Morrissey found dead in funeral home

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suzanne

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Re: nobody shoots at santa claus

> Sure?

no, i lied. i'm a lazy slob. i don't do anything except what i happen upon that second.

> I know what a class like this means to one's ego.

hell, that's why i never took up teaching. the best i could become is a moving target.

> Well, but I try.

> I thought Heir apparent was about me and my family...

no, it's about me piloting a jet plane.

> Well, I never drink or see any spirit.

you miss a lot. as beer is the diesel fuel of alcohol, spirits are the natural gas. it's very clean, i've never thrown up from it, and you don't need a lot to pack a punch.

> mmmmm...

> Well, I may be the other person in your party. Won't it be
> funny?

especially if we stare uncomfortably at each other all evening.

> Well, we made some mistakes sometimes.

i keep making them. over and over. i'm thinking of that episode of Seinfeld where George does the exact opposite of what he usually does and he is no longer a loser.

> But it's a good thing to work. Better than have no job at all. I
> think in US everybody can have a job, isn't true? I am sure
> you'll find a better one.

i don't know. despite the college degree, i'm not really qualified in much. i'm the world's worst salesperson. i don't have any special technical skills. i can't really design anything. i don't have any people skills. so that's where i am.

> I really like to go home. I don't need to trip at all, or walk
> around, except with my daughter. Well, the weather is hot this
> time of year, and it's better than our winter anyway. Curitiba
> is one of the coldest cities of Brazil - there's pratically no
> snow at all, but the houses don't have central heating.

so, is it cold at night, or is it just that warm where you don't need it?

i like cold weather.

> Oh, I don't know.

> No no, I won't be your shadow. I'll see you from a really secure
> distance. This will give me enough pleasure.

> hehehehe.

> João Gilberto is the best brazilian singer ever. He is almost as
> good as Robert Johnson. He created a new music - the bossa nova.
> Bossa Nova without him is normally crap music - but with him is
> great art.

how on earth can you compare those two? besides, other people can do blues well...not white people, but there are others....

> I only know a song with Astrud - Garota de Ipanema, where she
> sings with João Gilberto. She has a beautiful voice.

there is a great almost bored quality to it

> I am Your webslave, Suzanne...

no no no...you march right out of here this instant. i will not have any of that.

> oh, perhaps. I re-read them a lot, indeed.

we have our answer, then. i'm not any more fascinating than anyone else.

> That's true.

> C'est réelement dommage que le français soit une langue morte
> aujourd'hui...

morte? no way. go to Africa and Canada.
 
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Fabricio

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Re: nobody shoots at santa claus

> no, i lied. i'm a lazy slob. i don't do anything except what i
> happen upon that second.

Well, in retrospective: when you said you tried to respect me you lied.

> hell, that's why i never took up teaching. the best i could
> become is a moving target.

You would be an excellent teacher, Suzanne.

> no, it's about me piloting a jet plane.

Heir Apparent? mmmmm... I think you are joking with me...

> you miss a lot. as beer is the diesel fuel of alcohol, spirits
> are the natural gas. it's very clean, i've never thrown up from
> it, and you don't need a lot to pack a punch.

Do you drink beer, Suzanne? Haow can I explain you how much exciting you are?

> especially if we stare uncomfortably at each other all evening.

Now you are correct: we would try to talk in english and this wouldn't work. So we would have to begin to write something to begin a (good) conversation.

> i keep making them. over and over. i'm thinking of that episode
> of Seinfeld where George does the exact opposite of what he
> usually does and he is no longer a loser.

I watched this funny episode. Why don't you begin now and say that you like and respect Morrissey as a human being?

> i don't know. despite the college degree, i'm not really
> qualified in much. i'm the world's worst salesperson. i don't
> have any special technical skills. i can't really design
> anything. i don't have any people skills. so that's where i am.

I know you have lots of talents, Suzanne. You just have to find them.

> so, is it cold at night, or is it just that warm where you don't
> need it?

Oh, both.

> i like cold weather.

Me too. When I have a central heating.

> how on earth can you compare those two?

they are genius and original as musicians and as singers; they started their own styles of music; they are the best in their styles.

