New U2 video

According to the BBC news site, the cheapest ticket for their February 2006 show in Brazil was 200 reais (£50, $88) - about two-thirds of Brazil's minimum monthly wage.

Right. And U2 just released a superfluous greatest hits package for Christmas and there are numerous books and DVDs on the market and their concerts tickets go for (relatively) incredible sums of money.

I'm just curious about something. Where did Bono mention that capitalism itself was bad? Where was he quoted saying everyone should be ashamed of himself for trying to make money? I've followed his career for a long time (first as a fan, and for the last 8 or 9 years just as a mildly interested observer) and I cannot remember Bono ever preaching that we shouldn't make money or that we are obligated to give away the money we do make. Capitalism with a conscience is what he stands for.

There's nothing inconsistent in the way U2 makes money and Bono's philanthropy. His partner, Bill Gates, has ripped off people for over a decade with his crappy OS and dozens of other schemes to get rich and yet through his foundation he has given more money and help to poor people in the world than anyone.

If you dare to step up and try and make some positive changes in the world, you have to renounce materialism and become a saint? Is that it? Bono is a bastard because he dares to live like a rich rock star and tries to help poor people in Africa?

I could understand the hatred if he didn't accomplish anything. But from what I've read he has. Not just photo ops and a few boxes of rice sent overseas, either, but substantial help for those who need it. He's talked of as a serious candidate for the Nobel Peace Prize and last year had glowing profiles in the New York Times and Time that if nothing else did away with the notion that he's all style and no substance. He's given his time and money to the causes he's passionate about. What is so bad about this guy?

By the way, what was the cost of Morrissey's tickets in Mexico compared to the monthly minimum wage? And there's a thread elsewhere started by someone who wanted to know what brand of shirts Morrissey wears (and as we know throws away) in concert-- Gucci, was it?
 
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I don't really like U2, but the song is nice though. I have to admit I like some of their late stuff. "Walk on" for instance. It is so stadium-rock in a blatant way, I like that. But the new video bothers me a bit. I don't know the right saying ... standing on the shoulders of giants?
And where's Stipe?
 
I'm with you Worm.

I like the video a lot. I also like U2. I'm not like so many morrissey fans who well hate U2 because Morrissey puts u2 down. Just look at the whole David Bowie thing. One second he is loved by Morrissey and his fans, then he is hated by all.

u2 does have their unique sound they hardly move away from. But they do a damn good job with that sound. They still are making good music that makes you feel good.
 
I don't really like U2, but the song is nice though. I have to admit I like some of their late stuff. "Walk on" for instance. It is so stadium-rock in a blatant way, I like that. But the new video bothers me a bit. I don't know the right saying ... standing on the shoulders of giants?
And where's Stipe?

they weren't 'standing on the shoulder's of giants'. U2 is seen in the audience, meaning they are paying homage to, as fans. They are looking up, not 'standing on'.

Stipe wasn't in it? you're right, he should be. footage from the green tour would have been nice.
 
U2 should have called it quits after the Achtung, because they haven't realised any decent albums since. They became deeply commercialised and they are a victims of their own success. Usually when that happens bands talent seeps away, this is to be the case with U2. I can't stand Bono; the guy is the biggest hypocrite going. They are the older version of Oasis; I wish both bands would call it day.

wow, morrissey tells you to dislike someone, and you do it on cue. What do you think of David Bowie?

U2 still puts out fantastic music. Anyone who doesn't see it is a towel.
 
When did Morrissey tell anyone to dislike U2? Just because he's never raved about them and complimented them that means he hates them?

He's often said nice things about Bono as well so I really don't know where you're getting that from.
 
they weren't 'standing on the shoulder's of giants'. U2 is seen in the audience, meaning they are paying homage to, as fans. They are looking up, not 'standing on'.

Stipe wasn't in it? you're right, he should be. footage from the green tour would have been nice.

U2 might be in the audience, I thought I saw this Edge-guy, but they put themselves on the stage as fans and still it appears as if they want to be adored due to the people they seem to adore.
 
