Morrissey found dead in funeral home

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Re: thanks from the bottom of my artichoke heart

> Why were you so ironic in the title of your post?

i wasn't. i was typing a reply to your post when i got hungry and went to the kitchen and saw a can of artichoke hearts near my cookie stash, and thought of it.

> All my body is naughty when I remember you.

that;s sort of, er..

> Oh, what a good doctor you are!

Ironic isn't it? Sadly, I have a higher accuracy rate in figuring out what is wrong with people than they do.

> Well, I take two remedies everyday: a Tylenol and another one
> against high pressure an hour before sleeping. I am addicted to
> them...

Oh.

> Well, it's just like the Beatles...

No it's not because this group would get rid of one singer and replace it with a better looking one.

> You know it isn't true...

> Oh, never. The five Teresas don't have the same age.

Yes, but even my own mom sometimes starts to call me by my sister's name even though there is one of me.

> Yes.

> No, of course. The great religions have the same basis, say the
> same important things. The fake religions disappeared.

> Why don't you really pray to your guy? Pray with faith that
> interesting things will happen to you.

Who is 'my guy'? Oh, the video store guy? I don't want to pray to a person. That's wrong.

> There's no religion without praying - I just can't understand
> how people that doesn't pray wants to discuss religion.

You pray to God, you don't pray to people. Prayer is a sign of worship, and people just don't fit in that category of things to worship. And I don't understand that concept. ARe these God's stand-ins if he becomes too busy?

> And what kind of guy do you think I am?

um...

> Yeah. That's why I prefer to see the american series like
> Dawson's Creek and Party of Five.

thats why i like the x-files, but when it goes off the air, i don't know what i'll do then. i only tolerate Malcolm in the middle because it;s sandwiched between the simpsons and x-files on sunday, but i haven't kept up with TV a whole lot. I feel out of the loop.

> Full of reason or full of faith?

neither. They are full of crap.

> Oh, I see. We only care about our Morrissey, that's true...

what else productive is there to do?

I got bored this weekend and actually bought Johnny Marr's latest Electronic album. It's not too bad and a few of the songs have grown on me...of course, i need more time to sit down with it and get through the subtleties. Much better than that stupid Clinton album. A couple of good songs, but it sounds like somebody got out their Wal-Mart special Casio keyboard and hit the demonstration button on it.

I can honestly say I do like a lot of his post smith's stuff, even if I'm not incredibly familiar with all of it. Those Billy Bragg songs he collaborated with were my favorites on the CD.

> I am a relieved..

> All your characteristics are qualities.

> Ok, but I am sure people who likes this kind of songs consider
> them "modern"...

You mean the Eric Clapton wannabes who hang around in guitar shops all day and noodle on the guitars? Christ, those people need to be retired.

Today, there are hardly any songs on the radio with extended and elaborate guitar solos.

> Almost everything material is consumable. We for example have
> our value as workers, and this signifies an amount of money.
> Music for me is true when has life in it - so it may represented
> by an amount of money too.

i'm talking about the packaging of a lifestyle. Even that Michael Bracewell article packaged him as the poor old lonelyheart who is hated by everyone, but also happens to have fine taste in furniture. Contrast that with him selling out concerts and having everyone climb on stage so they can rub themselves all over him. Even if very few of those people would have him for anything beyond casual sex, that is still more than what most of us get offered. Most people do not have much of a choice.

> Trading electric energy and trading a show has something in
> common: the trade.

ah...huh?
 
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Re: thanks from the bottom of my artichoke heart

> i wasn't. i was typing a reply to your post when i got hungry
> and went to the kitchen and saw a can of artichoke hearts near
> my cookie stash, and thought of it.

I would never imagined it. Sorry then...

> that;s sort of, er..

What? I want your impressions!

> Ironic isn't it? Sadly, I have a higher accuracy rate in
> figuring out what is wrong with people than they do.

I always said you are plenty of talents.

> Oh.

> No it's not because this group would get rid of one singer and
> replace it with a better looking one.

This is a really good thing to do. See the great singers of our time: Christina Aguillera, Natalie Imbruglia, Mariah Carey. They think the same way about music.

> Yes, but even my own mom sometimes starts to call me by my
> sister's name even though there is one of me.

My brother saw once my mother and her sisters making such a confusion with names that they called others by their own names... But you have to agree if everybody around you is called "Teresa" there's little misunderstandings to be expected, don't you think?

> Who is 'my guy'? Oh, the video store guy? I don't want to pray
> to a person. That's wrong.

Depends on the person, Suzanne.

> You pray to God, you don't pray to people. Prayer is a sign of
> worship, and people just don't fit in that category of things to
> worship.

If you believe in the History of Santa Teresa (quoted by Belle and Sebastian in one of the most beautiful songs ever, Are you feeling sinister?) you'll fit well in praying to her. She talked to Jesus.

>And I don't understand that concept. ARe these God's
> stand-ins if he becomes too busy?

No, for sure.

> um...

You never answer my important questions, Suzanne.

> thats why i like the x-files, but when it goes off the air, i
> don't know what i'll do then. i only tolerate Malcolm in the
> middle because it;s sandwiched between the simpsons and x-files
> on sunday, but i haven't kept up with TV a whole lot. I feel out
> of the loop.

I love Files-X too. I think the new series didn't begin in Brazil yet. And I have never heard about Malcolm. I watched some Simpsons some years ago but I stoped to watch it.

> neither. They are full of crap.

> what else productive is there to do?

To buy some Snoop Dogg's albums, I think.

> I got bored this weekend and actually bought Johnny Marr's
> latest Electronic album. It's not too bad and a few of the songs
> have grown on me...of course, i need more time to sit down with
> it and get through the subtleties.

I pratically never heard anything Johnny Marr played after Smiths. Perhaps I am a little bit hurted by the split of Smiths...

>Much better than that stupid
> Clinton album. A couple of good songs, but it sounds like
> somebody got out their Wal-Mart special Casio keyboard and hit
> the demonstration button on it.

Clinton album? What's that?

> I can honestly say I do like a lot of his post smith's stuff,
> even if I'm not incredibly familiar with all of it. Those Billy
> Bragg songs he collaborated with were my favorites on the CD.

Well, unfortunately it's not the type of songs I use to hear... you know, there's always a Black Sabbath or a Beatles or a Madredeus or a Robert Johnson song to hear before it...

