Morrissey Poster in today's NME

Re: Ruffian or Johnny HELP!

> There you go girl.. all sorted out, and not a dickie bird of a word from
> me either.. Q has the CD, NME has the poster, and I have a massive
> erection to sort out. A chainsaw and a ladder should see the top of it off
> though.. My poor neglected garden of course. Nothing like a good bush
> trim.

OMG LOL, Actually your post gave me a great idea about the problem of buying a magazine with Kylie M on it. Send Mr. LGDaC to buy it.
 
Re: Ruffian or Johnny HELP!

> OMG LOL, Actually your post gave me a great idea about the problem of
> buying a magazine with Kylie M on it. Send Mr. LGDaC to buy it.

Well.. glad my counselling helped.. Finally, you've come to the right solutionh to a potentially embarrassing and tricky situation!

Who'd have thought you'd be so shy. I've seen what baseball fans can be like (is that your bag?) having spent a great night at Wrigley field. One of my favourite sportin crowd anecdotes.. Get me in a bar and I'll give my impression of american 'youth' expressing themselves!

Ruffian
 
Re: Ruffian or Johnny HELP!

> Well.. glad my counselling helped.. Finally, you've come to the right
> solutionh to a potentially embarrassing and tricky situation!

> Who'd have thought you'd be so shy.
blushing, More importantly, you never know who you might run into at Barnes and Noble or Borders and I have a certain reputation to uphold.

>
You should go to hockey or football games. We get the Cubbies games here and the people in the bleachers really seem to have a lot of fun.
One of my favourite sportin crowd anecdotes.. Get me in a bar and I'll give my
> impression of american 'youth' expressing themselves!
OK, I have to hear it. Next time your in Glen Ridge look me up.
> Ruffian
 
> THE PENIS MIGHTIER THAN THE SWORD...

> And a centre srpead of Morrissey for your bedsit walls.. (but don't let
> your Mum see the word PENIS or she might be offended!)

> Go buy it if you like b&w Morrissey pictures.. and while you're there, get
> the Q Magazine Best of 2003 CD as well.. It's packed full of good songs!!

> Your champion of the newsagent..
> Ruffian

and a Ghostbusters poster too!
 
Re: Ruffian or Johnny HELP!

> blushing, More importantly, you never know who you might run into at
> Barnes and Noble or Borders and I have a certain reputation to uphold.

> >
> You should go to hockey or football games. We get the Cubbies games here
> and the people in the bleachers really seem to have a lot of fun.
> One of my favourite sportin crowd anecdotes.. Get me in a bar and I'll
> give my
> OK, I have to hear it. Next time your in Glen Ridge look me up.

You'd sh1t your knickers if I turned up at Glen Ridge with my heavy dirty rucksack a dangling bewtixt me thighs!

Ruffian

PS, My teams would be.. Chicago Cubs/New England Patriots/San Antonio SPURS!
 
Re: Ruffian HELP!

> You'd sh1t your knickers if I turned up at Glen Ridge with my heavy dirty
> rucksack a dangling bewtixt me thighs!
Hmmm maybe, but after 4+ years of being subjected to various known and unknown stains, candy wrappers, and gum my rucksack is probably a little riper than yours. Although having it dangling between your thighs kind of alarms me.

> Ruffian

> PS, My teams would be.. Chicago Cubs/New England Patriots/San Antonio
> SPURS!
I like the Cubbies. They are my favorite NL team. I really don't know much about football(Giants) and even less about basketball(Nets).
 
Re: Ruffian HELP!

> Hmmm maybe, but after 4+ years of being subjected to various known and
> unknown stains, candy wrappers, and gum my rucksack is probably a little
> riper than yours. Although having it dangling between your thighs kind of
> alarms me.

I think my attempt at 'Carry On' humour there was missed.. My rucksack in this sense, and no offence 'Let's Go', was a metaphor for big testicles! haha

> I like the Cubbies. They are my favorite NL team. I really don't know much
> about football(Giants) and even less about basketball(Nets).

Nor do I.. all I know is that, when in the States, do what the states people do.. go and catch a ball game of whatever flavour and be entertained.. And the weathers nicer! Just remembered as well, Did see the Yankess play in Florida last year.. against lowly Tampa Bay Rays. the place was full of Yankee fans, so I did the honourable British underdog thing and supported the Rays! They predictably lost.

Ruffian

Ruffian
 
Re: Ruffian HELP!