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When did Morrissey tell anyone to dislike U2? Just because he's never raved about them and complimented them that means he hates them?

He's often said nice things about Bono as well so I really don't know where you're getting that from.

He's said nothing about bad things about Bono. recently he says nothing but bad things about everyone except those on the Attack Records label
 
U2 might be in the audience, I thought I saw this Edge-guy, but they put themsleves on the stage as fans and still it appears as if they want to be adored due to the people they seem to adore.

it 'appears'? maybe in your head.
 
He's said nothing about bad things about Bono. recently he says nothing but bad things about everyone except those on the Attack Records label

Can you give us an example of all these bad things he's said about Bono? Could you also explain if Morrissey hates him so much he presented an award to him once and called U2 "sexy" as he did so?

Some people just don't like U2 and it's nothing to do with anything Morrissey has said about them.
 
Can you give us an example of all these bad things he's said about Bono? Could you also explain if Morrissey hates him so much he presented an award to him once and called U2 "sexy" as he did so?

Some people just don't like U2 and it's nothing to do with anything Morrissey has said about them.

jesus, i don't know. i thought morrissey does slag off bono. Has my mind just assumed it. anyone here can back me up? because i don't feel like digging up proof.

I don't care looking like an idiot from time to time. so if no one else backs me up then i'll leave it at ...I am wrong.
 
The important thing that everyone is missing...With this U2 video, Morrissey will finally be shown on MTV!! First time in over a decade.
 
Hmm, didn't think about that, interesting point. By the way was that the What Difference Does It Make? performance of the This Charming Man one? Obviously I recognized him and that specific performance, but I can't remember which song they played then.
 
jesus, i don't know. i thought morrissey does slag off bono. Has my mind just assumed it. anyone here can back me up? because i don't feel like digging up proof.

I don't care looking like an idiot from time to time. so if no one else backs me up then i'll leave it at ...I am wrong.

well, maybe your impression was formed from seeing something like this recent news item and accompanying discussion about morrissey gently deriding bono's lyrics on stage during his gigs:


excerpt from : http://www.last.fm/user/skyblue1987/journal/2006/04/19/119217/

However the issue of age was a theme throughout the gig, as having confirmed ' Morrissey – The Youngest Was The Most Loved' as his next single, Morrissey then accused Radio 1 of ageism.

"Radio 1 have already said they won't play it (the single)," he told the crowd. "Do you know why? Because the head of music at Radio 1 has said: 'Morrissey was born in 1959 and the furthest we go back is 1971'. This does not apply to U2 or Madonna, it's Radio 1's way of saying screw you, but what do we care?"

However, speaking to NME.comtoday a spokesperson for Radio 1 said: "We don't decide what we will play based on the artists age, but we look at whether the track is something our listeners would be into. Colin and Edith have actually played the track"

The singer later picked on U2 again. Responding to a recent poll that had voted the Irish band's song 'One' one of the best lyrics of all time, Morrissey quipped to his audience, "I noticed in the newspapers that in a lyrical competition Bono did better than me. He's really nice, but really?"
 
^^Yes maybe that was it, but i thought there was more. NOIP, I shuld have known your brain and its power of cataloging every single post on the forum would serve me well.


back to the video. Hey they showed Elvis twice so obviously they should have shown morrissey twice. Since there is a 'fan' theme, it would of been nice to see Dallas Everyday Is Like Sunday video footage of morrissey being swarmed by fans. or at least a side shot of morrissey on stage and the frenzy of fans reaching out trying to touch him
 
Do you know why you assume Morrissey hates Bono, Puddle? It's because it's in the air. It's de rigeur. Hating Bono and U2 is like a rite of passage. They are the epitome of uncool. To say you like Bono or U2 in 2006 is the equivalent of saying you like Lawrence Welk or Doris Day-- no, strike that, saying you like U2 is the same as telling people you go to Satanic rituals in which The Edge lashes the backs of average, everyday Westerners to force them to walk with spiked heels across the backs of millions of poor Africans, laid face down end to end in a road of exploitation and misery, so that they might shovel all their spare cash into a gigantic furnace which doubles as a monument to Bono's godlike ego, after which Larry and Adam sodomize them with Best Of compilation CDs. So naturally you assumed he hates them. Hating them is a sport, and most of the time people have no idea why they participate. This thread proves that point.