> You mean the Eric Clapton wannabes who hang around in guitar
> shops all day and noodle on the guitars? Christ, those people
> need to be retired.

In Brazil this problem exists too...

> Today, there are hardly any songs on the radio with extended and
> elaborate guitar solos.

> i'm talking about the packaging of a lifestyle. Even that
> Michael Bracewell article packaged him as the poor old
> lonelyheart who is hated by everyone, but also happens to have
> fine taste in furniture. Contrast that with him selling out
> concerts and having everyone climb on stage so they can rub
> themselves all over him. Even if very few of those people would
> have him for anything beyond casual sex, that is still more than
> what most of us get offered. Most people do not have much of a
> choice.

But what is "more more than what most of us get offered" exactly? Kurt Cobain had all this things and he killed himself. Success simply doesn't change the way people see life. The happier people I have ever talked to were some Carmelites...

> ah...huh?

It's always business...




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Re: thanks from the bottom of my artichoke heart

> I would never imagined it. Sorry then...

I think your posts make me hungry. I just got some soup....hell, I lost a couple of pounds this week.

> What? I want your impressions!

Well you see Fabricio, hmm...

> I always said you are plenty of talents.

Never the useful ones or the ones that I want.

> This is a really good thing to do. See the great singers of our
> time: Christina Aguillera, Natalie Imbruglia, Mariah Carey. They
> think the same way about music.

True. Only beautiful people should sing.

> My brother saw once my mother and her sisters making such a
> confusion with names that they called others by their own
> names... But you have to agree if everybody around you is called
> "Teresa" there's little misunderstandings to be
> expected, don't you think?

Not if you start talking about something another Teresa did.

> Depends on the person, Suzanne.

> If you believe in the History of Santa Teresa (quoted by Belle
> and Sebastian in one of the most beautiful songs ever, Are you
> feeling sinister?) you'll fit well in praying to her. She talked
> to Jesus.

Lots of people talked to Jesus. He wasn't a snob. What people fail to realize when they talk about christianity and the ultra conservatives who hate everyone is that Jesus wasn't into that. He hung out with the dregs of society and treated them as equal to any person of royalty. He didn't shun them. He would have been the last person to stand outside a funeral for a gay man with a sign that says, "God hates fags."

I've heard of some who claimed they had a vision on their near-death bed and saw Jesus, and Jesus supposedly told them something to do. Guess what? I'm not going to pray to them.

> No, for sure.

> You never answer my important questions, Suzanne.

you learn that about me. i drive everyone batty.

> I love Files-X too. I think the new series didn't begin in
> Brazil yet. And I have never heard about Malcolm. I watched some
> Simpsons some years ago but I stoped to watch it.

oh well.

> To buy some Snoop Dogg's albums, I think.

> I pratically never heard anything Johnny Marr played after
> Smiths. Perhaps I am a little bit hurted by the split of
> Smiths...

oh fer crying in the beer....am I the only person on this board that does not really care if the split happened? But you've been following it much longer than I have.

All the stories people report back about the tour are starting to depress me a bit. It sounds like everyone is married with children or have slid into their yuppie life. I guess that shouldn't be a bad thing since we can't be young forever, but still, I have no business being in the adult world.

No wonder we get so many complaints about MTV around here. As my parents have their Judy Collins albums this listen to non stop, I have my Morrissey.

Someone I know had gotten one of those compilation CD's with hair metal music like Poison. The liner notes said something like, "as the teenagers of then hit the big 3-0, then they will have this album to keep them from turning into their parents."

> Clinton album? What's that?

The guys from Cornershop have a side project of Electronica.

> Well, unfortunately it's not the type of songs I use to hear...
> you know, there's always a Black Sabbath or a Beatles or a
> Madredeus or a Robert Johnson song to hear before it...

> In Brazil this problem exists too...

> But what is "more more than what most of us get
> offered" exactly? Kurt Cobain had all this things and he
> killed himself. Success simply doesn't change the way people see
> life. The happier people I have ever talked to were some
> Carmelites...

But think if everyone on this planet decided that happiness was nothing more than sitting around and feeling God. You would have no more albums of any kind period. There would be no point in seeing movies, getting out of bed in the morning, or falling in love. The human race would die off because nobody would have children. You have a need for everyday materialistic wants for a very good reason.
 
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Re: thanks from the bottom of my artichoke heart

> I think your posts make me hungry. I just got some soup....hell,
> I lost a couple of pounds this week.

But you don't need to lose weight!

I lost 8 kg of weight last month. I don't want to seem a pig when we'll meet.

> Well you see Fabricio, hmm...

You are exciting me...

> Never the useful ones or the ones that I want.

I have never had a useful talent either.

And you don't need to be talented to be an engineer.

At least, I am not talented.

> True. Only beautiful people should sing.

That's why you sing.

> Not if you start talking about something another Teresa did.

hehehe. They are so different that the way it will happen I'll be completely crazy.

> Lots of people talked to Jesus. He wasn't a snob. What people
> fail to realize when they talk about christianity and the ultra
> conservatives who hate everyone is that Jesus wasn't into that.
> He hung out with the dregs of society and treated them as equal
> to any person of royalty. He didn't shun them. He would have
> been the last person to stand outside a funeral for a gay man
> with a sign that says, "God hates fags."

Exactly. This is another good reason to be Christian.

> I've heard of some who claimed they had a vision on their
> near-death bed and saw Jesus, and Jesus supposedly told them
> something to do. Guess what? I'm not going to pray to them.

You see Suzanne I believe in an interventionist God. I think God wouldn't let a fake vision be known and be believed for Centuries. And I read most of Saint Teresa's works, and she is completely lucid, all the time. It's completely different from a text written by someone crazy or with bad intentions.

> you learn that about me. i drive everyone batty.

Hehehe. This is true.

> oh well.

> oh fer crying in the beer....am I the only person on this board
> that does not really care if the split happened? But you've been
> following it much longer than I have.

I don't care about the split either, because I think Morrissey's career is a single one, with or without the Smiths... You see I knew Smiths in the eighties without knowing the lyrics. So I liked it but I prefered Echo and The Bunnymen and Prince. Only when I began to understand Morrissey lyrics I became a real fan. But I am a little bit angry about Johnny Marr... I don't think he deserves such an attention... well, I may be wrong.