>besides, other people
> can do blues well...

Oh yes. John Lee Hooker, Lightnin' Hopkins, Muddy Waters, Robert Nighthawk, a blind guy whose name I forgot...

>not white people, but there are others....

We finally agree in something. When white men try to sing the blues, the whole thing is fake. And they know this, so they try to play technically very well, to hide their completely lack of the necessary "soul" to sing the blues...

> there is a great almost bored quality to it

In singing well?

> no no no...you march right out of here this instant. i will not
> have any of that.

You have lots of webslaves Suzanne, liking it or not.

> we have our answer, then. i'm not any more fascinating than
> anyone else.

I disagree.

> morte? no way. go to Africa and Canada.

Ce que tu viens de dire seulement me montre que j'avais raison - cette langue est réelement morte...
 
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suzanne

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Re: nobody shoots at santa claus

> Well, in retrospective: when you said you tried to respect me
> you lied.

i don't respect anyone. especially not myself.

> You would be an excellent teacher, Suzanne.

oh god no. children don't like me a bit, and it's very easy for people to walk all over me. Plus, you've never heard me verbally try to explain anything.

"Um, this book here...when it gets to this certain section of the book..um, as you know there was this guy and there was this guy's mother, and when he gets to this part...oh, and his mother did such and such...and when they get to this part, he, not his mother, did this..."

I'm afraid my verbal skills are a jumbled mess compared to my writing ones.

> Heir Apparent? mmmmm... I think you are joking with me...

yes. Morrissey was an airplane pilot, and I'm his co-pilot. He lit up a bong and became too mellow to fly the plane so I had to step in.

> Do you drink beer, Suzanne? Haow can I explain you how much
> exciting you are?

yes, i just had some tonight, and i'm having my requisite glass of water to make sure i'm fully hydrated in the morning.

i'm not very exciting. i'm just sort of making up for the stuff i missed out on when i was growing up, hence my delayed adulthood. I don't think I would mind getting older as much had it not been for that.

> Now you are correct: we would try to talk in english and this
> wouldn't work. So we would have to begin to write something to
> begin a (good) conversation.

yes, be like beethoven and have a chalk board lying around.

> I watched this funny episode. Why don't you begin now and say
> that you like and respect Morrissey as a human being?

i did. what happened to your attention span?

hey, but it looks like your dates are on, Fabricio. i expect you to breathe in every detail and report back.

> I know you have lots of talents, Suzanne. You just have to find
> them.

enh. having talents and having things that people want are two totally different things.

> Oh, both.

> Me too. When I have a central heating.

well, at least you can control your thermostat. apparently, the building i'm in is so old that there is one thermostat for the entire apartment complex, and whoever runs it has an iron deficiency or hormone problems or something because it's a sauna when it's cold outside. i've never been in a building so hot in the winter.

> they are genius and original as musicians and as singers; they
> started their own styles of music; they are the best in their
> styles.

i really don't know anything about what blues sounded like before robert johnson got a hold of it.

> Oh yes. John Lee Hooker, Lightnin' Hopkins, Muddy Waters, Robert
> Nighthawk, a blind guy whose name I forgot...

Blind lemon jefferson?

> We finally agree in something. When white men try to sing the
> blues, the whole thing is fake. And they know this, so they try
> to play technically very well, to hide their completely lack of
> the necessary "soul" to sing the blues...

ha ha. yes, i went to see some crappy white boy blues band a month ago. wasn't my choice. some friend recommended it and the group went. first, it was a bad sign when the entire band was white. second, when the entire audience was white. third, the vast majority of them looking like they came from their high paying jobs to go enjoy the austin night life. fourth, when the band did nothing but covers of Jimi Hendrix. fifth, when they singer started saying, "OK...I want the bass to drop out....yeah, we're going to bring it home!...ok, I want the drums to drop out! yeah!! ok, we're going to get it going now!" sixth, when drunken obnoxious scuzzy old guy started trying to pick on me and befriend my group.

And this went on for over 3 hours. I went home and felt like shooting someone.

> In singing well?

oh yes. there is no overblown vocal range like celine dion.

