Nick Cave

JeanneDarc

Senior Member
I have been to the Nick Cave exhibition a few years ago in Melbourne. While I respect his musical legacy I get the sense he's more of an image than a real person in his songs. When he's trying to be sensitive.....I don't know. It's too artsy fartsy instead of vunerable. I prefer the Morrissey route. Which is...Why I'm here. :lbf:

Anyway. Do You Love Me Is Great. As well as the mercy seat.
 

atlas

New Member
I have been to the Nick Cave exhibition a few years ago in Melbourne. While I respect his musical legacy I get the sense he's more of an image than a real person in his songs. When he's trying to be sensitive.....I don't know. It's too artsy fartsy instead of vunerable. I prefer the Morrissey route. Which is...Why I'm here. :lbf:

Anyway. Do You Love Me Is Great. As well as the mercy seat.


there is no duobt cave is much more theatre. the one album he wrote where he exposed himself (and wrote a very harsh song about pj harvey) was the boatman's call, in my opinion his masterpiece, and he has since come out and said that he regrets doing it and find sit hard to listen to.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2VsKuRiZXIk
 

JeanneDarc

Senior Member
there is no duobt cave is much more theatre. the one album he wrote where he exposed himself (and wrote a very harsh song about pj harvey) was the boatman's call, in my opinion his masterpiece, and he has since come out and said that he regrets doing it and find sit hard to listen to.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2VsKuRiZXIk

Thanks for posting the youtube link. It's a raw, in your face kinda performance. I looked up the lyrics of west country girl and I dont think they're harsh, that's not what I read into them. A little blunt perhaps...If an ex lover spoke of me like that I'd rather not have it like that, but I don't think he's offensive.

I like this performance: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rRQC8xAobdc
 

Brisbane

Sing Your Life
I would suggest buying the whole back catalogue of Nick Cave and related projects :) All class!

Bumped into him in 2001 the day before his show and had a cup of tea with him.very cool guy :)
 

atlas

New Member
Thanks for posting the youtube link. It's a raw, in your face kinda performance. I looked up the lyrics of west country girl and I dont think they're harsh, that's not what I read into them. A little blunt perhaps...If an ex lover spoke of me like that I'd rather not have it like that, but I don't think he's offensive.

I like this performance: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rRQC8xAobdc

that clip always makes me laugh during he interview.
thats one thing that nick and moz have in common. being uncomfortable in interviews.

i dont usually like to take the artists private life in to consideration when listeningto tehir music. but extreme cases warrant it. look at this video. see the chemistry and then you can understand the depth of feeling he had when writing the boatman's call.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-04wkIk84B8
 

Qvist

Well-Known Member
I have been to the Nick Cave exhibition a few years ago in Melbourne. While I respect his musical legacy I get the sense he's more of an image than a real person in his songs. When he's trying to be sensitive.....I don't know. It's too artsy fartsy instead of vunerable. I prefer the Morrissey route. Which is...Why I'm here. :lbf:

Anyway. Do You Love Me Is Great. As well as the mercy seat.

Really? Not enough of a real person in his songs, compared to the stark and sombre depiction of Morrissey's everyday life you find in "First of the Gang to die", "Last of the Famous International Playboys" or "Mama lay softly on the riverbed"? :)

cheers
 

I am a Ghost

New Member

Morrissey speaks to me more personally as a singer/songwriter, and I guess that will always out in terms of preference.

Nick Cave veers from tender ballads to apocolyptic and apoplectic rantings and I think is still willing to push the boat out as regards musical experimentation. He will always produce interesting and stimulating music and has a wider palette of expression.
 

JeanneDarc

Senior Member
that clip always makes me laugh during he interview.
thats one thing that nick and moz have in common. being uncomfortable in interviews.

i dont usually like to take the artists private life in to consideration when listeningto tehir music. but extreme cases warrant it. look at this video. see the chemistry and then you can understand the depth of feeling he had when writing the boatman's call.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-04wkIk84B8

Chemistry overdose, indeed.

