Re: NME case - July 16th to 19th - Turn up at court and support Morrissey
Greece and Turkey.
When is the Olympics?
Greece and Turkey.
When is the Olympics?
Greece and Turkey.
When is the Olympics?
Ok, so this is a court trial with a verdict and such at end
meaning there is gambling involved
so, what do the odds makes put Moz's chances at winning?
MORRIZSEY;1986716201 [/I said:I recall Johnny Rogan stating he was surprised that only one fan attended the public gallery during the Joyce/Rourke case
http://uk.answers.yahoo.com/question/index?qid=20081122143133AA5mXQM
And I was that fan
Oh well at least it meant there were plenty of seats to go around and I got to sit next to Angie and listen to her muttering funny comments under her breath.
really? coolHi Robby
True, there's risk, we must be worldwise, but if he plays it straight with his legal team, I think he had a more than 95% chance of winning. It's common for press to exploit and warp perceptions to sell with sensationalised headlines, but this infringes on rights. So NME's gamble has been called. Still the case will of course attract lots of interest, but it'll be done and dusted quite quickly.
Hi Robby
True, there's risk, we must be worldwise, but if he plays it straight with his legal team, I think he had a more than 95% chance of winning. It's common for press to exploit and warp perceptions to sell with sensationalised headlines, but this infringes on rights. So NME's gamble has been called. Still the case will of course attract lots of interest, but it'll be done and dusted quite quickly.
will Mike Joyce get any $ that Moz wins?
In the context of Morrissey being apprehended for a few things he's said to have said, how's this in comparison for monstrous institutional incitement to hatred and ethnic cleansing? - http://www.wired.com/dangerroom/2012/05/total-war-islam/
And an interesting article about the prejudiced rants printed daily in mainstream newspapers http://www.mailwatch.co.uk/2010/10/16/how-to-respond-to-media-myths/ How do they get away with that?
Haha, what did she say? What did she think of Moz' "performance"?
She mainly saved her muttering for when Joyce's legal team were trying to make a point.
One thing I will say about that case was that Morrissey got made out to be the bad guy and Johnny was the poor sop in the middle trying to placate the Diva singer and the droopy backing band but Johnny defended his side, (he and Morrissey's) HARD.
In post trial interviews he made it sound like it was a misunderstanding on his part whilst trying to keep the peace between the 2 sides of the band. Not necessarily true. He downright refuted parts of Joyce's testimony and if anything was more in the firing line because Joyce (with Rourke's testimony) basically said that when approaches were made from their side it was always to Johnny as they weren't confident to broach the subject with Mozzer.
If anyone lied or fabricated the truth to Bruce and Rick it was more likely to have been Johnny (from what i observed at least.)
However you are right, Dame Morrissey's ahem......'performance' overshadowed the facts. Conveniently for Marr I might add. As much as I like Marr, he got to skate quite a bit as far as the culpability goes, although he obviously paid up. But as Morrissey has pointedly stated only after he lost the appeal.
Johnny strikes me as a clever swine. But a good one as well.
She mainly saved her muttering for when Joyce's legal team were trying to make a point.
One thing I will say about that case was that Morrissey got made out to be the bad guy and Johnny was the poor sop in the middle trying to placate the Diva singer and the droopy backing band but Johnny defended his side, (he and Morrissey's) HARD.
In post trial interviews he made it sound like it was a misunderstanding on his part whilst trying to keep the peace between the 2 sides of the band. Not necessarily true. He downright refuted parts of Joyce's testimony and if anything was more in the firing line because Joyce (with Rourke's testimony) basically said that when approaches were made from their side it was always to Johnny as they weren't confident to broach the subject with Mozzer.
If anyone lied or fabricated the truth to Bruce and Rick it was more likely to have been Johnny (from what i observed at least.)
However you are right, Dame Morrissey's ahem......'performance' overshadowed the facts. Conveniently for Marr I might add. As much as I like Marr, he got to skate quite a bit as far as the culpability goes, although he obviously paid up. But as Morrissey has pointedly stated only after he lost the appeal.
Johnny strikes me as a clever swine. But a good one as well.
If anyone lied or fabricated the truth to Bruce and Rick it was more likely to have been Johnny (from what i observed at least.)
The only thing that can damage Morrissey's case more than his own testimony is a legion of his fans showing up to support him.
If you follow the story, blow by blow, I don't think there was much lying going on, as such. There was never an agreement in place, and Joyce and Rourke went on hoping one could be ironed out. Morrissey and Marr kept putting it off.
Of course, from Rourke and Joyce's points of view, deception is deception. One way or another, they weren't getting the truth.
I'm pointing this out because I don't think either Morrissey or Marr, separately or together, intentionally went to Joyce and Rourke and straight-up lied. This doesn't wash their hands, but it's important because it doesn't make one more guilty than the other. You can't really single out one of them as being worse. They didn't want to pay Rourke and Joyce an equal share and kept putting off a final confrontation because the band's four years of existence were so successful and such a whirlwind that they didn't want to tamper with anything. What transpired would have happened to just about any band without strong management, or (at times) any management at all.
And Marr in the middle? Please. Very often that was the case, but Morrissey put him there. He could have stepped up and made the tough decisions but he didn't. He also kept forcing out anyone who might have done so. I'm sure at times Johnny tried to please everyone, and so pleased nobody. Who put him in that position?
And I was that fan
Oh well at least it meant there were plenty of seats to go around and I got to sit next to Angie and listen to her muttering funny comments .
Wow! Did you have to hunt down court dates or did you just randomly "bump into" the information ? Thanks for sharing the stories - I'd really like to read more of your reminiscences on this , however vague they might be after 15 years...