> You have lots of webslaves Suzanne, liking it or not.

who?

>
 
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Fabricio

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Re: nobody shoots at santa claus

> i don't respect anyone. especially not myself.

But I respect you!!!

> oh god no. children don't like me a bit, and it's very easy for
> people to walk all over me. Plus, you've never heard me verbally
> try to explain anything.

It must be a great experience...

> "Um, this book here...when it gets to this certain section
> of the book..um, as you know there was this guy and there was
> this guy's mother, and when he gets to this part...oh, and his
> mother did such and such...and when they get to this part, he,
> not his mother, did this..."

hehehehe - this was funny.

> I'm afraid my verbal skills are a jumbled mess compared to my
> writing ones.

Well, anyway I'm not good in writing nor speaking....

> yes. Morrissey was an airplane pilot, and I'm his co-pilot. He
> lit up a bong and became too mellow to fly the plane so I had to
> step in.

Heir Apparent? I've never imagined such a thing...

> yes, i just had some tonight, and i'm having my requisite glass
> of water to make sure i'm fully hydrated in the morning.

Mmmmm...

> i'm not very exciting. i'm just sort of making up for the stuff
> i missed out on when i was growing up, hence my delayed
> adulthood. I don't think I would mind getting older as much had
> it not been for that.

How can you say you are not exciting? Everybody here knows you are exciting!!!

> yes, be like beethoven and have a chalk board lying around.

I think it's the only way I can make a conversation in english indeed.

> i did. what happened to your attention span?

It seems that my dates are on. Well, I don't believe it will happen anyway.

> hey, but it looks like your dates are on, Fabricio. i expect you
> to breathe in every detail and report back.

I have a friend who is journalist and I'll copy to you everything he wrote.

And I'll say that the author is me!

> enh. having talents and having things that people want are two
> totally different things.

Here I must agree.

But please tell me more about your talents!

> well, at least you can control your thermostat. apparently, the
> building i'm in is so old that there is one thermostat for the
> entire apartment complex, and whoever runs it has an iron
> deficiency or hormone problems or something because it's a sauna
> when it's cold outside. i've never been in a building so hot in
> the winter.

Oh, it must be exciting your apartment! Well, here it rains pratically without a pause since yesterday. And the bad thing is that I have to walk to go home and to go to my work. I hate walking in the rain. "Singing in the rain is a stupid movie" if you want my opinion.
> i really don't know anything about what blues sounded like
> before robert johnson got a hold of it.

> Blind lemon jefferson?

No, it's Blind Boy Fuller. I am really sorry I've never heard any of Blind Lemon Jefferson songs. I read something about him and it seems the kind of blues I would like.

> ha ha. yes, i went to see some crappy white boy blues band a
> month ago. wasn't my choice. some friend recommended it and the
> group went. first, it was a bad sign when the entire band was
> white. second, when the entire audience was white. third, the
> vast majority of them looking like they came from their high
> paying jobs to go enjoy the austin night life. fourth, when the
> band did nothing but covers of Jimi Hendrix. fifth, when they
> singer started saying, "OK...I want the bass to drop
> out....yeah, we're going to bring it home!...ok, I want the
> drums to drop out! yeah!! ok, we're going to get it going
> now!" sixth, when drunken obnoxious scuzzy old guy started
> trying to pick on me and befriend my group.

Oh, I am sorry for your night!!!

You understand me very well. Sometimes some friends say that in some place will play a group that plays "this kind of music you like". So I ask if the member of the group were born in Curitiba. Normally they were. It's a good reason to me to explain to them that white men can't sing the blues!

> And this went on for over 3 hours. I went home and felt like
> shooting someone.

Oh, it must have been horrible...

> oh yes. there is no overblown vocal range like celine dion.

I agree (again). Voice with no soul it's simply horrible.

Well, try Madredeus. I think I spoke about Teresa Salgueiro to you.

> who?

There are lots of Suzanne fans, you know...
 
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suzanne

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Morrissey is the product of a sick mind

Strawberry and Vanilla? I said Chocolate...

> But I respect you!!!

> It must be a great experience...

