New Morrissey interview mentions Bowie, start of new album entirely of covers (12 songs) - Infobae

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    Morrissey, entrevistado por Infobae: “David Bowie abandonó el talento y la vocación en 1980” - Infobae (Argentina)



    Morrissey, interviewed by Infobae: "David Bowie abandoned talent and vocation in 1980"
    Before the start of his tour of the region, the charismatic and talented English musician spoke with Infobae Cultura about his way of composing, his upcoming tour, his rejection of the post-80 Bowie and announced that he will release a new album composed entirely of covers

    By Nicolás Pichersky
    August 4, 2018
    Infobae Cultura interviewed this great artist via email. A Morrissey, as always, to dry. Morrissey, like Wilde, Sinatra, Brando: one of the most evocative pop artists of the last four decades.

    - You usually write along with other musicians (as in The Smiths did with Johnny Marr) Could you tell us about your creative process?
    - There is no such thing as a process in itself. The songs are based on my experience and in general conform to some musical structure. I have a strong sense of melody and usually this is the root and center of each of my songs.

    - In the maturity and peak of his career, unlike other artists (like Rod Stewart, Bob Dylan or Paul McCartney), you have never used the classic songbooks for your records.
    - Well, just yesterday I started recording what will be my new album: it will be entirely covers and with 12 songs. So you see: I'm already doing what many say I would never do!

    - In his autobiography he tells how David Bowie insistently looked for him for a joint project. Now that Bowie is gone: what is the strangest thing about him?
    - I will never forget the respect I had for him when I was very, very young because England was still going through a violent and skinhead era and he emerged with his great melodies and a confrontational image together with a feminine appearance. And with all that he had to fight against those who criticized him: and it was a miracle because he triumphed. The press in general called it "a national disgrace." Now they love him, of course ... But his talent and vocation left him in 1980: his music became a professional career and, since that time, singing or composing did not bring him new challenges and pleasures. And in this sense, the effort he had to make with thereafter is obvious.

    The tug-of-war that Moz maintains with the press (not of his country, but of the whole world) is known. And the almost infantile hatred of Morrissey towards the media is transparent, something that he initiates in his autobiography, dedicating to him the subject numerous pages and placing himself in a place of victim and of J'accuse ...! of pop music. Of course, your opinions do not help much.

    Morrissey seems to be a contradictory man: the newspapers have accused him of xenophobic or intolerant attitudes (with certain objectivity: just read his statements) or close to the extreme right. But at the same time, he maintains a critical attitude toward the English empire or the era of Margaret Thatcher. Just read the Jacobin subtitle of his latest album: on the cover, a boy holds a banner that says, without subtleties, "Guillotine to the monarchy."

    - Does Morrissey feel comfortable with some traditional political stance?

    - In the United Kingdom a couple of "hate" diaries have led a disparaging campaign against me: everything I say or think is constructed and treated as "diabolical". This is because they are extreme left, which is why my criticisms of the ritual slaughter of animals, clitoris ablation or immigration without control, do not fit in with their philosophy. And unfortunately the left extremists control the most important media in England, so there is no possible multicultural debate: if you mess with those issues, your opinions are repressed by this fragile left that does not even submit them to consideration. My band, which has been with me for years, is multi-ethnic, my most recent album has a dedication to Dick Gregory, one of the most important American civil rights activists there was. And my lyrics try to observe the diversity of what happens in Turkey, Israel, Ukraine, Egypt, France, Italy, Spain or Barein. And, all in all, these two "hate" newspapers label me as racist. I never met any racist person and I think the idea of xenophobia is absurd. But the English media are in the "Age of idiocy" and accuse anyone who asks for an open discussion as a racist.Help!

    Morrissey, 'the big mouth' as he has so often sung, 'attacks back'. He seems to see red flags as if he were in the middle of the Cold War (and as if he had been born in Kansas, more than in Manchester). Will he believe in his perception of the ideological shift to the left of the media that a reactionary and popular tabloid like The Sun is now progressive?

    On the end, and despite discarding the post-80 Bowie (love, modern and danceable: from Modern love to New killer star ), a joke or an ironic praise is left to him in his last response.

    - Could you tell us something about your show in Buenos Aires?
    - Yes: I will be on stage with a giant glass chandelier. That would be a good idea, right? ( N of R: The Glass Spider Tour was a famous world tour of David Bowie during the 80s ).

