Morrissey t-shirt with the queen in 2015 tour merchandise / @morrisseygang image

Re: Morrissey tshirt with the queen "The more you ignore me, the closer I get"

Take them to the cleaners. It's your work, you made it clear your terms, and if what you say is accurate, they've ridden rough-shod over your wishes. If you need legal advice, let me know, I'm married to a lawyer.

P.

*EDIT* I note it's not exactly the same image. There's a different queen. Hmm. Not sure. I'll ask for you. But I would have thought that there's a clear line of communication, they took your idea, they are making money from it, and you are not.

 

[CrystalGeezer]

Re: Morrissey tshirt with the queen "The more you ignore me, the closer I get"

Original artist, are you kidding or what? Some dude grabs a pic of the Royal family and a pic of Moz and photoshops them together and that's art that they supposedly own? Come off it CG. The original (cough, splutter) artist does not have a photoshopped leg to stand on. Just because you make a collage and post it on the net, it doesn't make it copyrighted. If he was so precious about it he never would've posted it in the first place.

I will be buying one of these shirts for sure

This is the key word. The original artist made the collage IN THE SPIRIT OF ART. Morrissey's team cribbed the art IN THE SPIRIT OF MAKING MONEY. A judge would side for the artist in a hot second, you might as well cut him a check today.

 

[Anonymous]

Re: Morrissey tshirt with the queen "The more you ignore me, the closer I get"

That's great that you're married to a lawyer. It sounds like you're the one who may need the legal advice before you sign up to help someone who stole copyrighted artwork in the first place.

A little quick out of the gate there.

Jealous?

 

[Anonymous]

Re: Morrissey tshirt with the queen "The more you ignore me, the closer I get"

Take them to the cleaners. It's your work, you made it clear your terms, and if what you say is accurate, they've ridden rough-shod over your wishes. If you need legal advice, let me know, I'm married to a lawyer.

P.

*EDIT* I note it's not exactly the same image. There's a different queen. Hmm. Not sure. I'll ask for you. But I would have thought that there's a clear line of communication, they took your idea, they are making money from it, and you are not.

Skinny once again shows his true colours with his kneejerk reaction of "take them to the cleaners" before realising it's not actually the same image and that he was talking utter bullshit. There are no grounds for a claim here at all. Making a "similar" image with enough differences (speech bubble, different image of the Queen) is not the same as using an original image without permission. The merch company will have taken legal advice before proceeding and after all the Morrissey image wasn't owned by or licensed by the maker of collage that appeared on TTY - which, lets not forget, many of the usual suspects on here stupidly accused Moz of making... (how wrong they were, yet again).

Is this another in the long line of So_Low's idiotic "Let's take Moz to Court" campaigns which immediately falter as soon as those big brave keyboard warriors come to their senses...?

 

[johnnymarr]

Wow, it is 2 Moderators (who know everything about art and copyright law) vs. Common Sense Day, on M-Solo.
David, you must be ever so proud. As a long time proponent of M-solo, sorry to see it has come to this.
Meanwhile these 2 never bother with the real trolls of the site and let them ruin threads day in and day out. What a shame.

 

[danarel]

Re: Morrissey tshirt with the queen "The more you ignore me, the closer I get"

honestly you wont have much of a case seeing as you most likely don't own the rights to either photo you combined.

 

[Anonymous]

Re: Morrissey tshirt with the queen "The more you ignore me, the closer I get"

They disagreed with that permission so much that they used it on TTY. There is a clear artistic direction here. But, I will get some legal clarity on it.

P.

The originator of the TTY collage did not own or license the Moz image but can claim a "Right to Parody", especially since he's not exploiting the image commercially without permission of the copyright owners of the Moz pic AND the Royal Family pic.

If the "Moz crew"/management/whatever paid for the nude photo shoot in return for copyright of the images, or just bought the copyright of several images from that session, then they are entitled to exploit the images however they like (provided no express limitations were placed on usage when they purchased the image - but you woldn't kow because you haven't seen the contract).

Anything your legal advisor says to the contrary is bullshit, just like everything you've said so far about this is uninformed bullshit too. Get a f***ing life, Skinny.

 

[Anonymous]

Re: Morrissey tshirt with the queen "The more you ignore me, the closer I get"

Original artist, are you kidding or what? Some dude grabs a pic of the Royal family and a pic of Moz and photoshops them together and that's art that they supposedly own? Come off it CG. The original (cough, splutter) artist does not have a photoshopped leg to stand on. Just because you make a collage and post it on the net, it doesn't make it copyrighted. If he was so precious about it he never would've posted it in the first place.

I will be buying one of these shirts for sure

I hope you do because you will look absolutely ridiculous wearing it.