> hehehehe - this was funny.

and it's the truth

> Well, anyway I'm not good in writing nor speaking....

do you act out your lesson plans?

> Heir Apparent? I've never imagined such a thing...

um, oh yes. It's also about him never retiring and going on forever making little Fabricios all over the world happy.

> Mmmmm...

> How can you say you are not exciting? Everybody here knows you
> are exciting!!!

OK...I've read over this, and from what I gather, you think that living in a sauna of an apartment and having a couple of drinks every week or more is living the high life.

Hey, did you know that I also have trash cans in every room of my apartment? Aren't you just blown away?

> I think it's the only way I can make a conversation in english
> indeed.

and if we don't have a lot to say, at least it will take longer to say it.

> It seems that my dates are on. Well, I don't believe it will
> happen anyway.

yeah, i was suspicious about the April fool's date.

> I have a friend who is journalist and I'll copy to you
> everything he wrote.

> And I'll say that the author is me!

Fabricio, you can't fool me. You just gave away your scheme.

> Here I must agree.

> But please tell me more about your talents!

I'm one of the few people at work who actually uses the stairs instead of the elevator if they need to go up one floor.

I used to have a cool fang tooth I could bare at people, but that's gone.

Hey, and I just fixed my computer! I figured out what it was and it's stopped crashing.

> Oh, it must be exciting your apartment!

You think it's exciting that I can't control my thermostat? You live in a very interesting world...

>Well, here it rains
> pratically without a pause since yesterday. And the bad thing is
> that I have to walk to go home and to go to my work.

Keeps you in shape! But, depends on how long a walk you've got.

>I hate
> walking in the rain. "Singing in the rain is a stupid
> movie" if you want my opinion.

Sounds like Scotland.

Hey, speaking of constant rain, have you read the book Angela's Ashes?

> No, it's Blind Boy Fuller. I am really sorry I've never heard
> any of Blind Lemon Jefferson songs. I read something about him
> and it seems the kind of blues I would like.

I've never heard any of his stuff either, so don't be too upset. Blues is not one of those music genres I can listen to for any length of time. It's sort of like surf rock or punk. I can take it in small doses before I get really tired.

> Oh, I am sorry for your night!!!

Ah, that's OK. I was just grouchy in general.

> You understand me very well. Sometimes some friends say that in
> some place will play a group that plays "this kind of music
> you like". So I ask if the member of the group were born in
> Curitiba. Normally they were. It's a good reason to me to
> explain to them that white men can't sing the blues!

heh. it must be worse. South American blues?!?!?

> Oh, it must have been horrible...

> I agree (again). Voice with no soul it's simply horrible.

Well, she's retired now. Sadly, she will still be a staple of rehashed top 40 hits radio for years to come.

> Well, try Madredeus. I think I spoke about Teresa Salgueiro to
> you.

Did you?

> There are lots of Suzanne fans, you know...

Yeah...like Morrissey. Did you notice he sang Ouija board? Ha! He must have been reading our discussion on spirit channeling.

Proves he's a very sick man. James Bondage?!?!?

Ya know that action speaks louder than words... :^)
 
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Fabricio

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Re: Morrissey is the product of a sick mind

> Strawberry and Vanilla? I said Chocolate...

What????

> and it's the truth

> do you act out your lesson plans?

Well, I have to study a little bit... But normally I have to read my notes to remeber all equations I have to explain to my students... not an interesting class you can imagine.

> um, oh yes. It's also about him never retiring and going on
> forever making little Fabricios all over the world happy.

But this songs have lots of significances! I am astonished!

I think this song explains why he didn't go to Texas in this tour too.

> OK...I've read over this, and from what I gather, you think that
> living in a sauna of an apartment and having a couple of drinks
> every week or more is living the high life.

Living Your life is living the high life Suzanne.

> Hey, did you know that I also have trash cans in every room of
> my apartment? Aren't you just blown away?

Oh, tell me more about your house! Every single detail interests me.

> and if we don't have a lot to say, at least it will take longer
> to say it.

I laughed loudly when I read this. Serious...

> yeah, i was suspicious about the April fool's date.

Morrissey is making me nervous...

> Fabricio, you can't fool me. You just gave away your scheme.

