Morrissey on BBC 6 Music Live 2017 (Oct. 2, 2017, Maida Vale, London) - reminder / reports

Cornflakes · Oct 2, 2017

MILKISMURDER said:
What is right wing and/or racist about opposing an illiberal and oppressive ideology?

When it's transparently nothing more than a cover for wanting to oppress a minority.

Gregor Samsa · Oct 2, 2017

Where does one access the video footage of this?

bandrus1 · Oct 2, 2017

I cant find the vid any longer but audio is here

http://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/b096yhdb

Anonymous · Oct 2, 2017

Johnny Barleycorn said:
I liked this because I like the idea that someone would support a terrorist sympathiser.

yawn

MILKISMURDER · Oct 2, 2017

Looks like the concert setlist will be very similar. bar the new songs and The Pretenders cover all the tracks were regulars on the last tour.

BrummieBoy · Oct 2, 2017

Surface said:
Jesus, i only liked one track off that album at least two i heard today were better than anything off WPINOYB. Wonder why he feels he has to be such an awkward f***er. New Order really thought about their set when they played 6 music live, blending new tracks from Music Complete with big hitters from their back catalogue. It helped in the promotion of their new album, which became their biggest seller for years. No shite tracks from poor albums, no covers, no stupid comments about UKIP, just a great show which landed very well.

A huge opportunity missed by Morrissey today but it will be everyone else's fault if the album fails.

The difference is New Order have a healthy, balanced view of their place in music, giving weight to their past glories, their influence & their desire to carry on creating. But Morrissey just doesn't have that overview. He sees himself as a victim of a vast conspiracy to stop his new music being heard. He really thinks it's better than his hey-day. The problem is his audience clearly signal to him that they prefer some areas of his catalogue more than others. He just ignores them.

The album is already a failure. We've heard half of it, extremely unlikely the remaining half is radically different. It's just another batch of mediocre Morrissey songs. It will be interesting to see how he copes with general indifference to these songs. Will he revert to his paranoid conspiracy theories? Blame the label, media, etc? Or will he finally accept that his backing band simply cannot write the songs which would give him the large audience he clearly craves?

Fawdy · Oct 2, 2017

Sidnettle said:
It's f*** you if you don't want a fairer society - for obvious reasons.

Well, its hardly contentious to suggest that for a Jew in the UK Corbyn isn't the man for a fairer society. Equally, if you felt that Remaining in the EU was important for fairness then again Corbyn's natural Euroscepticism and his quite pathetic efforts pre-referendum would mean he's not your man. Actually, his Euro-scepticism would make him much more palatable to Morrissey.

Sidnettle · Oct 2, 2017

Fawdy said:
Well, its hardly contentious to suggest that for a Jew in the UK Corbyn isn't the man for a fairer society. Equally, if you felt that Remaining in the EU was important for fairness then again Corbyn's natural Euroscepticism and his quite pathetic efforts pre-referendum would mean he's not your man. Actually, his Euro-scepticism would make him much more palatable to Morrissey.

When has Jeremy made anti-Jewish statements? I hope you are not conflating opposing the persecution of the Palestinians with anti-Semitism.

Sidnettle · Oct 2, 2017

Fawdy said:
Well, its hardly contentious to suggest that for a Jew in the UK Corbyn isn't the man for a fairer society. Equally, if you felt that Remaining in the EU was important for fairness then again Corbyn's natural Euroscepticism and his quite pathetic efforts pre-referendum would mean he's not your man. Actually, his Euro-scepticism would make him much more palatable to Morrissey.

He's always been Eurosceptic. He was toeing the party line.

bandrus1 · Oct 2, 2017

BrummieBoy said:
The difference is New Order have a healthy, balanced view of their place in music, giving weight to their past glories, their influence & their desire to carry on creating. But Morrissey just doesn't have that overview. He sees himself as a victim of a vast conspiracy to stop his new music being heard. He really thinks it's better than his hey-day. The problem is his audience clearly signal to him that they prefer some areas of his catalogue more than others. He just ignores them.

The album is already a failure. We've heard half of it, extremely unlikely the remaining half is radically different. It's just another batch of mediocre Morrissey songs. It will be interesting to see how he copes with general indifference to these songs. Will he revert to his paranoid conspiracy theories? Blame the label, media, etc? Or will he finally accept that his backing band simply cannot write the songs which would give him the large audience he clearly craves?

Although I think a few of the new songs are pretty good and I even liked a few off WPINOYP this post is sadly pretty true.... I am very happy he has not mailed it in and is making new music and not playing just the hits and relying on Smiths songs but bottom line is he is not surrounded by the talent to bring the best of himself out.

Irregular Regular · Oct 2, 2017

Of all the new songs unveiled so far I only liked a couple on first listen - Wish You Lonely and Home Is A Question Mark.
The rest may or may not grow on me.
All The Young People... is downright awful.

Fawdy · Oct 2, 2017

Sidnettle said:
When has Jeremy made anti-Jewish statements? I hope you are not conflating opposing the persecution of the Palestinians with anti-Semitism.

Are you denying there is any problem with Jeremy's Labour party and anti-semitism? I think there is and, I think, most other people who want a fair society believe there are such problems. Maybe you haven't noticed.

Fawdy · Oct 2, 2017

Sidnettle said:
He's always been Eurosceptic. He was toeing the party line.

Oh, is that the new form of honest politics? So he said he wanted to Remain but really he wanted Brexit and lied to us. It is encouraging that you can see his dishonesty over this one - most of the new Middle-class Corbynites tend to bury their heads in the sand over his Euroscepticism. Thanks for your honesty, shame about the sainted Jeremy.

EllisFirestone · Oct 2, 2017

Fawdy said:
Are you denying there is any problem with Jeremy's Labour party and anti-semitism? I think there is and, I think, most other people who want a fair society believe there are such problems. Maybe you haven't noticed.

I will not have the good names of gruppenfuhrer Corbyn and Oberleutnant Abbot besmirched..there is no problem with anti-semitism, they are all really good at it...boom boom

MILKISMURDER · Oct 2, 2017

Cornflakes said:
When it's transparently nothing more than a cover for wanting to oppress a minority.

So as a woman, an infidel and a lesbian she doesn’t have good grounds to fear those who take Stone Age morality seriously?

Gregor Samsa · Oct 2, 2017

bandrus1 said:
I cant find the vid any longer but audio is here

http://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/b096yhdb

Thanks. Does this include the interview?

BrummieBoy · Oct 2, 2017

Reaction to Morrissey's troll-fest:

http://www.nme.com/news/morrissey-backs-anti-islam-ukip-politician-6-music-session-2146381

http://thequietus.com/articles/23308-morrissey-anne-marie-waters-ukip-support

Cornflakes · Oct 2, 2017

MILKISMURDER said:
So as a woman, an infidel and a lesbian she doesn’t have good grounds to fear those who take Stone Age morality seriously?

Who is it you think she is afraid of?

Surface · Oct 2, 2017

BrummieBoy said:
Reaction to Morrissey's troll-fest:

http://www.nme.com/news/morrissey-backs-anti-islam-ukip-politician-6-music-session-2146381

http://thequietus.com/articles/23308-morrissey-anne-marie-waters-ukip-support

That's what he wanted, publicity but because he is out of touch, it's bad publicity and will add to list of people who think he is a prick.

Anonymous · Oct 2, 2017

Uncleskinny said:
He said he was disappointed that anti-Islam candidate and friend of the EDL Anne Marie Waters didn't win the recent UKIP leadership contest

Except he didn't say that.

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