As a matter of fact I don't recall Morrissey slagging off Bono much at all over the years. I strongly doubt he liked their records, but in any case it didn't come up much in interviews.

The Edge always liked Johnny Marr and said so; around 1987 he said Marr was his favorite guitarist. Bono said the following about Morrissey recently. Give the man credit for noticing the one thing so many critics have utterly missed in Morrissey, his humor, a first impression shared by none other than John Peel. (I also think his remarks about the indie scene are apt, especially about The Bunnymen.)

Q: Morrissey -- good or great?

Bono: I remember hearing "How Soon Is Now" for the first time. You can always tell a truly great song when you can't speak after you've heard it, you have to pull over your car for fear of crashing. Edge was an immediate Smiths fan, right from "This Charming Man," and I got into him as a humorist. I remember us playing Manchester Poly, way back, and he was around. He's certainly a lot more interesting than the indie stable he came from. I loathed that scene. But Morrissey -- he's like Oscar Wilde in a Ford Escort.

That indie scene he came from -- it was a bunch of lies sold to people and it made our life a lot less interesting and a lot more lonely, even just in terms of who we were sharing hotels with. All those bands that were broken up by that "cultural revolution" -- they're not there any more. It was a "cultural revolution" disguised by words such as "street cred." This is the lexicon of what we lived through during the 1980s, the excuses used for not having a good song. It was mesmerising, really mesmerising. We were smart enough to go to America and bypass that. We took a few blows for that; a few connected. That scene was bananas, it really was. It broke up the Smiths, broke up the Clash, stopped a band called Echo and the Bunnymen. And then it moved to Seattle -- Kurt Cobain -- another five minutes and he would have been out of that scene.​
 
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Oh yawn. Bono is an utter wanker and his band are mind-bogglingly awful. That is all. I don't care whether Morrissey's ever spoken out against him. Poor old Moz can't be expected to single-handedly eradicate every evil from this earth.

Bono: "every time I clap my hands, a child in Africa dies"
Audience member: "stop f***ing clapping your hands, then [,you sanctimonious arsehole]"
 
How patronising, I don't like Bono because I feel he is a hypocrite, I don't like U2's newer music, the end. Get down off your high horse before you fall off. You like Bono, U2 and what Bono and Geldoff are doing, that's fine, but don't start patronising people who dislike him, his views or his music.


Im with you, Worm, wholewhaerteldly.:) I thought i was at u2 forum again when i saw this thread! It would be just tooo easy to say things like hypocrite about Bono. Although i am also sick of his face, as an hardcore fan for years i just need to say something about them. First off - i dont want to go into discussion about his charity work. But, apparently, he is trying to do something. I dont like the way he is doing it nowadays. I prefer Alis way (his beautiful wife). Most of you probably dont know that his wife is trying to help victims of Chernobyl for 15 years in a very quiet way. She is very intelligent, nice and beautiful woman. The fact that he has chosen her over some supermodel says a lot to me about Bono. (they are childhood sweethearts).
But, i want to say A LOT about their music. Boy, October, Unforgettable fire are just out of this world. I think their music is much weaker since 1997, but early period is just ... They have some lyrical highlights now - like "Only true love can keep beauty innocent" - i like that line a lot, but the atmospheric and mysterious sound of Boy and UF are just great. They were also outsiders in the early 80s like the Smiths. The fact that Bons mum died when he was 14 and Larrys when he was just 18 didnt destroy them, they kept believing. Their faith, innoocence, atmospheric Dublin of early 80s, songs like An cat Dubh, Rejoice, Scarlet, I threw a brick though the window, 11 0 clock tick tock, Electric.co, Spanish eyes, are so unique, brilliant and full of wonder, beauty, faith and love. And also anger, fear, and all spectar of emotions. Their last tour was great disappointment, i must admit. Bono went a bit crazy and that is actually my theory. When i saw him with CO_exist tape around his head i thought:"OMG, what happpened to you?" Yes, it is pretty sad how wealth and happiness can destroy talent and inspiration. Moz said that numerous times. But, their music is uplifting, i admire them for their faith, and dont forget about Larry, Edge and Adam. They are actually pretty normal and interesting guys, right?
 