> I think my attempt at 'Carry On' humour there was missed.. My rucksack in
> this sense, and no offence 'Let's Go', was a metaphor for big testicles!
> haha
No, I got it, but please don't tell anyone because I have this sweet and innocent reputation to uphold but I could never let on of course. If everything is in proportion your right, I would!!!
> Nor do I.. all I know is that, when in the States, do what the states
> people do.. go and catch a ball game of whatever flavour and be
> entertained.. And the weathers nicer! Just remembered as well, Did see the
> Yankess play in Florida last year.. against lowly Tampa Bay Rays. the
> place was full of Yankee fans, so I did the honourable British underdog
> thing and supported the Rays! They predictably lost.
Tampa Bay is so nice. 2 weeks ago I was in Florida and it was in the mid 80's and the water in the Gulf was like bathwater.
I feel badly for the Rays because they do finish in last place but they are a new team, with an Ex-Yankee as a manager! I'm kind of surprised the Rays lost because the Yanks have a really hard time with them.

> Ruffian

> Ruffian
 
Re: Ruffian HELP!

> No, I got it, but please don't tell anyone because I have this sweet and
> innocent reputation to uphold but I could never let on of course. If
> everything is in proportion your right, I would!!!
> Tampa Bay is so nice. 2 weeks ago I was in Florida and it was in the mid
> 80's and the water in the Gulf was like bathwater.
> I feel badly for the Rays because they do finish in last place but they
> are a new team, with an Ex-Yankee as a manager! I'm kind of surprised the
> Rays lost because the Yanks have a really hard time with them.

You understood my innuendo and was not offended! Nice one.. They're talking about having an innuendo box installed here.. 10p for every offence. I'd be a poor man at the end of term tho!

And sweet and innocenet reputation? You're joking mate.. you're the talk of Salford at the moment with your wanton ways! Well, in my imagination at least.

The chant was, from a hoarse throated youth in a baseball cap 'TAMPA BAY' to which a baying crowd would growl 'RAYS!.. More Yanks there though.

Still a nice evening out for a few bob.
Ruffian
 
Re: Ruffian HELP!

> You understood my innuendo and was not offended! Nice one.. They're
> talking about having an innuendo box installed here.. 10p for every
> offence. I'd be a poor man at the end of term tho!
If they do that I'm in just as much trouble as you are.
I wasn't offended at all. I WAS envisioning the scenerio you described and it got a smile on my face.

> And sweet and innocenet reputation? You're joking mate.. you're the talk
> of Salford at the moment with your wanton ways! Well, in my imagination at
> least.
Yes thats me, and the incident in Salford must have been my evil twin sister or it could have been the time someone spiked my drink and therefore couldn't be responsible for my actions.
> The chant was, from a hoarse throated youth in a baseball cap 'TAMPA BAY'
> to which a baying crowd would growl 'RAYS!.. More Yanks there though.
You have to go to a Hockey game.
There are a lot of transplants in Florida from the NY area. I went to an Spring training game at the Braves stadium against the Yanks and there were more Yankee fans and they were really bad.

> Still a nice evening out for a few bob.
> Ruffian
 
Re: Ruffian HELP!

> If they do that I'm in just as much trouble as you are.

Don't say that or you'll end biting off much more than you chew if you take me on in that field!

> I wasn't offended at all. I WAS envisioning the scenerio you described and
> it got a smile on my face.

You're one of those 'you can say or tell me anthing and I'm unshockable' types aren't you.. A smile as wide as a mile is nice on anyone's face though.

> Yes thats me, and the incident in Salford must have been my evil twin
> sister or it could have been the time someone spiked my drink and
> therefore couldn't be responsible for my actions.

Oh dear, if she's over here, your twin I mean, send her over for some extra English Education! A command of the tongue is definitely required.

> You have to go to a Hockey game.

Yeah, we all like a fight don't we.. Hockey games or McCANN Versus the Stranglers Bouncers.. I know which one I'd have liked to see!

Rugby dinner dance
Ruffian
 
> I had to chuckle at chat.. nice onbesrvation humour.. See, even the Danes
> have a better sense of humour.famously eclipsing the Swedes/Germans in
> that field as well.. Like, mY German mate Anita, bless 'er, didn't
> understand why the name 'Willie Stroker' was so amusing.

> See posts above.. NME has Kylie on it.. Q has the CD and Briney in leather
> chaps.. which is not a bad thing.

> Ruffian

Hey Ruffian,

You don't have to send the poster - I just bought NME yesterday! :)) Mmm, is that a nice poster... I think it is! Yummie!

It's going up! .. on the wall, that is ;-) hehe

mozzergirl
 
> Hey Ruffian,

> You don't have to send the poster - I just bought NME yesterday! :)) Mmm,
> is that a nice poster... I think it is! Yummie!