But why? I think it's best thing to do. My journalist friend is a Morrissey fan and he speaks English contrarily to me.

> I'm one of the few people at work who actually uses the stairs
> instead of the elevator if they need to go up one floor.

Keeps you in shape!

> I used to have a cool fang tooth I could bare at people, but
> that's gone.

> Hey, and I just fixed my computer! I figured out what it was and
> it's stopped crashing.

Did you fixed it alone? This is a really great talent. When I try to fix mine you can be sure that the whole thing will be a disaster!

> You think it's exciting that I can't control my thermostat? You
> live in a very interesting world...

hehehehe. You live in a very exciting world!

> Keeps you in shape! But, depends on how long a walk you've got.

I have to walk during 15 minutes to go to work, then more 15 minutes to return to my home to lunch, and then more 15 minutes to work after lunch, then 20 minutes to school at evening, then 5 minute to return home. This is enough?

And I always use the elevator!

> Sounds like Scotland.

"The rain falls hard on a hundrum town..." This town have to be Curitiba!

> Hey, speaking of constant rain, have you read the book Angela's
> Ashes?

No, who is she?

> I've never heard any of his stuff either, so don't be too upset.
> Blues is not one of those music genres I can listen to for any
> length of time. It's sort of like surf rock or punk. I can take
> it in small doses before I get really tired.

With punk rock to me and with most of the blues the thing is the same with me. But not with Robert Johnson or John Lee Hooker for sure.

> Ah, that's OK. I was just grouchy in general.

This makes you more charmante mon amie.

> heh. it must be worse. South American blues?!?!?

This is really amazing! There was a guy I knew that played some guitar when I knew him longtime ago. Last year I watched him at the local channel singing the blues with two other white guys... And with "blues" clothes, hats and so on. I have no words...

> Well, she's retired now. Sadly, she will still be a staple of
> rehashed top 40 hits radio for years to come.

Oh yeah.

Anyway, there's a girl singer in Brazil that sang some portuguese versions of Celine's songs... and the strange thing is that it's not bad at all!!!

> Did you?

Well, I wrote sometimes about Madredeus here.

My daughter Teresa is called Teresa because of the Madredeus singer Teresa Salgueiro.

I saw Teresa Salgueiro in the São Paulo airport in 1995, when nobody really knew Madredeus in Brazil (I knew them because a show of theirs I recorded at TV - I watched the show every night!). I asked Teresa an autograph, and she wanted to know if I was portuguese, because they had no brazilian fans. I tremble just in remebering this day...

> Yeah...like Morrissey. Did you notice he sang Ouija board? Ha!
> He must have been reading our discussion on spirit channeling.

And are you saying he wants to tease me?

It's really probable.

> Proves he's a very sick man. James Bondage?!?!?

James Bondage? I don't know about what you are telling now...

> Ya know that action speaks louder than words... :^)

Which action? Ouija Board?
 
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suzanne

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Re: Morrissey is the product of a sick mind

> What????

I was just referring to what he said at the Akron show after "I can have both" where he said it meant he could have both strawberry and vanilla ice cream.

A while back, after having a discussion of what this song meant (around here) and someone saying Morrissey wasn't bi-sexual, but merely an opportunist for whoever happened to fit his bill that day, I said something like "if you don't mind mixing your vanilla with your chocolate then you are..."

> Well, I have to study a little bit... But normally I have to
> read my notes to remeber all equations I have to explain to my
> students... not an interesting class you can imagine.

math?

> But this songs have lots of significances! I am astonished!

oh yes. if you tie in "Wide to receive" "Lost" "Heir Apparent" and "Maladjusted" all into one noodle...

> I think this song explains why he didn't go to Texas in this
> tour too.

Why's that?

> Living Your life is living the high life Suzanne.

No way, man. Yesterday, being Valentine's day and all, and after spending a few days all icky and in a state of indigestion, I bundled myself up in my robe and read while intermittently watching a bunch of American men who have given up, flying to Russia to pick up some desperate chicks in a mail order bride service.

> Oh, tell me more about your house! Every single detail interests
> me.