 

[Anonymous]

Re: Morrissey tshirt with the queen "The more you ignore me, the closer I get"

Better photo here:

http://uk.mporium.org/home/white-the-more-you-ignore-me-tee.html

 

[21punksalute]

Too bad you just can't be happy he used it

 

[Anonymous]

Re: Morrissey tshirt with the queen "The more you ignore me, the closer I get"

My fear is that this thread will go down the same way as the Morrissey ALLEDGELY doesn't pay his crew thread.
Personally I think they should have paid the OP because his design is much better.

 

[Anonymous]

Re: Morrissey tshirt with the queen "The more you ignore me, the closer I get"

He created an original collage. Ask Linder for details on this issue.

She'll tell you that collage artists prefer to use copyright-free images to avoid having to pay to licence images that are copyright protected.

Another storm in a f***ing teacup whipped up by Skinny to try to discredit Morrissey. Predictable and pathetic.

 

[CrystalGeezer]

Re: Morrissey tshirt with the queen "The more you ignore me, the closer I get"

honestly you wont have much of a case seeing as you most likely don't own the rights to either photo you combined.

Under the guidelines of parody as art, use of the Morrissey image in a collage is negotiable as "fair use." In short, the artist can use a copyrighted image to make a parody for non-profit purposes then turn around and copyright the collage as original artwork.

 

[Anonymous]

Re: Morrissey tshirt with the queen "The more you ignore me, the closer I get"

Ha! Welcome to the 'getting screwed over by Moz' crew! You are in good company:

"I was completely gobsmacked to see what had been done with the image of the Skinhead girls. Besides the backdrop, it was used as the cover of the tour programme, they were selling it on t-shirts and it was even the image on the tour passes.Despite many, many letters and phone calls between myself and Jo Slee I never got paid a cent for the use of my photograph and, following conversations with several people who had better remain nameless, I realised I obviously never would. I just had to put it all down to experience and try to learn whatever lessons I could from it."

http://www.derekridgers.com/homepag...head_girls,_Bank_Holiday,_Brighton_1980..html


He's a card, that Morrissey fella.

There are two sentences in that link that are worth repeating here: "You may notice there is no actual or implied criticism of Morrissey himself here. I was a Smiths/Morrissey fan before this and I still am."

 

[CrystalGeezer]

Too bad you just can't be happy he used it

But he's making money off it, nobody seems to get this.

 

[Anonymous]

Re: Morrissey tshirt with the queen "The more you ignore me, the closer I get"

Ha! Welcome to the 'getting screwed over by Moz' crew! You are in good company:

"I was completely gobsmacked to see what had been done with the image of the Skinhead girls. Besides the backdrop, it was used as the cover of the tour programme, they were selling it on t-shirts and it was even the image on the tour passes.Despite many, many letters and phone calls between myself and Jo Slee I never got paid a cent for the use of my photograph and, following conversations with several people who had better remain nameless, I realised I obviously never would. I just had to put it all down to experience and try to learn whatever lessons I could from it."

http://www.derekridgers.com/homepag...head_girls,_Bank_Holiday,_Brighton_1980..html


He's a card, that Morrissey fella.

Poeple here jump on everything, do they? Instead of using their common sense. I can't imagine how many times over the years Morrissey (well, not Morrissey himself, obviously) had to check the 'rights' over pictures, music, music videos, film clips etc. He used/uses a lot of it. Do you think all these rights owners were not paid? And if it happened a few times, so what? With this multitude of rights who need to be checked it happens, but not deliberately by all means. And it actually also works the other way around. I'm pretty sure there are many instances where Morrissey's art is used without permission. That's life. Move on ...

 

[Eric Hartman]

His Mozjesty doesn't like to pay his former bandmates, roadies, taxes etc. And now t-shirt art.

However, he does like to pay for guns for hire, if one is to believe former body guards.

 

[Anonymous]

But he's making money off it, nobody seems to get this.

Tons and tons of people around the world are making money off Morrissey. Do YOU get this?

 

[CrystalGeezer]

His Mozjesty doesn't like to pay his former bandmates, roadies, taxes etc. And now t-shirt art.

However, he does like to pay for guns for hire, if one is to believe former body guards.

Okay THIS isn't helping, it's probably a big f***-up/mix-up and SOLO is trying to HELP, dumbass.

 

[Anonymous]

His Mozjesty doesn't like to pay his former bandmates, roadies, taxes etc. And now t-shirt art.

However, he does like to pay for guns for hire, if one is to believe former body guards.

Yeah - he's not going to be happy that you've gone public with this and splashed it all over So Low. Get ready for a visit from some of Moz's hired goons, or at least, a lifetime concert ban.

 

[Mozza220559]

It's pathetic that this fella thinks this piece of dross is worth anything but what's worse is Moz's merch team have picked up the idea and turned It into something equally as shit.