> All the stories people report back about the tour are starting
> to depress me a bit. It sounds like everyone is married with
> children or have slid into their yuppie life. I guess that
> shouldn't be a bad thing since we can't be young forever, but
> still, I have no business being in the adult world.

Well, I am married with a child... and my life is completely adult... but you see I don't consider myself "adult" or "young". I am just happy my horrible years of adolescent has finished.

> No wonder we get so many complaints about MTV around here. As my
> parents have their Judy Collins albums this listen to non stop,
> I have my Morrissey.

Well, I have my Morrissey too. And, you know, my Snoop Dogg...
Ant today I earned as gift a Flamenco cd given by my sister who lives in Spain. Marvelous - principally when only accoustic.
And Judy Collins? I don't know...

> Someone I know had gotten one of those compilation CD's with
> hair metal music like Poison. The liner notes said something
> like, "as the teenagers of then hit the big 3-0, then they
> will have this album to keep them from turning into their
> parents."

hehehe.

> The guys from Cornershop have a side project of Electronica.

I heard about Cornershop but I have never heard them.

> But think if everyone on this planet decided that happiness was
> nothing more than sitting around and feeling God. You would have
> no more albums of any kind period. There would be no point in
> seeing movies, getting out of bed in the morning, or falling in
> love. The human race would die off because nobody would have
> children. You have a need for everyday materialistic wants for a
> very good reason.

But the Carmelites don't want a world like that for sure. The only thing they do is pray... for us! The next time I'll go to talk to them I can ask the sisters to pray for you. Serious.


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Re: thanks from the bottom of my artichoke heart

> But you don't need to lose weight!

It happens every time I get bronchitis. It's not intentional.

> I lost 8 kg of weight last month. I don't want to seem a pig
> when we'll meet.

heh...what makes you think that we'll meet?

> You are exciting me...

> I have never had a useful talent either.

> And you don't need to be talented to be an engineer.

huh? Don't you need to know how to do math? There is a guy I work with who is an "engineer" yet he breaks everything he tries to fix.

> At least, I am not talented.

> That's why you sing.

but not very well...

oh, i'm so jealous. here i've been struggling to get something going for 2 years as far as a band or music and a group of my friends come together and form a jazz combo. they have all the instruments and I know they play/sing pretty well for the most part since they are in the college of music at UT.

> hehehe. They are so different that the way it will happen I'll
> be completely crazy.

"hey, teresa, did you know what teresa did the other day? she was talking to teresa and she said....."

> Exactly. This is another good reason to be Christian.

> You see Suzanne I believe in an interventionist God. I think God
> wouldn't let a fake vision be known and be believed for
> Centuries. And I read most of Saint Teresa's works, and she is
> completely lucid, all the time. It's completely different from a
> text written by someone crazy or with bad intentions.

true, i suppose, but I also think about the supposed Shroud of Tourin that was believed to be real for several centuries before carbon dating basically placed it as being created in 1400 AD....the year that this shroud was supposedly discovered.

> Hehehe. This is true.

> I don't care about the split either, because I think Morrissey's
> career is a single one, with or without the Smiths... You see I
> knew Smiths in the eighties without knowing the lyrics. So I
> liked it but I prefered Echo and The Bunnymen and Prince. Only
> when I began to understand Morrissey lyrics I became a real fan.
> But I am a little bit angry about Johnny Marr... I don't think
> he deserves such an attention... well, I may be wrong.

but why be angry if you don't care?

> Well, I am married with a child... and my life is completely
> adult... but you see I don't consider myself "adult"
> or "young". I am just happy my horrible years of
> adolescent has finished.

well, me too, but I like the college years the best. Not because I had tons of fun, but because those are good years to be what you want. You are 21 and old enough to drink and pretend to be an adult, but young enough that you can do what you want and nobody really expects anything out of you. you sit in classes for about 3 hours a day and devote yourself to everything else you like afterwards. I don't make a very good adult. well, i didn't make a good adolescent either, but something has to win eventually. maybe i'll make a good senile and decripit granny in a nursing home in a few decades.

> Well, I have my Morrissey too. And, you know, my Snoop Dogg...
> Ant today I earned as gift a Flamenco cd given by my sister who
> lives in Spain. Marvelous - principally when only accoustic.

How did she get to live in spain?

> And Judy Collins? I don't know...

enh...me neither.

> hehehe.

> I heard about Cornershop but I have never heard them.

well, forget i said anything and you will be no better off

> But the Carmelites don't want a world like that for sure. The
> only thing they do is pray... for us! The next time I'll go to
> talk to them I can ask the sisters to pray for you. Serious.

so, you think i need to find god? granted, i've probably only been to church less than 15 times in my entire life, but i don't know.
 
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Fabricio

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Re: thanks from the bottom of my artichoke heart

> It happens every time I get bronchitis. It's not intentional.

Well, in my case it is intentional. I was a fat pig.

> heh...what makes you think that we'll meet?

Don't you think it would be good?

> huh? Don't you need to know how to do math? There is a guy I
> work with who is an "engineer" yet he breaks
> everything he tries to fix.

hehehe. Well, I know a little bit of math and statistics. But you only have to study to know it, I don't think you have to have talent to know it.

> but not very well...

Do you believe I have never heard your voice because my computer has problems with its sound? I'll try to hear your voice in your internet page at work if you'll show me your adress...

> oh, i'm so jealous. here i've been struggling to get something
> going for 2 years as far as a band or music and a group of my
> friends come together and form a jazz combo. they have all the
> instruments and I know they play/sing pretty well for the most
> part since they are in the college of music at UT.

But would you like to make part of their group?

> "hey, teresa, did you know what teresa did the other day?
> she was talking to teresa and she said....."

hehehehe.

> true, i suppose, but I also think about the supposed Shroud of
> Tourin that was believed to be real for several centuries before
> carbon dating basically placed it as being created in 1400
> AD....the year that this shroud was supposedly discovered.

Ok, but more recent researches affirm that some pollens discovered in the Shroud existed only in Palestine at Jesus time...
Anyway there's always a second point of view in faith subjects... you only have to chose betweem them.

> but why be angry if you don't care?

