Morrissey t-shirt with the queen in 2015 tour merchandise / @morrisseygang image

Discussion in 'General Discussion archive 2015 (read-only)' started by MorrisseyGang, Mar 13, 2015.

By MorrisseyGang on Mar 13, 2015 at 5:12 PM
  1. MorrisseyGang

    MorrisseyGang New Member

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    well, I guess the company that asked for my permission to use a photo I made of Morrissey covering the queens mouth is on a t shirt. Sean Preston with Merchandising for life (Mporium) emailed me right after I made that photo which was put on the cover of truetoyou.net asking if they could make it into a tshirt. He asked for the high resolution file and asked how much I wanted for it. I told him that I spent a long time on it and that I had put my heart and soul into that photo, just like I do my other work and that I would be willing to let them use it, but to give me an offer. I wasn't thinking anything ridiculous, but he never got back to me. Instead I see they took my idea, almost exactly except for the background, and put it on a shirt. I don't know what to make out of this. Part of me is happy that its out there this way, but another part is angry that they reach out to me in the beginning for my idea.. I respond, and then they steal it. What do you guys think? Here are the photos, one of the photo I made, and the other of the shirt being sold at the concert in Nottingham.. Any feedback in appreciated. This is their website and I am attaching the photo I made and the shirt they made...

    http://merchfl.com/


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    UPDATE 11:55 AM PT:

    Link posted by an anonymous person:

    WHITE THE MORE YOU IGNORE ME TEE - Mporium

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    1. Uncleskinny
      Uncleskinny
      Re: Morrissey tshirt with the queen "The more you ignore me, the closer I get"

      Take them to the cleaners. It's your work, you made it clear your terms, and if what you say is accurate, they've ridden rough-shod over your wishes. If you need legal advice, let me know, I'm married to a lawyer.

      P.

      *EDIT* I note it's not exactly the same image. There's a different queen. Hmm. Not sure. I'll ask for you. But I would have thought that there's a clear line of communication, they took your idea, they are making money from it, and you are not.
      Last edited: Mar 13, 2015
    2. Anonymous
      Anonymous
      Re: Morrissey tshirt with the queen "The more you ignore me, the closer I get"

      Ha! Welcome to the 'getting screwed over by Moz' crew! You are in good company:

      "I was completely gobsmacked to see what had been done with the image of the Skinhead girls. Besides the backdrop, it was used as the cover of the tour programme, they were selling it on t-shirts and it was even the image on the tour passes.Despite many, many letters and phone calls between myself and Jo Slee I never got paid a cent for the use of my photograph and, following conversations with several people who had better remain nameless, I realised I obviously never would. I just had to put it all down to experience and try to learn whatever lessons I could from it."

      http://www.derekridgers.com/homepag...head_girls,_Bank_Holiday,_Brighton_1980..html


      He's a card, that Morrissey fella.
    3. CrystalGeezer
      CrystalGeezer
      Re: Morrissey tshirt with the queen "The more you ignore me, the closer I get"

      That sucks. :(
    4. Anonymous
      Anonymous
      Re: Morrissey tshirt with the queen "The more you ignore me, the closer I get"

      Hard to take them to the cleaners especially if permission for the original images was never obtained (esp the M image).
    5. Abrahan
      Abrahan
      I agree that it sucks but they will just come back with the fact that the photographer (who shot the photo of M) was paid at the time of the photoshoot (one would hope) and they could use the photo as they wish.
      Last edited: Mar 13, 2015
    6. Anonymous
      Anonymous
      Re: Morrissey tshirt with the queen "The more you ignore me, the closer I get"

      Yep. It's not the OP's photo so there's nothing he can do.
    7. Uncleskinny
      Uncleskinny
      Re: Morrissey tshirt with the queen "The more you ignore me, the closer I get"

      They disagreed with that permission so much that they used it on TTY. There is a clear artistic direction here. But, I will get some legal clarity on it.

