very much criticism due to its B-side status and M appearing to side with the ‘occupied’ ‘underdog’ (Ireland) against British 'occupation'. As such a song which would be sympathetically viewed by the British left.

Israel (2017). Not a lyric which would please the sort of liberal, leftie, Smiths fan base, however expressing warmth towards the people of Israel is not in itself offensive in any sense. Also, the lyric is on the face of it quite careful not to overtly mention the Israeli government, it’s miitary activity in Palestine or pit it against its enemies other than in heavily nuanced language. As such, though this lyric didn't really speak to his historic fanbase, it didn't render him unpublishable.

I Am Not A Dog on a Chain (2020). Not a song which addresses matters of race or is right-wing per se, it does however powerfully warn against conformity and the apparatus of society such as the press, with such vigour and aggression that I am of the view that this lyric is an important staging post in his journey towards writing something as batshit and artless as Notre Dame.

Bonfire of Teenagers (2021). For me this is a pretty artless and offensive song, however there are multiple mitigations when compared to Notre Dame. M was singing about an atrocity in his home city and there were some legitimate points made in my opinion about politicians and the British middle class liberal intelligensia ducking the issues raised by this bombing, taking the easy route out by emphasizing solidarity rather any outrage or showing any particular interest in confronting the developing issue of Islamic terrorism in the UK . However I do believe it was rather lazy and misleading of M to create the refrain of "go easy on the killer". After all the killer was killed in the explosion along with his tragic victims. The song also fails to deal with the issue constructively (although this is not necessarily M’s aim or responsibility) however the lyric is in my opinion insensitive to the victims.

Views, observations, comments anyone?
I think you've pretty much nailed it, here. "Notre Dame" is, as you say, the first time that his worldview of the last 5-6 years, after the Manchester attack, has fully manifested itself in a song lyric. And it's going to render him absolutely untouchable in the eyes of the industry. Which kind of breaks my heart.
 
I still can't believe it. Did Joe Chiccarelli mix the vocals of "Notre Dame" and say to Morrissey: "This is really fantastic, you've never been better?"
 
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Personally I have not been upset about the lyrics of Notre Dame.
Churches, especially Catholic ones, have been getting burned down in France at an alarming rate over the last few years.

This is not a conspiracy theory but facts.

I agree it will hinder any chance he has of a recording contract but I already think the damage has already been done on that front.
 
I feel so deeply for M. He is deeply, deeply misunderstood, and an intensely shy person who wrote a song in tribute to Quasimodo - a fictional character whose story arc he finds extremely compelling and somehow relatable to facets of his own life, and is now being called a conspiracy theorist.

Cheer up, M. I am forever in your corner.

OBC
 
I still can't believe it. Did Joe Chiccarelli mix the vocals of "Notre Dame" and say to Morrissey: "This is really fantastic, you've never been better?"

I don’t see why not. His vocals have been sounding great these past years.
 
I've been looking back at his so called "controversial" post-Smiths output and concluded that Notre Dame is the only lyric I wouldn't even attempt to defend.

It's the first time that the combination of a right-wing world view, conspiracy theory and clearly implied racism - evident for several years in interviews - has indisputably manifested itself in an actual song lyric.

I believe that the combination of the death of his mother - who had she heard Notre Dame would surely have had some harsh words for him - and his effective exclusion from the music industry (other than touring) has resulted in him going down a conspiracy rabbit warren never to return. With Notre Dame, on the back of Bonfire of Teenagers, his career as a popular mainstream artist is absolutely irrecoverable. With Notre Dame it is impossible in my opinion to argue that the lyric is anything other than M expressing his own view that there has been a government sponsored conspiracy to cover up the cause of the Notre Dame fire and that France, indeed Western societies are, under attack from malign outside forces. It is not too much of a stretch to infer than Islam is responsible. Hot on the trail of the Bonfire of Teenagers lyrics, there is no other reading, also taking into consideration alt-right conspiracy theories that would appear to be the basis for the song.

I would be interested in anyone's views about my take on this, in particular that other earlier 'controversial' songs were all quite reasonably defensible against accusations of racism or right-wingness, but that Notre Dame represents a significant escalation in seriousness which now renders a record deal with the sort of major label he hankers after completely impossible.

So here's the charge list and why all but ND were defensible.