I don't care about the split of Smiths because the overall Morrissey solo career is almost as good as Smiths - but I can't help thinking Johnny Marr is an idiot. (Well, I may be wrong, I know.)

> well, me too, but I like the college years the best. Not because
> I had tons of fun, but because those are good years to be what
> you want. You are 21 and old enough to drink and pretend to be
> an adult, but young enough that you can do what you want and
> nobody really expects anything out of you. you sit in classes
> for about 3 hours a day and devote yourself to everything else
> you like afterwards. I don't make a very good adult. well, i
> didn't make a good adolescent either, but something has to win
> eventually. maybe i'll make a good senile and decripit granny in
> a nursing home in a few decades.

There's no doubt we have some freedom when you are an adolescent that you lose when you are an adult. But you talked about "nobody expects anything out of you". Well, for me this was worse yet: everybody laughed at me... this hurted me too much... The persons I really liked were the worse ones to me...

> How did she get to live in spain?

She knew a spanish guy who lived in Brazil some years before they knew each other... they fell in love... and my lovable niece in spanish!

> enh...me neither.
> well, forget i said anything and you will be no better off

hehehe.

> so, you think i need to find god? granted, i've probably only
> been to church less than 15 times in my entire life, but i don't
> know.

I think everybody needs to find God... but I love you finding or not finding God...

Anyway, I don't think you are too much an atheist.


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rain in spain stays mainly on the plain

> Well, in my case it is intentional. I was a fat pig.

yeah, well losing weight in such a way is never a good thing. you have to actually modify your eating habits to a way that will make you happy and you can feel like you aren't starving and stay with that. dieting is bad.

> Don't you think it would be good?

um...not really.

> hehehe. Well, I know a little bit of math and statistics. But
> you only have to study to know it, I don't think you have to
> have talent to know it.

yeah you do. i can't learn it. i've tried.

> Do you believe I have never heard your voice because my computer
> has problems with its sound? I'll try to hear your voice in your
> internet page at work if you'll show me your adress...

look at the bottom...but i think i want to be strictly a songwriter now. too much effort and not enough kudos.

> But would you like to make part of their group?

what we do is completely different. I'm just jealous of the circumstances involved. here is a bunch of dependable people who are friends and have a similar goal in what sort of music and sound they are going for and have equal skill on their instruments. here i am a person who is attempting a bit more for 2 years and i can't get it off the ground to save my life.

> hehehehe.

> Ok, but more recent researches affirm that some pollens
> discovered in the Shroud existed only in Palestine at Jesus
> time...

damn. must be the buggers giving me the sinus headache.

> Anyway there's always a second point of view in faith
> subjects... you only have to chose betweem them.

i do lots of times, but....sometimes you have to consider the source.

> I don't care about the split of Smiths because the overall
> Morrissey solo career is almost as good as Smiths - but I can't
> help thinking Johnny Marr is an idiot. (Well, I may be wrong, I
> know.)

i don't know about that. we all have our needs. Morrissey's overall personality points to a monogamous relationship with everything around him. He's had the same songwriters for many years and keeps many of the same themes throughout the years and has never shown any desire to venture from that. Johnny on the other hand is more of a bed hopper. he gets involved with many things and drops them when he is tired of them. he didn't take Bernard Sumner along with him on his latest thing. he went off and dropped everything and involved himself with people who would bring something completely different to his music. as you see, their personalities are completely different in what they want out of people and it was eventually going to fall apart anyway. you can't help a person's nature.

> There's no doubt we have some freedom when you are an adolescent
> that you lose when you are an adult. But you talked about
> "nobody expects anything out of you". Well, for me
> this was worse yet: everybody laughed at me... this hurted me
> too much... The persons I really liked were the worse ones to
> me...

hell, i still get laughed at and snubbed and i'm 25. oddly, i had a respite for a few years, but my current department i work at is full of gossipy and cliquish twits and i get left out quite a bit because i don't sit around and discuss my relationships or my clothing.

> She knew a spanish guy who lived in Brazil some years before
> they knew each other... they fell in love... and my lovable
> niece in spanish!

> hehehe.

> I think everybody needs to find God... but I love you finding or
> not finding God...

i have ideas of what god is that aren't probably yours or anyone else;s and it doesn't make me bad.


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Fabricio

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Sketches of Spain (I don't believe I didn't buy this album... it must be so good...)

> yeah, well losing weight in such a way is never a good thing.
> you have to actually modify your eating habits to a way that
> will make you happy and you can feel like you aren't starving
> and stay with that. dieting is bad.

Oh, no doubt about it. But I'm not dieting - I'm just trying to modify my habits, and I suffer to do it.

> um...not really.

Why? I think it would be fine.

> yeah you do. i can't learn it. i've tried.

Well, if you want some help I can help you...

> look at the bottom...but i think i want to be strictly a
> songwriter now. too much effort and not enough kudos.

No problem, it will be fine to hear your voice. I'll work only Wednesday (nobody works at Carnaval - and Curitiba is known as the city with the worst Carnival in Brazil, hehe), and then I'll tell you how much I liked.

> what we do is completely different. I'm just jealous of the
> circumstances involved. here is a bunch of dependable people who
> are friends and have a similar goal in what sort of music and
> sound they are going for and have equal skill on their
> instruments. here i am a person who is attempting a bit more for
> 2 years and i can't get it off the ground to save my life.

But life is like this. The important is try, and try...

> damn. must be the buggers giving me the sinus headache.

hehehe.

> i do lots of times, but....sometimes you have to consider the
> source.

No doubt about it. There's a Spanish priest who lives in Brazil, and who appears two times a month at the most successful Brazilian TV program, that seems a skeptical, because he has a scientific way to see some strange cases.

> i don't know about that. we all have our needs. Morrissey's
> overall personality points to a monogamous relationship with
> everything around him. He's had the same songwriters for many
> years and keeps many of the same themes throughout the years and
> has never shown any desire to venture from that.

Sometimes I think all his career is about the same subject.

>Johnny on the
> other hand is more of a bed hopper. he gets involved with many
> things and drops them when he is tired of them. he didn't take
> Bernard Sumner along with him on his latest thing. he went off
> and dropped everything and involved himself with people who
> would bring something completely different to his music.

And perhaps people are mad about him because of this.

>as you
> see, their personalities are completely different in what they
> want out of people and it was eventually going to fall apart
> anyway. you can't help a person's nature.