> It's going up! .. on the wall, that is ;-) hehe

> mozzergirl

Am I the only one who hates the NME for their shocking piece of so called journalism 'Flying the flag or flirting with disaster'. A number of lyrics in Paint A Vulgar Picture come to mind.
 
> Am I the only one who hates the NME for their shocking piece of so called
> journalism 'Flying the flag or flirting with disaster'. A number of lyrics
> in Paint A Vulgar Picture come to mind.

I understand your point but personally I think we all should move on from this. Love it or loathe it NME is the best weekly music mag there is.

It was a magazine that was VERY supportive of The Smiths for a number of years and gave them almost saturation coverage during their career.

I am not codoning their witch hunt of Morrissey. It was sensationalist journalism at his worst.

If I was asked honestly if Moz had himself brought about any criticism over the years by his own actions I would say "yes".
He has made mistakes in his career just like every other human being has.

There is nothing more soul destroying in life than hanging on to old resentments. It is futile in the extreme and only harms the harbourer of such grudges.

There are few people left at NME from that era and a lot of the newer staff are BIG Smiths fans.

Morrisey has always felt he gets really bad press in this country but he doesn't.He has a lot of supporters on all of the various music mags.

He has a persecution complex which at times does not stand up to srutiny.Morrissey has been badly let down in the past by people he trusted but 99% of the poulation have had at least some experience of this type of thing.

Age and experience can change ones outlook on life. For Morrisseys sake I hope it will for him.

As he said on the wonderful "Ammunition":-

"I've no space or time in my life anymore for revenge ".
 
> I understand your point but personally I think we all should move on from
> this. Love it or loathe it NME is the best weekly music mag there is.

> It was a magazine that was VERY supportive of The Smiths for a number of
> years and gave them almost saturation coverage during their career.

> I am not codoning their witch hunt of Morrissey. It was sensationalist
> journalism at his worst.

> If I was asked honestly if Moz had himself brought about any criticism
> over the years by his own actions I would say "yes".
> He has made mistakes in his career just like every other human being has.

> There is nothing more soul destroying in life than hanging on to old
> resentments. It is futile in the extreme and only harms the harbourer of
> such grudges.

> There are few people left at NME from that era and a lot of the newer
> staff are BIG Smiths fans.

> Morrisey has always felt he gets really bad press in this country but he
> doesn't.He has a lot of supporters on all of the various music mags.

> He has a persecution complex which at times does not stand up to
> srutiny.Morrissey has been badly let down in the past by people he trusted
> but 99% of the poulation have had at least some experience of this type of
> thing.

> Age and experience can change ones outlook on life. For Morrisseys sake I
> hope it will for him.

> As he said on the wonderful "Ammunition":-

> "I've no space or time in my life anymore for revenge ".

Some very good points made there indeed which I've overlooked, loyalty really can make you a bit blind at times.
 
> Some very good points made there indeed which I've overlooked, loyalty
> really can make you a bit blind at times.

I'm not having a go at the big fella.I have fought his corner in one form or another for 20 years.

The fact that he does nake mistakes,the fact that he can be so bloody minded and stubborn are all part of the Moz idiosyncrasies that make up the package we love so much.

I for one can see many of my own foibles in Morrissey and as I said before the hardest one to battle against at times has been justified resentments.
 
Well, this is the first time in ages I’m addressing the old NME/Moz war. I think that now after 11 and half years I can also see things more clearly, and surely so can Moz himself and the NME ex- staff (I don’t think many of those infamous people still works for the mag). I think I still have a copy of that rag in my parents’ house, because after I read it I shut it in a drawer, never to open it again. The fact is that I was there at Finsbury Park, and I witnessed what happened from start to finish. How many of you were there? It was a horrible day to everyone. I watched Morrissey’s gig squeezed in the pit next to a girl who fainted over me at least 3 times. Moz was being pelted with any suitable object people could find. The audience was extremely hostile. When I saw him wrapped in that flag I felt like jumping on the stage and tear it to pieces and shout to him “What the heck are you doing to yourself you moron!”. I left soon after Morrissey’s show, amazed that I was still alive and well. While I was getting out Moz’s Mercedes brushed past myself and I caught a glimpse of him on the back seat (I think his mother or his sister was driving), he was doubled up with his head buried in his arms. I didn’t bother him. He looked so shattered he would have probably told me to piss off. I just thought “Why is he doing this to himself? He has a new awesome record out, this could be the final victory over all his enemies, a smashing worldwide hit, and he’s destroying everything for what?”. He should have expected what was to follow. I had, though I was only 16 at that time. A few years later, in one of those “Q and A” interviews in some British magazine he was asked what his worse defect was. He said “Unlimited self-sabotage”. Well, what he did at Finsbury Park was a spectacular exhibition of his worse defect!
Having said that, what the NME (and all the British press) did to him was horrible and shameful. What irked me most is that when Speedway came out all those horrible people giggled and congratulated to each other almost saying “Hee hee we really hit him hard with that stuff. He’s still bearing grudges against us!”. I’m sure the former NME chief editor is still going around proudly saying that he’s responsible for Moz moving to the States. And I’m not sure that Morrissey has really forgotten and forgiven. It’s not like him.
 