I'm drunk right now and it moves me even more than sober. :thumb:
 

cornelius blaze

Boychild mustn't tremble!
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ain't got much but this is one of my favs:thumb:
 

Fulham Road Lights

Ill-adjusted
I'm starting to get into him after my mate lent me Let Love In and I bought No More Shall We Part the other day, which suffice to say, is one of the best records I think I've ever heard, and I've only listened to it about three times. I'm also looking the Boatman's Call a the moment, because I know it's very good. Any other fans out there? What are your favourite albums and why? How did you get into him? Have you ever seen him live? etc etc
 

I am a Ghost

New Member
After Morrissey, he's my favorite singer/songwriter.

Boatman's Call is his greatest in my opinion, but every album is really pretty wonderful. I'd also try Abbatoir Blues/The Lyre Of Orpheus, Nocturama and the last NC/Bad Seeds album Dig!!!Lazarus Dig!!!

They are his recent ones, but his whole back catalogue is just wonderful. When I think of a song such as this..Dear God....

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WFdUTM4gU-o

Live, he is just fantastic.
 

jhj1814

New Member
Any other fans out there? What are your favourite albums and why?

When trying to think of one favorite Nick Cave album, about 5-6 sprang to mind. Probably a testament to how brilliant his music is.

1992's Henry's Dream all the way through to 2004's Abattoir Blues/The Lyre Of Orpheus is hands down amazing stuff, every track, B-sides and all. I really can't say enough about how much I love each and every album with the exception being Let Love In. It's not that I dislike the 'songs' on that album as it's more an issue with the mix/sound (for me it's too brittle).

1990-2004 is what I think of as Cave's "SONGWRITER" period. He uses pianos, there's strings sometimes and the songs are slower, warmer, etc. I love this side of Nick Cave and the Bad Seeds the most.

I've done plenty of exploring of the 5 albums prior to The Good Son, and that music is way darker, feverishly intense and equally strange, always brilliant.

I'm not as interested in his last 2 albums, Grinderman (the small version of the Bad Seeds) and Dig, Lazarus, Dig!!! because he reminds me now more of a cerebral older guy who JUST WANTS TO RAWK.

But what's recent by Cave that IS brilliant are his movie scores. Those are not to be missed. 'The Assassination of Jesse James by the Coward Robert Ford' soundtrack is so good it should be listened to as an album, start to finish, it's that good, and I'm not sure I ever said that about a collection of film-score instrumental music.

Favorite B-side, and perhaps all-time fave song by him is 'Swing Low,' off the 'Bring It On' single. Do explore the B-sides & Rarities Box Set, HOWEVER some songs on it (including Swing Low) are poorly edited, as in they fade out before the song reaches its conclusion, so it's good to get the original versions.

One more thing, there's a song with vocals he did for a French film and the track is called 'To Be By Your Side.' I'd definitely get that at some point as its beautiful. Oh! And 'Sad Waters' as performed live on 'The Secret Life Of The Love Song & The Flesh Made Word' is a heartbreaking thing of beauty.
 

Fulham Road Lights

Ill-adjusted
May I here state my love for the song 'Sweetheart Come', one of the most heartwrenching, passionate, amazing songs ever recorded.
 

mauve21

Long time participant
Growing up in Melbourne, I saw Nick Cave live on two occasions.
I have two of his albums:- The firstborn is dead and
Henry's Dream.
I wasn't a "punk" as such but I was a big fan.
I saw quite a lot of people "go under" with drugs and such in the
seventies. Obviously the whole decadent thing was taken way
too far with some and I know Nick Cave himself, was a heroin
addict for quite awhile.
Listening to 3RRR today, someone was saying how Nick Cave
left Australia.
I believe he was probably more successful overseas than here.
 

mauve21

Long time participant
Oh and might I add Nick Cave's book was brilliant.
I'd recommend it to anyone.
 

Fulham Road Lights

Ill-adjusted
Grinderman to release new album and tour UK in September

http://www.nme.com/news/grinderman/51226

Brilliant, after only a couple of months of Nick Cave fandom I am gonna get the chance to see him live. As I prefer his ballady side Grinderman isn't ideal but I've been listening to their record and I still think it's pretty good. And the Manchester Academy is such an intimate venue! This is gonna be off the scale :D
 
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