There's no doubt about it.

But for me Johnny has no more importance than Alain White or Boz Boorer. Perhaps this is why I am a little bit mad about him.

> hell, i still get laughed at and snubbed and i'm 25. oddly, i
> had a respite for a few years, but my current department i work
> at is full of gossipy and cliquish twits and i get left out
> quite a bit because i don't sit around and discuss my
> relationships or my clothing.

I think these kind of things (gossipy and cliquish at work) happened just in Brazil... Well, it's unbelievable how much some people show the bad sizes of their personalities when they have to fight for survinving.

> i have ideas of what god is that aren't probably yours or anyone
> else;s and it doesn't make me bad.

I am really interested in your ideas about God.


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all hail Freedonia, land of the great and free

> Oh, no doubt about it. But I'm not dieting - I'm just trying to
> modify my habits, and I suffer to do it.

that's dieting. sorry. can you imagine having to "suffer" the rest of your life?

> Why? I think it would be fine.

I don't think so. Not when all your body parts suddenly become naughty around me. Go with God on this one.

> Well, if you want some help I can help you...

> No problem, it will be fine to hear your voice. I'll work only
> Wednesday (nobody works at Carnaval - and Curitiba is known as
> the city with the worst Carnival in Brazil, hehe), and then I'll
> tell you how much I liked.

heh heh..

oh, just to let you know Brazil is on the map, about a month ago, here in Austin, someone was hosting something called "carnivale Brasileiro." Ever since the damn yuppies driving their off-road cars from California started showing up in droves and subsequently pushing up the cost of living for us non-tech heads and making the middle class non existant, this town felt the need to make these people feel even more special and have a @#!!!ty version of everyone else's traditions. I don't know what the "Carnivale" was about since i figured it would suck, but I think it was held in a civic center and you had to have tickets for it.

They didn't want it conflicting with our brand new "mardi gras" that began happening last year in the club district, I guess. It's basically a bunch of Ford F-150's pulling a trailer with a bunch of low-rent calendar girls and models throwing beads to the crowds as drunken frat boys continually rush the "floats" and grab these girl's tits. I saw it one night last year, and I duly sit at home this go around.

> But life is like this. The important is try, and try...

heh, but they did tell me a few weeks ago that they had thought about naming their combo "stupid people don't need love" which I was honored, but of course had to say "hell no" since i don't want my own catchphrase worn out before anyone even hears the song.

> hehehe.

> No doubt about it. There's a Spanish priest who lives in Brazil,
> and who appears two times a month at the most successful
> Brazilian TV program, that seems a skeptical, because he has a
> scientific way to see some strange cases.

after all, god made science...

> Sometimes I think all his career is about the same subject.

yup. and a good subject it is.

but i have to say it, thank God a new producer is being brought in to come kick some ass. I was listening to Maladjusted at work today and I was thinking how it sounded like nobody was excited to play on it. It was the musical equivalent of walking through wet cement. Like it was so overladen....and it's not the musicianship. Iggy Pop could make things like "lust for life" with people who couldn't hardly play instruments, yet they made it sound exciting.

> And perhaps people are mad about him because of this.

that he has a different work ethic?

> There's no doubt about it.

> But for me Johnny has no more importance than Alain White or Boz
> Boorer. Perhaps this is why I am a little bit mad about him.

why? this doesn't make sense. if he is equally important, then it shouldn't matter if he left. after all, his equal parts have filled in.

> I think these kind of things (gossipy and cliquish at work)
> happened just in Brazil... Well, it's unbelievable how much some
> people show the bad sizes of their personalities when they have
> to fight for survinving.

it never goes away. i meant to add that the reason why i mentioned these people is because the way they sit around and giggle is just like jr. high. i wish people like that had actually had to suffer a bit between here and now so it would force their personality to change.

> I am really interested in your ideas about God.

i was just thinking the other day how relatively lazy the protestant religion is. you can show up to any church and take communion when you feel like it. nobody questions why you did it....and that's the way i like it, strangely enough. you can also belong to any sect of it such as the Methodists or Baptists and make a jump without missing anything or being shunned. Catholics like to shun people and they tell you that you are going to hell if you leave the church.


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> that's dieting. sorry. can you imagine having to
> "suffer" the rest of your life?

When I imagine this perspective I remember the alcohol addicts, and I understand how much they have to suffer. But we have to do what we have to do...

> I don't think so. Not when all your body parts suddenly become
> naughty around me. Go with God on this one.

hehehehe... But I promise I'll act with you like a gentleman!!!

And now? What do you think about?

> heh heh..

> oh, just to let you know Brazil is on the map, about a month
> ago, here in Austin, someone was hosting something called
> "carnivale Brasileiro." Ever since the damn yuppies
> driving their off-road cars from California started showing up
> in droves and subsequently pushing up the cost of living for us
> non-tech heads and making the middle class non existant, this
> town felt the need to make these people feel even more special
> and have a @#!!! ty version of everyone else's traditions. I
> don't know what the "Carnivale" was about since i
> figured it would suck, but I think it was held in a civic center
> and you had to have tickets for it.

Oh, I am happy anyway Brazil arrived in Austin.

As for me, I was watching a film at TV that was about some crimes that ocurred in Austin... But my daughter didn't permit I watched the rest of the film.

The Carnival is one of our bigger traditions... the problem is the music: Carnival consists in 4 days where people goes to some places to dance horrible sambas. You can't imagine how horrible the most part of the sambas are. And there are the samba competions at Rio de Janeiro, the "escolas de samba" - a magnificent spetacle, but a little bit boring for those who doesn't understand the whole thing (me, for example). There are competions like those in all our mid size cities, and even in Curitiba, where the spectacle is the worst one of Brazil. Almost all people in my city goes to the beach (100 km of distance from here) and there it seems that the Carnival is exciting... for those who like Carnival.

And it's possible to see lots of almost nude women at TV - good, but boring too. And finally it seems that people makes LOTS of sex in Carnival - but of course it was never my case... hehehe.

> They didn't want it conflicting with our brand new "mardi
> gras" that began happening last year in the club district,
> I guess. It's basically a bunch of Ford F-150's pulling a
> trailer with a bunch of low-rent calendar girls and models
> throwing beads to the crowds as drunken frat boys continually
> rush the "floats" and grab these girl's tits. I saw it
> one night last year, and I duly sit at home this go around.