When I go in my room, I perpetually stub my toes all over my music stuff that I have no room for.

> I laughed loudly when I read this. Serious...

> Morrissey is making me nervous...

it's what he does best.

> But why? I think it's best thing to do. My journalist friend is
> a Morrissey fan and he speaks English contrarily to me.

> Keeps you in shape!

> Did you fixed it alone? This is a really great talent. When I
> try to fix mine you can be sure that the whole thing will be a
> disaster!

Yeah, I know of someone's dad who recently tried to do something to his computer to upgrade it and sparks and smoke literally came out of it.

> hehehehe. You live in a very exciting world!

poor Fabricio. You need to go out and have some fun!

> I have to walk during 15 minutes to go to work, then more 15
> minutes to return to my home to lunch, and then more 15 minutes
> to work after lunch, then 20 minutes to school at evening, then
> 5 minute to return home. This is enough?

Wait a minute...

It takes you 20 minutes to get there, and 5 to come back? Are you running? Are your students chasing you down the street after class?

> And I always use the elevator!

i use it more in the parking garage because homeless people and the random party freak on 6th street likes to take a pee in the stairwell.

> "The rain falls hard on a hundrum town..." This town
> have to be Curitiba!

> No, who is she?

It's about this Irish guy back in the 1920's and his family growing up. Angela is his mother. Your typical story of drunken Irish dad who can't hold a job and drinks his dole money away and starves the kids...3 of them die...who also put up with a very staunch Catholic church.

Not to belittle the Irish in anyway, but if you set that same story in a small town with a bunch of Czech immigrants, nobody would give a damn. After all, there is no such thing as Bohemian wit.

> With punk rock to me and with most of the blues the thing is the
> same with me. But not with Robert Johnson or John Lee Hooker for
> sure.

hmm. i might explore a bit...i don't know. I sort of like jazz a bit.

> This makes you more charmante mon amie.

> This is really amazing! There was a guy I knew that played some
> guitar when I knew him longtime ago. Last year I watched him at
> the local channel singing the blues with two other white guys...
> And with "blues" clothes, hats and so on. I have no
> words...

ooh. bad.

As George Carlin once said, "White people are not supposed to sing the blues, they're supposed to give it."...after making fun of the likes of Bruce Willis for jumping up on stage with a harmonica at impromptu blues jams.

> Oh yeah.

> Anyway, there's a girl singer in Brazil that sang some
> portuguese versions of Celine's songs... and the strange thing
> is that it's not bad at all!!!

The songs aren't bad. That's one thing you can't really fault people like her on. The lyrics are a bit staid, but the melody is catchy in the right way that it does it's job. It goes directly to your brain and changes your brainwave patterns to fit that of the song. It torments you night and day. You hear it on the radio for the 50th time and you still can't turn it off.

> Well, I wrote sometimes about Madredeus here.

> My daughter Teresa is called Teresa because of the Madredeus
> singer Teresa Salgueiro.

> I saw Teresa Salgueiro in the São Paulo airport in 1995, when
> nobody really knew Madredeus in Brazil (I knew them because a
> show of theirs I recorded at TV - I watched the show every
> night!). I asked Teresa an autograph, and she wanted to know if
> I was portuguese, because they had no brazilian fans. I tremble
> just in remebering this day...

heh...you're her first stalker...

> And are you saying he wants to tease me?

or tease me...or tease everyone...he's such a tease.

> It's really probable.

> James Bondage? I don't know about what you are telling now...

just read the Akron show reviews.....

> Which action? Ouija Board?

heh...something...
 
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Fabricio

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Re: Morrissey is the product of a sick mind

I am hearing Snoop Dogg now - he sings soooo well.

> I was just referring to what he said at the Akron show after
> "I can have both" where he said it meant he could have
> both strawberry and vanilla ice cream.

> A while back, after having a discussion of what this song meant
> (around here) and someone saying Morrissey wasn't bi-sexual, but
> merely an opportunist for whoever happened to fit his bill that
> day, I said something like "if you don't mind mixing your
> vanilla with your chocolate then you are..."

And the funny thing is that when asked if he goes to internet Morrissey says no!

So, from where he knows you?

