mozmic_dancer
One of the Good Guys
I voted Morrissey for Poster of the Year and you'll get no apologies from me either 
Morrissey in disguise
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Royalties go to the songwriter. If the whole band writes the songs together then yes, of course it should be distributed evenly but if drummer and bassist just play along to finished compositions why on earth would they get the same share? No way.
lilybett
Pheobe W Caulfield
He obv comes here or else how would he have known to play Don't Make Fun Of Daddy's Voice for Miss Lilybett?!
No but really. For him to have commented on us (so low), he must have been at least once. And seriously, if there was a whole board somewhere about you, how would you be able to resist having a sneaky peek from time to time?
Hullo, Morrissey.
No but really. For him to have commented on us (so low), he must have been at least once. And seriously, if there was a whole board somewhere about you, how would you be able to resist having a sneaky peek from time to time?
Hullo, Morrissey.
Well you haven't got much of a band without a drummer and bass guitarist! Morrissey was not The Smiths! It took three other members to help create the Smiths! Morrissey need three other members to create music to suit his lyrics and both the lyrics and music flowed together beautifully! Joyce deserves as much money from The Smiths as Morrissey does, whether you or he (Morrissey) likes it or not!
Merry X-Mas Moz, I'm suuuuuure you will be reading this soon. I just wanna say I am taking back that stupid stuff I posted about you being chubby and too old for me. I was wrong. I changed my mind. Please forgive me. LOVE
Danny
Senior Member
I think you need to read a bit more into who did what in The Smiths. And also what the real issues were in the court case.
The reason Morrissey doesn't like this site is because in the past there have been false rumours about him which seem to have been encouraged by the site.
One would have to know how this is usually handeld with bands. I mean, some bands have people on stage that aren't even part of the band. (Placebo for example). Obviously those guys are needed for the sound but are not part of the songwriting process and I doubt they are getting ANY royalties at all.
But just imagine yourself as a songrwiter and tell me you would honestly think it would be fair that people who do not write the songs get the same share. It may sound harsh but drummers are more replaceable than singers and you don't do much songwriting on a drumkit, nor on a bass. There is a difference, I believe.
I'm not interested in what went on, I would like this to be put to bed, it's dragged on for years, it's boring to be frank, I however read and will read more into The Smiths!
Very true, I suppose, but the fact they were part of The Smiths for the duration of The Smiths should mean more than a 10% cut! My take on bands is that all members should get the same, equal pay, but obviously greed takes hold and you get this nonsense! I don't know what went on, so the chances are I'm speaking utter tripe, but that's my take on things! Maybe I'm utopian, a fool some might say!
Puddle
Banned
A Utopia? i wouldn't want to be part of your utopia if it meant someone else gets credit and compensation for something they didn't do. Joyce did not write the music...so he 'deserves' less.
Suzanne
New Member
it used to be that i was convinced that morrissey came here quite often and read stuff. this used to inspire me to contribute in a good way because i thought that was fun.
these days, i don't really tend to think that he reads that much.
i know it sounds strange considering there is no proof either way and he has made his presence known through TTY and such, but i think that's just it. i used to think it was a story that he relied upon people to be his gatekeeper and to pick out the "nice" stuff for him to read. I think julia fills that function just by giving a synopsis to him of what those mean old people said about her on the internet. how would she know except that she comes here?
and why else would she come here? if you personally had a pipeline of moz news and were getting emails directly from him and is given free access to the shows to go hang out with him, you'd lose interest in this site fairly quickly. ok, except for the braggarts that would come here and let everybody know about it. the only reasons i could think of why she would come here is that either morrissey asked her to in a bid to pick out messages OR she likes to find the mean things people say about her, write to moz and let him know so that the two of them can be buddies in torment thanks to this website.
anyway, my current fantasy world is one where moz doesn't come here, isn't bothered by any of it, and has friends hunting and pecking "nice" messages. whether it is actually Julia or some Italian flavor of the month, i don't know. i figure that even if i did say sweet things they wouldn't be forwarded on anyway. i'd probably be seen as a Davidt cronie or that girl that once said something bad about this one thing that is on Morrissey's list of unforgivable curses and should be ignored as a traitor.
Either way, conforming to that ideal is too demanding. i don't care what people say in morrissey being a gentle giant and all that. morrissey is his own guy and there are a lot of things you can do to royally piss him off just from being yourself (such as if you ate meat or liked modern music). If morrissey truly has his feelings hurt by what i say, then i'm glad he doesn't come here. if he does actually come here and read it regardless, that's his own fault for continuing.
these days, i don't really tend to think that he reads that much.
i know it sounds strange considering there is no proof either way and he has made his presence known through TTY and such, but i think that's just it. i used to think it was a story that he relied upon people to be his gatekeeper and to pick out the "nice" stuff for him to read. I think julia fills that function just by giving a synopsis to him of what those mean old people said about her on the internet. how would she know except that she comes here?
and why else would she come here? if you personally had a pipeline of moz news and were getting emails directly from him and is given free access to the shows to go hang out with him, you'd lose interest in this site fairly quickly. ok, except for the braggarts that would come here and let everybody know about it. the only reasons i could think of why she would come here is that either morrissey asked her to in a bid to pick out messages OR she likes to find the mean things people say about her, write to moz and let him know so that the two of them can be buddies in torment thanks to this website.
anyway, my current fantasy world is one where moz doesn't come here, isn't bothered by any of it, and has friends hunting and pecking "nice" messages. whether it is actually Julia or some Italian flavor of the month, i don't know. i figure that even if i did say sweet things they wouldn't be forwarded on anyway. i'd probably be seen as a Davidt cronie or that girl that once said something bad about this one thing that is on Morrissey's list of unforgivable curses and should be ignored as a traitor.