Sometimes it's possible to watch at TV american men grabing girl's tits... I don't know if this happens in Brazil too... I am a gentleman, as you know...

> heh, but they did tell me a few weeks ago that they had thought
> about naming their combo "stupid people don't need
> love" which I was honored, but of course had to say
> "hell no" since i don't want my own catchphrase worn
> out before anyone even hears the song.

Oh, you did it correctly. They don't want to play your song anyway?

And I tried to hear your song at work today, but it didn't work. There was a "error" message in your adress... I don't know if I made some mistake...

> after all, god made science...

> yup. and a good subject it is.

> but i have to say it, thank God a new producer is being brought
> in to come kick some ass. I was listening to Maladjusted at work
> today and I was thinking how it sounded like nobody was excited
> to play on it. It was the musical equivalent of walking through
> wet cement. Like it was so overladen....and it's not the
> musicianship. Iggy Pop could make things like "lust for
> life" with people who couldn't hardly play instruments, yet
> they made it sound exciting.

I don't know... Sometimes I think Maladjusted is "overproduced" but I really feel moved when I hear some songs of this album.

> that he has a different work ethic?

No, that he is inconstant. Nobody wants to work with somebody that changes his views every two years.

> why? this doesn't make sense. if he is equally important, then
> it shouldn't matter if he left. after all, his equal parts have
> filled in.

No, I don't matter in terms of Morrissey career, this is why I don't care for his career after Smiths and I'm bound to doesn't like him...

> it never goes away. i meant to add that the reason why i
> mentioned these people is because the way they sit around and
> giggle is just like jr. high. i wish people like that had
> actually had to suffer a bit between here and now so it would
> force their personality to change.

I really think if someone is evil he will be evil whatever happens in his life. He may be more mature or whatever, but if his problem is lack of good sentiments this bad characteristic will stay with him.

> i was just thinking the other day how relatively lazy the
> protestant religion is. you can show up to any church and take
> communion when you feel like it. nobody questions why you did
> it....and that's the way i like it, strangely enough. you can
> also belong to any sect of it such as the Methodists or Baptists
> and make a jump without missing anything or being shunned.
> Catholics like to shun people and they tell you that you are
> going to hell if you leave the church.

You don't seem an atheist... Well, perhaps you are correct about the catholics. But I almost never go to Church, because of my daughter, and I still feel very catholic. The overall religion fits very well with me, it's a very beautiful and deep one.


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promethazine

oh, my ears are ringing. i just came back from seeing the Donna's and the smugglers and what an enjoyable show. Yes, the requisite couple who needed to get a room was inevitably drawn to my area while 99% of the normal folk were actually watching the show, but at least they weren;t in front of me. Instead, I had to put up with them bumping into me from behind as they swooned in the passion of their embrace.

> When I imagine this perspective I remember the alcohol addicts,
> and I understand how much they have to suffer. But we have to do
> what we have to do...

exercise more. that offsets alot

> hehehehe... But I promise I'll act with you like a gentleman!!!

> And now? What do you think about?

no, sorry. it's just not good. I'm sure your wife would be thrilled either way.

remember the lines "but did i really come all this way just to hear you say, 'oh i don't want to go out tonight'?"

I don't owe you anything, and I'd like to keep it that way.

If you don't go with God, at least go with Morrissey.

> Oh, I am happy anyway Brazil arrived in Austin.

> As for me, I was watching a film at TV that was about some
> crimes that ocurred in Austin... But my daughter didn't permit I
> watched the rest of the film.

what crimes were those? the yogurt shop murders?

> The Carnival is one of our bigger traditions... the problem is
> the music: Carnival consists in 4 days where people goes to some
> places to dance horrible sambas. You can't imagine how horrible
> the most part of the sambas are. And there are the samba
> competions at Rio de Janeiro, the "escolas de samba" -
> a magnificent spetacle, but a little bit boring for those who
> doesn't understand the whole thing (me, for example). There are
> competions like those in all our mid size cities, and even in
> Curitiba, where the spectacle is the worst one of Brazil. Almost
> all people in my city goes to the beach (100 km of distance from
> here) and there it seems that the Carnival is exciting... for
> those who like Carnival.

> And it's possible to see lots of almost nude women at TV - good,
> but boring too. And finally it seems that people makes LOTS of
> sex in Carnival - but of course it was never my case... hehehe.

> Sometimes it's possible to watch at TV american men grabing
> girl's tits... I don't know if this happens in Brazil too... I
> am a gentleman, as you know...

that depends on what context it's happening in. Are these strangers taking it upon themselves to grab instead of look?

> Oh, you did it correctly. They don't want to play your song
> anyway?

It's not a jazz song......they want Billie Holiday basically.

I think I want to sink money on a MIDI player and have fun.

> And I tried to hear your song at work today, but it didn't work.
> There was a "error" message in your adress... I don't
> know if I made some mistake...

Do you have Real Player G2? You have to have that first.

> I don't know... Sometimes I think Maladjusted is
> "overproduced" but I really feel moved when I hear
> some songs of this album.

I dont know if it's that. I think when Lillywhite made the thing, he probably thought the best way to get this stuff on the radio was to gear it towards the sort of station that plays stuff for an older crowd....you know, brand new music, but with a bit of a dull edge like Sarah McLaughlin or Counting Crows that doesn't offend the people who listen to it at their jobs in the office.

> No, that he is inconstant. Nobody wants to work with somebody
> that changes his views every two years.

Hell, i would and so would many others with a brain in their head. Who gives a crap if he disappeared tomorrow with the Foo Fighters and sang songs about corn puffs? Even getting one record out of such a talent would be an honor...and most people he works with these days know the score. It's not like he's fooling anyone into believing he will be their band partner forever. Bernard Sumner happily went back with his old band, and Johnny started his own solo project.

Speaking of their album, it's very strange, but the last track has a very similar guitar outro like the one on Suffer Little Children. All the instruments drop out, and you have this very minor sounding guitar strum.

> No, I don't matter in terms of Morrissey career, this is why I
> don't care for his career after Smiths and I'm bound to doesn't
> like him...

still no reason to be angry at him

> You don't seem an atheist... Well, perhaps you are correct about
> the catholics. But I almost never go to Church, because of my
> daughter, and I still feel very catholic. The overall religion
> fits very well with me, it's a very beautiful and deep one.