Bengali in Platforms (1988). A bit clumsy perhaps, crass even, but M had long explored the theme of 'belonging', isolation and alienation. As such there was continuity of themes popular to be found within his earlier writing with The Smiths. The imagery within the lyric suggests the song was possibly set in the 1970s, so a generation prior to its writing. As such, the song could be argued to reflect British societal values of the time, shifting the song from necessarily reflecting M's world view.

Asian Rut (1991). Aside from the title itself which could be considered flippant there was nothing essentially racist or offensive about this bleak tale of a racist attack. Indeed the musical backing is sombre and the lyric sympathetic towards the victim.

National Front Disco (1992). The "England for the English" refrain raised eyebrows but the racist protagonist Davy is portrayed as a misguided loser. The refrain could easily be justified as flowing from the mouth of Davy himself, so with Morrissey speaking in the voice of Davy or even as a 'flawed narrator' rather than expressing his own views. On the face of it, less a racist song than an anti-racist one comsisering the song purely on its own terms.

This Is Not Your Country (1997). A song exploring national identity and political / military occupation, this song side-stepped very much criticism due to its B-side status and M appearing to side with the ‘occupied’ ‘underdog’ (Ireland) against British 'occupation'. As such a song which would be sympathetically viewed by the British left.

Israel (2017). Not a lyric which would please the sort of liberal, leftie, Smiths fan base, however expressing warmth towards the people of Israel is not in itself offensive in any sense. Also, the lyric is on the face of it quite careful not to overtly mention the Israeli government, it’s miitary activity in Palestine or pit it against its enemies other than in heavily nuanced language. As such, though this lyric didn't really speak to his historic fanbase, it didn't render him unpublishable.

I Am Not A Dog on a Chain (2020). Not a song which addresses matters of race or is right-wing per se, it does however powerfully warn against conformity and the apparatus of society such as the press, with such vigour and aggression that I am of the view that this lyric is an important staging post in his journey towards writing something as batshit and artless as Notre Dame.

Bonfire of Teenagers (2021). For me this is a pretty artless and offensive song, however there are multiple mitigations when compared to Notre Dame. M was singing about an atrocity in his home city and there were some legitimate points made in my opinion about politicians and the British middle class liberal intelligensia ducking the issues raised by this bombing, taking the easy route out by emphasizing solidarity rather any outrage or showing any particular interest in confronting the developing issue of Islamic terrorism in the UK .

However I do believe it was rather lazy and misleading of M to create the refrain of "go easy on the killer". After all the killer was killed in the explosion along with his tragic victims. The song also fails to deal with the issue constructively (although this is not necessarily M’s aim or responsibility) however the lyric is in my opinion insensitive to the victims.

Views, observations, comments anyone?

yeah, this has been covered before.
But of course if the killer died in the explosion then naturally we should conclude that Morrissey wasn’t necessarily singing about that particular terrorist, but that the killer in the line ‘go easy on the killer’ should be interpreted as ‘go easy on terrorism’.
 
Zero evidence of a criminal motive behind the Notre Dame fire. To imply that all the responsible French authorities, as well as the mainstream news media are somehow purposefully hiding the origins of this fire doesn't align with reality. The overwhelming response by all the donors who have contributed vast resources to restore this cultural landmark suggests that the French people, as well as people from all over the world, care deeply about its future as a site of cultural heritage. Disappointing and lazy lyrics. I quite liked Bonfire of Teenagers as criticism of a shallow response (from some) to a genuine terrorist attack but this is something else. I'd like to hear arguments that could genuinely defend the lyrics of this song.
 
They lit you up like a cigarette
Oh I'll never forget,
Notre dame on fire,
anyone who disputes this is a liar,

You got that tin foil that shines so bright,
I got those trouser flares that fit just right.
'Cause we never go out of style,
We never go out of style

I link those youtube videos, but promise I'm not far right
there goes some terrorist setting another church alight,
Cancel another show? I think I just might.

'Cause we never go out of style,
We never go out of style
 
Zero evidence of a criminal motive behind the Notre Dame fire. To imply that all the responsible French authorities, as well as the mainstream news media are somehow purposefully hiding the origins of this fire doesn't align with reality. The overwhelming response by all the donors who have contributed vast resources to restore this cultural landmark suggests that the French people, as well as people from all over the world, care deeply about its future as a site of cultural heritage. Disappointing and lazy lyrics. I quite liked Bonfire of Teenagers as criticism of a shallow response (from some) to a genuine terrorist attack but this is something else.