      P.
    8. Anonymous
      Anonymous
      Re: Morrissey tshirt with the queen "The more you ignore me, the closer I get"

      Sorry to say, but unless you own either/both images used to cobble together this fun photoshop project, there is not much that can be done. Should have given them a value on your time from the get go or even asked for life long passes to gigs.
      My legal advise is to email the person who contacted you and let them know what you want., Unless this shirt sells like the new World of Warcraft (which it won't), don't bother trying to find a lawyer who will handle this case as it is evident you actually do not own the right of the images M used for his shirt.
    9. Anonymous
      Anonymous
      Re: Morrissey tshirt with the queen "The more you ignore me, the closer I get"

      It's very impolite to open negotiations, and then do it anyway, but on the other hand - do you own the copyright of the naked Morrissey photo? Do you own the copyright of the royal family photo?
      No - you just nicked them.
      I know you weren't trying to make money off the initial image, but you are in very dodgy artistic ownership territory here, so I can see arguments either way.
    10. Anonymous
      Anonymous
      Re: Morrissey tshirt with the queen "The more you ignore me, the closer I get"

      So - you stole two pictures, they stole your idea. Cool shirt though, could like one.
    11. CrystalGeezer
      CrystalGeezer
      Re: Morrissey tshirt with the queen "The more you ignore me, the closer I get"

      Perhaps, but it shows that Morrissey's design team doesn't respect the intellectual property and by extension the integrity of the original artist. The guy sounds like a douche looking for a buck, that hatch job probably took less than five minutes to paste together, but the people PROFITING from the spirit of the image should follow the unspoken rule of dumdums who don't slap a copyright on an image to NOT rip it off. At the end of the day it makes Team Morrissey look like a bunch of money-grubbing scumbags.

      - - - Updated - - -

      He created an original collage. Ask Linder for details on this issue.
    12. Anonymous
      Anonymous
      Re: Morrissey tshirt with the queen "The more you ignore me, the closer I get"

      Using a picture of Morrissey that he commissioned, and applying the image to another photo (a different photo) than what was used is hardly grounds for legal action.
      If someone used the M's lyrics/vocal track of "Trouble Loves Me" and layered it over a calypso beat (yes, we are all waiting for THAT to happen) and then M decides to put out a record of "Trouble Loves Me" over a calypso beat, the person who thought about the idea and even put out a version (without consent), stand no ground.
      I know you came on here and shared your story, which is admirable, but please don't bother listening to those who are quick to press charges a the drop of a dime. They have an odd pent up anger that only their psychiatrists and mums might be able to explain.
    13. marred
      marred
      Re: Morrissey tshirt with the queen "The more you ignore me, the closer I get"

      If the person who mocked up the original Royal family w/Moz photo created it without Morrissey's permission then it's not their work to begin with. Morrissey owns the "I'm Throwing My Arms Around Paris" artwork and he can do what he likes with it. The Queen may have a gripe but I doubt she'll bother. Or were you offering your services to the Queen?

      That's great that you're married to a lawyer. It sounds like you're the one who may need the legal advice before you sign up to help someone who stole copyrighted artwork in the first place.

      A little quick out of the gate there.
    14. Uncleskinny
      Uncleskinny
      Re: Morrissey tshirt with the queen "The more you ignore me, the closer I get"

      Nope. Carry on.

      P.
    15. CrystalGeezer
      CrystalGeezer
      Also, he has a case. The fact that they contacted him asking to use the image shows they KNEW they needed permission to use it. To then turn around and make a second version with the queen wearing a different dress doesn't change the fact they were aware of the original artist's name/contact info/etc...

      It's a mess, and for what? The queen wins AGAIN.
    16. marred
      marred
      Re: Morrissey tshirt with the queen "The more you ignore me, the closer I get"

      Original artist, are you kidding or what? Some dude grabs a pic of the Royal family and a pic of Moz and photoshops them together and that's art that they supposedly own? Come off it CG. The original (cough, splutter) artist does not have a photoshopped leg to stand on. Just because you make a collage and post it on the net, it doesn't make it copyrighted. If he was so precious about it he never would've posted it in the first place.

      I will be buying one of these shirts for sure :)
    17. CrystalGeezer
      CrystalGeezer
    18. Anonymous
      Anonymous
      Re: Morrissey tshirt with the queen "The more you ignore me, the closer I get"

      £25 selling price, so that's what - £22 profit per shirt sold? I wonder how much they will make altogether.
      Look on the bright side. Thanks to you, Morrissey's 5 star hotel bill will be paid for a couple of nights on this tour. :)
    19. marred
      marred
      Re: Morrissey tshirt with the queen "The more you ignore me, the closer I get"

      No please do carry on and let us all know how the case goes.

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