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Re: promethazine

> oh, my ears are ringing. i just came back from seeing the
> Donna's and the smugglers and what an enjoyable show. Yes, the
> requisite couple who needed to get a room was inevitably drawn
> to my area while 99% of the normal folk were actually watching
> the show, but at least they weren;t in front of me. Instead, I
> had to put up with them bumping into me from behind as they
> swooned in the passion of their embrace.

Hehehe... but if I was in the show I wouldn't see the show either...

> exercise more. that offsets alot

I'll try...

> no, sorry. it's just not good. I'm sure your wife would be
> thrilled either way.

> remember the lines "but did i really come all this way just
> to hear you say, 'oh i don't want to go out tonight'?"

This is what you'll do with me? Oh you are mean Suzanne...

> I don't owe you anything, and I'd like to keep it that way.

But why?

> If you don't go with God, at least go with Morrissey.

If we'll go together it will be fine...

> what crimes were those? the yogurt shop murders?

I don't know because I watched just few minutes of the film... But it seemed a fiction story.

> that depends on what context it's happening in. Are these
> strangers taking it upon themselves to grab instead of look?

Well, these things happen in some sex houses to be more exact.

> It's not a jazz song......they want Billie Holiday basically.

Do you like Bille Holiday? It's a shame but I think her songs a little bit boring...

> I think I want to sink money on a MIDI player and have fun.

Why? I didn't understand.

> Do you have Real Player G2? You have to have that first.

I downloaded the Real Player that it was in your page! Did I made some mistake?

> I dont know if it's that. I think when Lillywhite made the
> thing, he probably thought the best way to get this stuff on the
> radio was to gear it towards the sort of station that plays
> stuff for an older crowd....you know, brand new music, but with
> a bit of a dull edge like Sarah McLaughlin or Counting Crows
> that doesn't offend the people who listen to it at their jobs in
> the office.

Yes, it seems so. But Vauxhall and I is a little bit like that too. And it's a wonderful album!

> Hell, i would and so would many others with a brain in their
> head. Who gives a crap if he disappeared tomorrow with the Foo
> Fighters and sang songs about corn puffs? Even getting one
> record out of such a talent would be an honor...and most people
> he works with these days know the score. It's not like he's
> fooling anyone into believing he will be their band partner
> forever. Bernard Sumner happily went back with his old band, and
> Johnny started his own solo project.

Ok, ok... but I really don't think if I was a singer I would want Johnny Marr playing with me... Perhaps I have no brain, but you see? I don't think he is so important

> Speaking of their album, it's very strange, but the last track
> has a very similar guitar outro like the one on Suffer Little
> Children. All the instruments drop out, and you have this very
> minor sounding guitar strum.

Suffer little children is such a weird song. Is beautiful, but I think it's Morrissey's more scaring song...

> still no reason to be angry at him

Well, who knows?

P.S.: What does it mean promethazine?


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Re: promethazine

> Hehehe... but if I was in the show I wouldn't see the show
> either...

how's that?

> I'll try...

> This is what you'll do with me? Oh you are mean Suzanne...

I have to. You're bad news. Anyone who starts dropping weight in hopes of impressing someone always is.

> But why?

Fabricio, use your BRAIN. I was not born yesterday. You are to tell me that some guy who loses weight on a very torturous diet, scrounges up money from his teaching job and would be better spent on his daughter to buy a very expensive plane ticket to America from Brazil, sits on a plane for an entire day, and comes over to meet someone he has been flirting with online, only wants to be a gentleman? Give me some credit. You are not going to change my mind about anything, so you can quit trying, and I can already guarantee you that if you did make it down here NOTHING would ever in a million years happen, so you are indeed wasting your time all around. I already like someone else, so the whole thing is awkward.

> Well, these things happen in some sex houses to be more exact.

> Do you like Bille Holiday? It's a shame but I think her songs a
> little bit boring...

i have no idea.

> Why? I didn't understand.

> I downloaded the Real Player that it was in your page! Did I
> made some mistake?

did you install real player?

> Yes, it seems so. But Vauxhall and I is a little bit like that
> too. And it's a wonderful album!

> Ok, ok... but I really don't think if I was a singer I would
> want Johnny Marr playing with me... Perhaps I have no brain, but
> you see? I don't think he is so important

OK. I seriously doubt you.

> Suffer little children is such a weird song. Is beautiful, but I
> think it's Morrissey's more scaring song...

> Well, who knows?

> P.S.: What does it mean promethazine?

it's a cough medicine. i thought it had a cool name.




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And the tickets for Morrissey show in Curitiba will be on sale tomorrow!!!

> how's that?

I would see you...

> I have to. You're bad news. Anyone who starts dropping weight in
> hopes of impressing someone always is.

Oh... I think I have to be fat again...

> Fabricio, use your BRAIN. I was not born yesterday. You are to
> tell me that some guy who loses weight on a very torturous diet,
> scrounges up money from his teaching job and would be better
> spent on his daughter to buy a very expensive plane ticket to
> America from Brazil, sits on a plane for an entire day, and
> comes over to meet someone he has been flirting with online,
> only wants to be a gentleman? Give me some credit.

Oh, my hope was to go to USA because of my work... I don't have money to trip because I spend all my money in cds... And the tickets for Morrissey show in Curitiba will be on sale tomorrow!!!

>You are not
> going to change my mind about anything, so you can quit trying,
> and I can already guarantee you that if you did make it down
> here NOTHING would ever in a million years happen, so you are
> indeed wasting your time all around. I already like someone
> else, so the whole thing is awkward.

Are you angry with me? Sorry if I went too far.

> i have no idea.

Why? Don't you know Billie Holiday songs?

> did you install real player?

Yes.

> OK. I seriously doubt you.

Me too sometimes.

> it's a cough medicine. i thought it had a cool name.

In fact I always remeber this name now I know it...


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yay

> I would see you...

isn't seeing a picture of me enough? what else is there to see? Trust me, that photo and my little net ramblings is as life-like as I get. I'm so quiet, most people don't even know I exist.

> Oh... I think I have to be fat again...

be thin for Fabricio's sake...no one else's.