NME

I don't like the fact it has become a Smash Hits-style glossy pop mag.

A refelection of the so-called "alternative" music scene these day, I suppose.

> Am I the only one who hates the NME for their shocking piece of so called
> journalism 'Flying the flag or flirting with disaster'. A number of lyrics
> in Paint A Vulgar Picture come to mind.
 
> Well, this is the first time in ages I’m addressing the old NME/Moz war. I
> think that now after 11 and half years I can also see things more clearly,
> and surely so can Moz himself and the NME ex- staff (I don’t think many of
> those infamous people still works for the mag). I think I still have a
> copy of that rag in my parents’ house, because after I read it I shut it
> in a drawer, never to open it again. The fact is that I was there at
> Finsbury Park, and I witnessed what happened from start to finish. How
> many of you were there? It was a horrible day to everyone. I watched
> Morrissey’s gig squeezed in the pit next to a girl who fainted over me at
> least 3 times. Moz was being pelted with any suitable object people could
> find. The audience was extremely hostile. When I saw him wrapped in that
> flag I felt like jumping on the stage and tear it to pieces and shout to
> him “What the heck are you doing to yourself you moron!”. I left soon
> after Morrissey’s show, amazed that I was still alive and well. While I
> was getting out Moz’s Mercedes brushed past myself and I caught a glimpse
> of him on the back seat (I think his mother or his sister was driving), he
> was doubled up with his head buried in his arms. I didn’t bother him. He
> looked so shattered he would have probably told me to piss off. I just
> thought “Why is he doing this to himself? He has a new awesome record out,
> this could be the final victory over all his enemies, a smashing worldwide
> hit, and he’s destroying everything for what?”. He should have expected
> what was to follow. I had, though I was only 16 at that time. A few years
> later, in one of those “Q and A” interviews in some British magazine he
> was asked what his worse defect was. He said “Unlimited self-sabotage”.
> Well, what he did at Finsbury Park was a spectacular exhibition of his
> worse defect!
> Having said that, what the NME (and all the British press) did to him was
> horrible and shameful. What irked me most is that when Speedway came out
> all those horrible people giggled and congratulated to each other almost
> saying “Hee hee we really hit him hard with that stuff. He’s still bearing
> grudges against us!”. I’m sure the former NME chief editor is still going
> around proudly saying that he’s responsible for Moz moving to the States.
> And I’m not sure that Morrissey has really forgotten and forgiven. It’s
> not like him.

Thanks for that. I can't disagree with any of your sentiments there.There has never been a more avid reader of the British music press than Morrissey and I fail to believe he would not be aware of the furore his actions would have caused on that day.

He would never admit to it but I will guaramtee you that privately Morrissey bitterly regrets the events of that day.

Anyone with even the remotest interest in British music was aware of the right wing nazi element that attached themselves to Madness and if there was one day NOT to fly a Union Jack then this was it.

Madness themselves have done everything they can over the years to disassociate themselves from this group of fans.

You are spot on about it being a pivotal point in Morrissey's career and the one event that lost him more fans than any other.
 
> Well, this is the first time in ages I’m addressing the old NME/Moz war. I
> think that now after 11 and half years I can also see things more clearly,
> and surely so can Moz himself and the NME ex- staff (I don’t think many of
> those infamous people still works for the mag). I think I still have a
> copy of that rag in my parents’ house, because after I read it I shut it
> in a drawer, never to open it again. The fact is that I was there at
> Finsbury Park, and I witnessed what happened from start to finish. How
> many of you were there? It was a horrible day to everyone. I watched
> Morrissey’s gig squeezed in the pit next to a girl who fainted over me at
> least 3 times. Moz was being pelted with any suitable object people could
> find. The audience was extremely hostile. When I saw him wrapped in that
> flag I felt like jumping on the stage and tear it to pieces and shout to
> him “What the heck are you doing to yourself you moron!”. I left soon
> after Morrissey’s show, amazed that I was still alive and well. While I
> was getting out Moz’s Mercedes brushed past myself and I caught a glimpse
> of him on the back seat (I think his mother or his sister was driving), he
> was doubled up with his head buried in his arms. I didn’t bother him. He
> looked so shattered he would have probably told me to piss off. I just
> thought “Why iÿÿ
 
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