Ha, sorry Kickstand. I've just encountered your attitude about Bono too many times. You didn't explain why Bono's a hypocrite, you just keep talking about it like it's a fact.

Here's what a few minutes of Googling will get you on this subject. What Googling won't turn up is a lot of preaching about the evils of capitalism, why we are all going to hell, why Bono thinks he's Jesus, etc. Sorry to do the cut and paste routine (which normally I despise) but I just wanted to throw out some of the stuff of which my high horse is built.

Bold font for those who hate my long posts! I've tried to bold those statements that are relevant to accusations made about Bono in this thread.

Here are some soundbites and other news items about this abominable fraud, Bono, and his all talk/no walk charity work:

"[In 1986 my wife and I] went to work in Ethiopia for a month," Bono recalls. "We worked in an orphanage, in one of those awful camps, and we'd wake up in the morning to the sight of thousands of people walking through the mist in the hopes of getting some food. My experience there was very hard to forget but...I did. We went back to our daily life in Ireland and me being in a band, but we'd always hoped we might be able to look at the structure of the problem. There's a certain kind of poverty that is structural, not just misfortune, and so when I heard about this plan to use the millennium as an opportunity to give the poorest countries a chance to start again, I thought, 'This is major, and it's the right thing to do.'"

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"We may be the worst examples of the excesses of the West but in these meetings we represent the poor and take that job very seriously. I try to use my celebrity as a loudhailer for those who have lost their voice."

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"For what was once called foreign assistance, we now need two names: one you can call mercy and response to pandemic-type aid and you can’t hold people ransom to their governments on that. Then there is other aid called investment."

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"Doing business is sexy. Trade is sexy. Aid is not sexy if you’re an African. Africans don’t want aid but they need aid. What they really want and what their heart desires and what they truly deserve is trade as a way out of their present circumstances; to do business and the dignity of doing business together on an even playing field.

So, the thing I will come away with at the end of this trip, apart from some of the more tragic moments that are hard to forget, is this rather intoxicating ‘can do’ attitude that we’ve just discovered in this new Africa, like the A to Z textile company we visited that makes bed nets and polo shirts for its next door neighbor. There are new burgeoning African businesses about to break through if we give them the right breaks."

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"Product RED, a project created by Irish musician Bono and Bobby Shriver that that aims to raise money for the Global Fund To Fight AIDS, Tuberculosis and Malaria by donating a portion of profits from a range of branded products, raised more than $10 million in the United Kingdom from February through September, according to Global Fund Director Richard Feachem, the New York Times reports ... The funds generated from U.K. sales will be allocated to HIV testing and treatment services for HIV-positive women and children living in Rwanda and to supporting AIDS orphans in Swaziland, Feachem said (New York Times, 10/4)".

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"On Monday U.S. mobile giant Motorola unveiled a series of cell-phone handsets specifically created to help eliminate the epidemic as part of an initiative launched by Bono earlier this year. Specifically, about $18 (10 pounds) from sales of the Red MOTOSLVR series that are sold in Britain will be allocated to the Global Fund to Fight AIDS, in addition to 5 percent of monthly revenue generated by the sales or use of the Red model.