> Oh, my hope was to go to USA because of my work... I don't have
> money to trip because I spend all my money in cds... And the
> tickets for Morrissey show in Curitiba will be on sale
> tomorrow!!!

Well, it's about time. You'll get to see the elusive PVC suit in person.

I will be watching Sack 2 nights from now. That's as close as I get.

> Are you angry with me? Sorry if I went too far.

Well, ya know...you shouldn't really plan things like that in general...or with me. I don't know. I operate on a completely different set of rules than everyone.

> Why? Don't you know Billie Holiday songs?

Not really. Believe it or not, there are things that I don't know

> Yes.

oh well. piece of crap computer. all of them! they should all burn in hell!

Hey, if I make an album, maybe I'll sell it to ya half price!

Just kidding...

> Me too sometimes.

Hell, I'll admit that Electronic's latest is sort of dull. He sounds much better doing jingle jangle on Billy Bragg's stuff.

> In fact I always remeber this name now I know it...

Always remember it.




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> isn't seeing a picture of me enough? what else is there to see?
> Trust me, that photo and my little net ramblings is as life-like
> as I get. I'm so quiet, most people don't even know I exist.

There's a great difference in seeing the photo and seeing you alive...

> be thin for Fabricio's sake...no one else's.

I'll try to.

> Well, it's about time. You'll get to see the elusive PVC suit in
> person.

What?

> I will be watching Sack 2 nights from now. That's as close as I
> get.

Do you like Sack?

> Well, ya know...you shouldn't really plan things like that in
> general...or with me. I don't know. I operate on a completely
> different set of rules than everyone.

All the things I said you were sincere, believe me. I am different too. Sorry anyway if I went too far.

> Not really. Believe it or not, there are things that I don't
> know

But do you like jazz, don't you? I thought unexpect not knowing Billie Holiday. Anyway, I don't think you are loosing that much.

> oh well. piece of crap computer. all of them! they should all
> burn in hell!

But if so I couldn't talk to you...

oh forgive me...

> Hey, if I make an album, maybe I'll sell it to ya half price!

> Just kidding...

No, you can sell it to me to the double of the price and I'll buy it happy.

> Hell, I'll admit that Electronic's latest is sort of dull. He
> sounds much better doing jingle jangle on Billy Bragg's stuff.

The poor man hadn't much favorable critics since the split of Smiths, did he? Perhaps this is one of the reasons I don't care about him.

> Always remember it.

I am remembering now.


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> There's a great difference in seeing the photo and seeing you
> alive...

Better than seeing me dead in the middle of the road with my head severed and stuck to the grill of a 18 wheeler, I suppose, but not much better....

> I'll try to.

> What?

You don't know that Morrissey wears a PVC Elvis knockoff suit? Where have you been? You need to be boning up on all this.

> Do you like Sack?

I have no clue. I haven't seen them yet. It's just that they opened for Morrissey all throughout the tour last year, and they are playing in town tomorrow night, and since I have a free pass to see about 1,000 bands the next 4 days, I might as well go see them since they are Moz's proteges.

Although I know the guy who will be the stage manager that night, I won't bother them one bit. I'm a nice person....

Which reminds me, nobody should see much of me here for the next few days for I will actually have a life for that period of time (Yes, cry now....)

> All the things I said you were sincere, believe me. I am
> different too. Sorry anyway if I went too far.

But the thing is, its just plain wrong on many levels.

Please stay with your own kind/and I'll stay with mine

> But do you like jazz, don't you? I thought unexpect not knowing
> Billie Holiday. Anyway, I don't think you are loosing that much.

I like jazz in a general sense. I'm a bit more into the beatnik type stuff like Charlie Parker, but even there my knowledge is limited. I know who she is, but I can't really identify her with her songs. I'm sure I've heard them, but, as you know...I have a brain aneurysm in that area.

> But if so I couldn't talk to you...

I know some people pooh pooh some of us who hang out on computers a bunch, but i will be honest...I've had more fascinating things happen to me because of them. Most of what I do doesn't fly well in the real world.

> oh forgive me...

> No, you can sell it to me to the double of the price and I'll
> buy it happy.

heh....you may demand your money back after you hear it...

> The poor man hadn't much favorable critics since the split of
> Smiths, did he? Perhaps this is one of the reasons I don't care
> about him.

Morrissey has taken a beating as well.....

> I am remembering now.
 
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> Better than seeing me dead in the middle of the road with my
> head severed and stuck to the grill of a 18 wheeler, I suppose,
> but not much better....

Oh don't be so black.

> You don't know that Morrissey wears a PVC Elvis knockoff suit?
> Where have you been? You need to be boning up on all this.

Oh, I dodn't know it... Thank you!

> I have no clue. I haven't seen them yet. It's just that they
> opened for Morrissey all throughout the tour last year, and they
> are playing in town tomorrow night, and since I have a free pass
> to see about 1,000 bands the next 4 days, I might as well go see
> them since they are Moz's proteges.

Oh no doubt about it. And how works this "free pass"?

> Although I know the guy who will be the stage manager that
> night, I won't bother them one bit. I'm a nice person....

I know you are.

> Which reminds me, nobody should see much of me here for the next
> few days for I will actually have a life for that period of time
> (Yes, cry now....)

I'll cry but... you know I want to hear every detail because I like to suffer.

> But the thing is, its just plain wrong on many levels.

> Please stay with your own kind/and I'll stay with mine

how much I love your casual way / but please put... well, this is enough...

> I like jazz in a general sense. I'm a bit more into the beatnik
> type stuff like Charlie Parker, but even there my knowledge is
> limited. I know who she is, but I can't really identify her with
> her songs. I'm sure I've heard them, but, as you know...I have a
> brain aneurysm in that area.

hehe. I think you have never heard anything from her. If you hear a single song of hers you won't forget. I don't like her very much but there's no doubt she has a style unique.

And I have a cd from Charlie Parker. I like it.

> I know some people pooh pooh some of us who hang out on
> computers a bunch, but i will be honest...I've had more
> fascinating things happen to me because of them. Most of what I
> do doesn't fly well in the real world.

I understand...

> heh....you may demand your money back after you hear it...

I certainly won't do it.

> Morrissey has taken a beating as well.....

But there's no doubt that Morrissey work after Smiths is much more important than Marr's.


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