I'd like to hear arguments that could genuinely defend the lyrics of this song.

If you mean defending the ND lyrics? I don’t think anyone really is.
 
I mean, when a French councillor, Philippe Karsenty, went on Fox News in the immediate aftermath of the fire to basically spin the line that Morrissey is spinning in this song, he was shut down. By Fox News, for god's sake! (OK, Shep Smith, who's since defected, but still...)

An indication of how far down this rabbit hole dear old Moz has fallen...

I'm happy for him to make arguments about the possible ill effects of mass immigration, even about multiculturalism - but perhaps he doesn't see that as his job. He's not a politician, after all. But if you're going to play with politics as a provocateur, you at least need to be coherent about it, and he shows zero signs of being able to do that.
 
I believe that the combination of the death of his mother - who had she heard Notre Dame would surely have had some harsh words for him - and his effective exclusion from the music industry (other than touring) has resulted in him going down a conspiracy rabbit warren never to return.
I think the sense of exclusion is key. I think M's anger over being "cancelled" for so many years is driving him to antagonise the media and the record labels at any cost. "You think that's bad? Try THIS....". I'm not suggesting that he doesn't believe what's he's singing but I think he is out to shock and stir the pot and those lyrics do that, the Central posts do that.

I don't think "Notre Dame" will be the worst of it, either. He's running on rage and won't stop until he is exhausted.
 
But of course if the killer died in the explosion then naturally we should conclude that Morrissey wasn’t necessarily singing about that particular terrorist, but that the killer in the line ‘go easy on the killer’ should be interpreted as ‘go easy on terrorism’.
I always read that 'Go easy on the killer' line to imply that the general mood amongst the swaying 'Don't Look Back in Anger' crowd was to excuse and downplay the killer's actions, and treat him as another sympathetic victim, rather than the evil git who carried out the bombing and was to blame, and whose memory should be vilified. I think Morrissey's anger and frustration here is at least partially justified.

'Notre Dame' however, is completely unjustifiable. Morrissey had plenty of options for intelligently tackling the subjects of immigration, failed integration between cultures, negative aspects of fundamental Islamic faith etc without needing to resort to blatant conspiracy theories. It just makes him look like an alt-right crank.
 
I mean, when a French councillor, Philippe Karsenty, went on Fox News in the immediate aftermath of the fire to basically spin the line that Morrissey is spinning in this song, he was shut down. By Fox News, for god's sake! (OK, Shep Smith, who's since defected, but still...)

An indication of how far down this rabbit hole dear old Moz has fallen...

I'm happy for him to make arguments about the possible ill effects of mass immigration, even about multiculturalism - but perhaps he doesn't see that as his job.

He's not a politician, after all. But if you're going to play with politics as a provocateur, you at least need to be coherent about it, and he shows zero signs of being able to do that.

Shocking that it must be stated. Anyway, politicians and artists are two different animals, and never the two should merge.

 
Yeah, but I don’t know about treating him as a
‘sympathetic victim, rather than the..’ though
songs are open to interpretation, and you could be correct.



I just think it should have been done with a little bit more finesse. I mean, it’s a little too much on the nose, to say the least.
He wrote a sing about Quasimodo. 😝
 
If you mean defending the ND lyrics? I don’t think anyone really is.

I read them again, in the spirit that anyone's entitled to express observations, doubt and other subjective takes.

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For me, the 'we know' phrase is the worst offender. I presume there was an announcement the fire didn't result from a terrorist act before it was investigated? Which would surely not be regular? The line about a touch from a cold hand is strong.

People who were at the Portsmouth gig are saying the song's a cracker. So it's back to the dilemma about risking the album really, as Morrissey IS the master lyric-writer, as a rule. I hereby lay down my pen, and say a little prayer! :pray:
 
I still can't believe it. Did Joe Chiccarelli mix the vocals of "Notre Dame" and say to Morrissey: "This is really fantastic, you've never been better?"
To be fair, Morrissey funded this recording. Chiccarelli was his employee, same as the band members. I expect he can diplomatically suggest when perhaps Morrissey might like to try tracking another vocal take, but - as with the band - he's not really in the position to say 'Hey boss - these lyrics are crap - try again'. He'd be booted off the project and Moz would hire someone else to act as producer.

For good or ill, Morrissey has always had complete creative control of his recorded output.
 
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