Either way, conforming to that ideal is too demanding. i don't care what people say in morrissey being a gentle giant and all that. morrissey is his own guy and there are a lot of things you can do to royally piss him off just from being yourself (such as if you ate meat or liked modern music). If morrissey truly has his feelings hurt by what i say, then i'm glad he doesn't come here. if he does actually come here and read it regardless, that's his own fault for continuing.
This whole Joyce thing has sort of made me curious about the music business. I'd like to know how the percentages of the royalties are split in other bands. But how to find out?
but anyway - this seizing his mothers and sisters house thing that Moz writes about gives me the chills. Why, after that, is Morrissey considered the bad guy - I can't quite understand.
Well, it takes a loooot of time to read all these posts. As far as scanning
out nice messages or having Julia deliver them to him, why would he need this ego boost? It's pretty juvenile, isn't it?
He knows by now that he has many fans. He probably gets flooded with fan mail and love messages, gets recognised everywhere, probably feels harrassed by all the attention. I think when you are famous you crave for privacy. Music and fans are his job - would he be hanging out in fan forums in his free time? Some other celebrity was aked this question and his reply was that he likes porn sites too much to have the time to look at fan forums. No - never.
But then again - he really might be this weird. Because he calls us SoLow, he has been here.....
He's a mystery......
Morrissey didn't play drums, bass or guitar did he? I refer you to the fact that Mike Joyce's name is on every album The Smiths made. Morrissey probably makes a million in a few concerts, so I just don't understand why he doesn't give Joyce what he's owed and put it behind him, he strikes me as incredibly bitter with regards to this affair. It's very much childish behaviour, it just highlights the greed in the music business doesn't it, both on Joyce and Morrissey's part, although less so on Joyce's side as he was pretty much screwed over by Morrissey and Marr.
Morrissey is not branded a bad person, how do we know what he's like? We can only make assumptions about him, in this situatin Morrissey is in the wrong! He could be the better person by giving Joyce what he's owed and moving on with his life. This whole ordeal does cast shadow over The Smiths, which is a shame, because they were and are one of the best English bands to grace music.
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Danny
Senior Member
I'm sorry but that statement shows you know very little about how the music business works. Even the Rolling Stones don't make that sort of money.
Mike Joyce currently lives in a two million house in Cheshire. I don't think he is crying too much.
No I don't, if you look at my age, you'll probably see why. Morrissey must be incredibly rich either way, I'm sure from the tours he does he must make close to that region?
Whether Mike Joyce lives in a £6million house in Dubai makes little difference, his name was on the back of The Smiths albums, he should get what Marr and Morrissey get, same with Rourke. Joyce wasn't a session drummer, he was one quarter of The Smiths!
Morrissey is in the wrong, he should pay up and shut up!
I don't know but an individual who tries to seize someone's mothers and sisters houses is quite scary to me. I never understood Morrissey's extreme hatred towards Joyce and his 'whishing him the worst for the rest of his life' but after reading this I certainly do understand. It's pretty sick.
Suzanne
New Member
Years ago, he had a friend who came here and did that for him. Her name was Wendy Wu. She was a person that Morrissey was spotted in public with quite often and people would write about it because she would shoot fans nasty looks when they came up to talk to him. One day, she had enough of the people saying what they say and wrote a diatribe about it and in the process explained what she did for Morrissey.
She actually said that when she was printing out his birthday greetings that people post on the main page that she had to leave out some pages out of what she gave to morrissey because people slipped in their usual "happy birthday, you queer" sort of stuff, and since these "mean" messages were on the same sheet of paper after she printed it out as the nice ones, the nice messages had to suffer and get thrown away.
She said she was so tired of people saying stuff about her that she would never return here.
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Bluebirds
Well-Known Member
Morrissey, a little bit weird??? NEVER
As for these coments about him getting Bell-Boy to read some gushing diatribe about how useless a guitarist Jesse Tobias is.... well would you bother? I admit it'd be nice to think that he does frequent here but if he did I reckon he'd personally take notes of those who could be a slight menace to his life!
Then again he may use this site as a source of inspiration for his lyrics. I have an idea for a book with this website as a bit of an influence but sadly my wife beats me up and since that "A brief history of time" the batteries in my voice box failed.
As for these coments about him getting Bell-Boy to read some gushing diatribe about how useless a guitarist Jesse Tobias is.... well would you bother? I admit it'd be nice to think that he does frequent here but if he did I reckon he'd personally take notes of those who could be a slight menace to his life!
Then again he may use this site as a source of inspiration for his lyrics. I have an idea for a book with this website as a bit of an influence but sadly my wife beats me up and since that "A brief history of time" the batteries in my voice box failed.
Bluebirds
Well-Known Member
Cast a shadow over the Smiths Joyce v Morrissey/ Marr???
Hmm I don't think so as it all adds to the intrigue and helps permit the Smiths legacy to continue!!!
What I wanted to say really was the songs are the important thing. Did Mike Joyce write any Smiths song? NO. But he did drum on them, so he should be entitled to 25% performance royalties?
My personal opinion is that I don't think The Smiths are regarded as one of the greatest ever bands cos of Mike Joyce's drum patterns.
On the other hand the legal opinion is...
Hmm I don't think so as it all adds to the intrigue and helps permit the Smiths legacy to continue!!!
What I wanted to say really was the songs are the important thing. Did Mike Joyce write any Smiths song? NO. But he did drum on them, so he should be entitled to 25% performance royalties?
My personal opinion is that I don't think The Smiths are regarded as one of the greatest ever bands cos of Mike Joyce's drum patterns.
On the other hand the legal opinion is...
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