> math?

A kind of. I teach wooden and concrete structures at the profissionalizing course at the college. There are lots of equations, where I feel myself well.

> oh yes. if you tie in "Wide to receive"
> "Lost" "Heir Apparent" and
> "Maladjusted" all into one noodle...

I disagree. There's no relation among these songs.

Tell me your theory.

> Why's that?

In fact he says what he'll feel when he'll return to Texas.

> No way, man. Yesterday, being Valentine's day and all, and after
> spending a few days all icky and in a state of indigestion, I
> bundled myself up in my robe and read while intermittently
> watching a bunch of American men who have given up, flying to
> Russia to pick up some desperate chicks in a mail order bride
> service.

Oh, this is really interesting in fact. From my side, I am coming from São Paulo where I was in a course where people teached us to execute the new computer program that will simulate the electric brazilian system: the "Newave" program. Very interesting indeed.

> When I go in my room, I perpetually stub my toes all over my
> music stuff that I have no room for.

I really can't imagine how marvelous have to be life from all people around you. Serious.

> it's what he does best.

Well, sometimes.

> Yeah, I know of someone's dad who recently tried to do something
> to his computer to upgrade it and sparks and smoke literally
> came out of it.

I never upgrade computer programs, except the ones I am the author of.

> poor Fabricio. You need to go out and have some fun!

I have it. I watch Seinfeld everyday. And I hear lots of musics when I work, and when I go to the Net.

> Wait a minute...

> It takes you 20 minutes to get there, and 5 to come back? Are
> you running? Are your students chasing you down the street after
> class?

The don't run after me, even if they want it. In fact I go from *work to school* in 20 minutes... and from *school to home* in five minutes. You know, sometimes I just can't express myself well in English. Well, in portuguese the thing is the same...

> i use it more in the parking garage because homeless people and
> the random party freak on 6th street likes to take a pee in the
> stairwell.

Oh, this is bad. But I love you all the same.

> It's about this Irish guy back in the 1920's and his family
> growing up. Angela is his mother. Your typical story of drunken
> Irish dad who can't hold a job and drinks his dole money away
> and starves the kids...3 of them die...who also put up with a
> very staunch Catholic church.

Oh, I like these kind of stories. I like films that passes in black american ghettos for example - I don't know why, but I am really impressed by this subject. The Snoop Dogg songs are a part of it.

> Not to belittle the Irish in anyway, but if you set that same
> story in a small town with a bunch of Czech immigrants, nobody
> would give a damn. After all, there is no such thing as Bohemian
> wit.

> hmm. i might explore a bit...i don't know. I sort of like jazz a
> bit.

Jazz? Well, i like some old stuff, like Miles Davis, Lester Young, Modern Jazz Quartet and Duke Ellington. But I hate some "cool" and "modern" jazz singers... They seem to be so "sophisticated" that they have any feelings.

> ooh. bad.

And the strange thing is that the guy was a sort of "hippie" or "alternative" guy. I don't know what more I have to think about him, hehe.

> As George Carlin once said, "White people are not supposed
> to sing the blues, they're supposed to give it."...after
> making fun of the likes of Bruce Willis for jumping up on stage
> with a harmonica at impromptu blues jams.

Completely correct. And the worst thing yet is when people say that some white blues band is good just because they play "well". Any music isn't good just because the musicians play well.

> The songs aren't bad. That's one thing you can't really fault
> people like her on. The lyrics are a bit staid, but the melody
> is catchy in the right way that it does it's job. It goes
> directly to your brain and changes your brainwave patterns to
> fit that of the song. It torments you night and day. You hear it
> on the radio for the 50th time and you still can't turn it off.

That's true. You should hear the Sandy's versions of Celine's songs. Perhaps you would like it and I wouldn't think myself crazy for liking here anymore.

> heh...you're her first stalker...

Me? I would be happy if I would be he first lover...

But you know this will never happen.

> or tease me...or tease everyone...he's such a tease.

Because he loves us.

> just read the Akron show reviews.....

I read it. I am really impressed of how I was correct about you and Morrissey.

> heh...something...

Well, I am waiting for his Hey Jude version to be played here.
 