Bono has succeeded not only in getting Motorola to design a handset to cater specifically to the cause, but he has also gotten telecommunications providers and retailers BT Mobile, Carphone Warehouse, Fresh, O2, Orange, Tesco Mobile, T-Mobile, Virgin Mobile and Vodafone to take part in the campaign and donate part of their earnings from the business the Red series generates to the fund as well."

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"[Bono] first became interested in Africa's economic plight in the 1980s, after the Live Aid concerts that raised money for Ethiopian famine victims. "My wife Ali and I ended up going to Ethiopia for some time doing relief work. We were so high on the idea that Live Aid raised $100 million—and then you discover years later that that's what Africa pays every couple of weeks on old loans. It's kind of a shock. I thought we'd never forget what we'd been through in Ethiopia, but you go back to your life and then those images just fade away."

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'"I think that politicians are attracted at first by the celebrity," says Harvard economics guru Jeffrey Sachs, who has huddled with Bono and the Pope on the debt issue. "But once they meet him, they find that he is an outstandingly capable interlocutor."

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"Bono says he has been thinking for years about the need to market his ideas for helping the poor in a less "misty-eyed, bleeding-heart" way, more like a "sports-shoe company does or, dare I say it, a cigarette company does"."

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"The real surprise is that Bono turns out to be a card-carrying capitalist. He wants companies selling Red products to make a profit by helping the poor - doing well by doing good.

"Many of the world's greatest minds are in commerce," he says. And if there is something in it for them, he thinks, companies will spend far more money promoting Red than Bono could ever hope to mobilise through charity. ... He wants "Red to have a certain sex appeal, smartness: it doesn't talk down, or attempt to guilt trip people."

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And here are some quotes from the hypocrite himself:

"As a rock star, I have two instincts, I want to have fun, and I want to change the world. I have a chance to do both. "

"Distance does not decide who is your brother and who is not. The church is going to have to become the conscience of the free market if it's to have any meaning in this world - and stop being its apologist."

"I'm not a whinging liberal. I'm no hippie with flowers in my hair."

"I'm tired of dreaming. I'm into doing at the moment. It's like, let's only have goals that we can go after."

"U2 is about the impossible. Politics is the art of the possible. They're very different, and I'm resigned to that now."

"Here's some good news -- [looks at President Bush] -- for you, Mr. President. After 9-11 we were told America would have no time for the World's poor. We were told America would be taken up with its own problems of safety. And it's true these are dangerous times, but America has not drawn the blinds and double-locked the doors. In fact, you have doubled aid to Africa. You have tripled funding for global health. And Mr. President, your emergency plan for AIDS relief and support of the Global Fund -- you and Congress -- have put 700,000 people onto life-saving anti-retroviral drugs and provided 8 million bed nets to protect children from malaria."

'Bono, co-founder of DATA and lead singer of U2, said yesterday afternoon, "Senator Mike DeWine has pulled off something special in the Senate today. Thanks to his leadership, this extra money for the Global Fund will mean a lifeline for somebody's mother, somebody's father, somebody's sister, somebody's son. It's no surprise to me that he, Senator Rick Santorum and Senator Richard Durbin have once again rolled up their sleeves in defense of the most vulnerable on the planet against AIDS, TB and Malaria."

The Global Fund is a Geneva-based foundation that supports locally-designed programs in 130 countries. An analysis from Friends of the Global Fight suggests that this $100 million could support an additional 630,000 bed nets to fight malaria or treat 80,000 people suffering from tuberculosis.

Overall, the Committee approved $3.4 billion for fighting global HIV/AIDS.
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So, to sum up: hate U2's music if you want, criticize Bono's efforts, assume he's being used, but, please-- the man is neither "evil" nor a "hypocrite". His work does real good in the world, however many mistakes are made, and more to the point he has never presented himself as anything but transparently capitalistic and tainted by worldliness. He has gone with the flow of capitalism in order to live up to a more pragmatic idea of Christianity, and always always always accepted the fallibility of others as well as his own.

I have spoke with the tongue of angels
I have held the hand of a devil
 
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