    * Morrissey will visit this part of the world from November 22nd and 23rd, in Mexico; Peru (27/11); Brazil (30/11 and 2/12), Argentina (7/12) and will close in Chile (14 and 15/12)
     
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Discussion in 'General Discussion archive 2018 (read-only)' started by Anonymous, Aug 4, 2018.

    1. Thewlis
      Thewlis
      They’re classics obviously but so are some of Moz’s or Smiths’ better known songs. I don’t know about the Hipster handbook though :lbf:
      But if you look at the numbers on Spotify for instance Smiths/Moz easily beat Stooges/Pop. I reckon as far as album sales go they would too.
    2. g23
      g23
      I work in the service industry, so I get to deal with a lot of millennials, many of them hipsters. It's a curse, I tell you. (I kid, they're driven, funny, kind, and are really battling steep odds regarding opportunity, housing, inflation and debt.) I can't equate sales with impact though, otherwise the Velvets wouldn't even be in the running. I know that Morrissey isn't well liked by the younger crowd due to his controversial statements, but they do have an easier time separating art from artist regarding The Smiths. Nearly all of them don't even give solo Morrissey a chance, which is always odd to me, since I like a lot of his solo work equally.
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    3. Mayfly
      Mayfly
      The fact that he's ranting a lot about "the extreme left-wing orientation of the music press in the UK" makes me think that the interview took place after the cancellation of the UK / European tour, that is in the month of July. That being said, "just yesterday could still mean anything. It might just as well refer to the studio recording of Back on the chain gang (late March / early April).
      My guess is that the single release of the Back on the Chian Gang cover, originally planned for August 2018, is now pushed back to coincide with the release of the full album.
      Finally, I am impressed to read that Boz has been in the music industry for 40 years now, that is longer than Morrissey!
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    4. Charlie Cheswick
      Charlie Cheswick
      So the Chili Peppers were then haha. I think there were two greatly influential guitar bands from the 80's, I'm assuming the Foo Fighters and White Stripes are from the other line.
    5. firstodie
      firstodie
      Where are the White Stripes now? They come and they go.
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    6. Charlie Cheswick
      Charlie Cheswick
      I never got them nor did I know anyone else who did. I bought a couple of their albums and in general they're a racket.
    7. vegan.cro spirit# 765
      vegan.cro spirit# 765
      "throw the Chili Peppers off a cliff":drama:
      :rolleyes:
    8. firstodie
      firstodie
      I know Charlie. Someone decided they were good and we all have to agree.
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    9. Anonymous
      Anonymous
      A bowie mate said this when I asked his opinion, I don't know much about Bowie

      'I think when you release a song like Your The One For Me Fatty, apparently, during your prime, you havent really got room to talk.
      Let's Dance was Bowies cross over lp but had some great songs , he also had a few good tunes here and there Throughout the 80s. Jump They Say was a great return to form single in the 90s and he had the lp Buddha Of Suburbia Heathen is phenomenal and the song New Killer Star is shinny and sparkles.
      The unreleased lp Toy is better than most of Morrisseys solo Lps of late.

      Bowies last two lps were remarkable, especially Black Star.
      Morrossey hasn't really had a great lp since the 90s and even by then he was patchy.
      Bowie also didn't have to write songs like First Of The Gang to Die and Israel to pander to an audience.

      Morrissey is pathetic he's a 59 year old trolling a dead artist, he has no hope of bettering. Imagine being so dead inside you have to troll a dead pop star?
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    10. Orson Swells
      Orson Swells
      You are entirely right. My daughter is 18 and involved in the current Manchester scene. Morrissey is persona non grata; while the Smiths are fine. It strikes me as odd when Lou Reed and Prince were known to be violent to women; Bowie was charged with underage sex; M Jackson was evidently a paedophilia, etc. But there does seem to be a different set of standards where Morrissey is concerned. Just the other day, BBC 6Music celebrated Kate Bush's birthday, a known Conservative who votes Tory. This didn't seem to impact on the millennials phoning in with their favourite "Kate" tracks. At the moment I doubt Morrissey's 60th will be quite so celebrated - but I think this is a generational thing partly and the wheel will spin back around in his favour eventually, as it did with Dylan and Cohen - who in their day were involved in similar controversy.
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    11. g23
      g23
      I have to say, the kids are alright. I think with Morrissey, the turnaround is so counter to the emotion the music gives people that it feels like a betrayal. I've been able to listen to some Morrissey lately, but it's still colored with "Why'd you have to turn into such a knob?"
    12. Anonymous
      Anonymous
      When I came on this part I thought it sounded very similar to defence given in a blog a month or so ago. I mention this as I know the person who writes the blog, I'm on His FB page at least. I won't say his name but I keep hearing about him and moz being weirdly interlinked. So this was curious

      'My band, which has been with me for years, is multi-ethnic, my most recent album has a dedication to Dick Gregory, one of the most important American civil rights activists there was. And my lyrics try to observe the diversity of what happens in Turkey, Israel, Ukraine, Egypt, France, Italy, Spain or Barein. And, all in all, these two "hate" newspapers label me as racist'

      The blog post
      https://dailydiarist.wordpress.com/2018/06/26/operation-snide/

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      ' The singer routinely travels the globe has stated his love yes for England but also Ireland, Scandinavia, Mexico, America and Israel as well as singing about the wonders of Turkish city Istanbul. This doesn’t strike me as the actions of a St George tattooed little England er. Morrissey has been a long time fan of black author James Baldwin, he dedicated his last LP Homo In Highschool Low In High School ( which was rather good thank-you-very-much ) to black comedian/social observer Dick Gregory,. At gigs he’s been supported, among others, by David Mcalmont ( black singer), Sonya Madan (an Indian singer, born in Delhi), Murray Lightburn (black singer), Buffy Sainte-Marie (indigenous people’s of Canada singer ) and of course Kristeen Young (a singer who may not even be from this Galaxy, let alone Earth). Morrissey also dedicated his autobiography to a lady called Tina who happens to be from Iranian Muslim stock. This may not be a faultless defence against being a racist but it’s also not the role call and choices of you’re average BNP, EDL or even UKIP member….Even a member only on the part time Saturday cleaning rota'
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    13. g23
      g23
      I just don't think the influence is that apparent until you get into the indie/alternative world, and then you can hear it in a long line of sad sack soft boys weeping out their diaries into a microphone. I'm not saying they're not an influence, but to say all guitar music post-Smiths was influenced by them, I can't get behind.
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    14. g23
      g23
      Live, before they got bloated and weird, they were a racket in a good way. Some bands make passion over precision sound good, and are fun to see live. To me, they're an example of a catchy bar band that broke big for a while.
    15. Anonymous
      Anonymous
      Warren Zevon did an amazing cover of "First We Take Manhattan" on the tour where The Odds served as his backing band. I think it's even better than Cohen's version.
    16. Anonymous
      Anonymous
      I hunk it’s just easier to forget the things that happened well before you’re born while morrissey is still a concern for people now and is making headlines now. Really though morrissey is just a proxy pawn in a larger culture war
    17. Anonymous
      Anonymous
      At least here in the states you’re forgetting bands like blink 182 who were doing there green day nofx bad religion thing for the mainstream pop kids but they were huge and led to a million bands like fall out boy my chemical romance and taking back Sunday etc. that was a hugely popular strain of guitar pop rock even if you don’t care for it
    18. Orson Swells
      Orson Swells
      Okay. I'll bite. I'm guessing your friend is no Morrissey fan, but why claim a throwaway like Fatty is his prime and not Vauxhall or The Queen Is Dead? Nobody would claim it's a masterpiece but it's light years ahead of what Bowie was releasing at the time. Your Arsenal is actually a really tight, incredibly consistent work - Bowie's release prior to it was, erm, Tin Machine II.

      I speak as an admirer of the dame, but Let's Dance was only half a decent record. The 80s were a disaster mostly - as Bowie himself freely admitted. Maybe your friend likes Too Dizzy or Magic Dance? Toy is just reworked early songs and a few originals which then became the far superior Heathen.

      Heathen (2002!) is actually an album I really like, but still obviously a notch down from his peak. New Killer Star is a decent song off a pretty poor album otherwise. The Next Day, with hindsight, is extremely mixed, particularly the second half - and the seven tracks of Blackstar are mostly great, but still with one or two duds.


      Bowie certainly did "pander" to his audience though. I have always found the space/alien callbacks to his early stuff very clunky and cringeworthy. Loving the Alien, Hallo Spaceboy, spring to mind. But there are more recent examples too. Even Ashes to Ashes, a great song, was a cynical attempt to draw new fans from the New Wave audience by referencing Space Oddity.

      Morrissey has never ever sunk to the depths of mid-80s Bowie - or Dylan for that matter - much of which is beyond unlistenable, and I speak as a fan of both.
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    19. DavidK
      DavidK
      Irish Blood, Camden, and Im not Sorry are all very good. The rest are on the weak side.
    20. Urška Brodar
      Urška Brodar


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