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Re: Morrissey is the product of a sick mind

> I am hearing Snoop Dogg now - he sings soooo well.

> And the funny thing is that when asked if he goes to internet
> Morrissey says no!

That's not a shock. He always says "no" to everything.

> So, from where he knows you?

The internet.

> A kind of. I teach wooden and concrete structures at the
> profissionalizing course at the college. There are lots of
> equations, where I feel myself well.

> I disagree. There's no relation among these songs.

> Tell me your theory.

its' unproven

> In fact he says what he'll feel when he'll return to Texas.

Really?

You know, back in '97 when he went from New Mexico to Oklahoma, I wonder if they actually took I-20 which would go through the panhandle, or he ordered the bus to drive around it.

> Oh, this is really interesting in fact. From my side, I am
> coming from São Paulo where I was in a course where people
> teached us to execute the new computer program that will
> simulate the electric brazilian system: the "Newave"
> program. Very interesting indeed.

um, you lost me....

> I really can't imagine how marvelous have to be life from all
> people around you. Serious.

Yes, being a junk collector is fun...God, i have so much of it, and in a few months, i'll have to pick it up and move it again.

I'm getting lazy in my old age. I hate the place where I'm at, yet am tempted to stay just so I don't have to move anything.

> Well, sometimes.

> I never upgrade computer programs, except the ones I am the
> author of.

It's not that hard. That's what I don't get.

> I have it. I watch Seinfeld everyday. And I hear lots of musics
> when I work, and when I go to the Net.

But, you consider this fun? Wouldn't you rather be doing something else?

> The don't run after me, even if they want it. In fact I go from
> *work to school* in 20 minutes... and from *school to home* in
> five minutes. You know, sometimes I just can't express myself
> well in English. Well, in portuguese the thing is the same...

Well, I was just kidding. I got a mental image of your students chasing after you with sticks until you got to the safety of your house.

> Oh, this is bad. But I love you all the same.

Yes, pee smell is bad.

> Oh, I like these kind of stories. I like films that passes in
> black american ghettos for example - I don't know why, but I am
> really impressed by this subject. The Snoop Dogg songs are a
> part of it.

Do we even make many of those films anymore?

> And the strange thing is that the guy was a sort of
> "hippie" or "alternative" guy. I don't know
> what more I have to think about him, hehe.

oh, that is bizarre!

> Completely correct. And the worst thing yet is when people say
> that some white blues band is good just because they play
> "well". Any music isn't good just because the
> musicians play well.

I guess it's really what you do with the genre. If you borrow from it and acknowledge that it's an influence on your own music, that is one thing. We wouldn't have rock music without the blues. We'd all be out doing a country square dance today if it hadn't been for that, so feel lucky.

> That's true. You should hear the Sandy's versions of Celine's
> songs. Perhaps you would like it and I wouldn't think myself
> crazy for liking here anymore.

> Me? I would be happy if I would be he first lover...

does your wife know about this?

> But you know this will never happen.

> Because he loves us.

poor sickly little flake...

> I read it. I am really impressed of how I was correct about you
> and Morrissey.

Huh? What were you correct about?

> Well, I am waiting for his Hey Jude version to be played here.

don't come chasing after me if he doesn't.
 
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> That's not a shock. He always says "no" to everything.

Just like you.

Oh, forgive me I couldn't resist...

> The internet.

I told you!

> its' unproven

I know it. But who cares?

> Really?

> You know, back in '97 when he went from New Mexico to Oklahoma,
> I wonder if they actually took I-20 which would go through the
> panhandle, or he ordered the bus to drive around it.

It doesn't matter in fact because Morrissey can feel you wherever he is.

> um, you lost me....

Well, the electric brazilian system has a computer program called Newave - and I went to São Paulo to know how I can use it. But unfortunately they didn't permit to bring it to Curitiba...

> Yes, being a junk collector is fun...God, i have so much of it,
> and in a few months, i'll have to pick it up and move it again.

> I'm getting lazy in my old age. I hate the place where I'm at,
> yet am tempted to stay just so I don't have to move anything.

I really love the Carmelites. Serious. They teached me it would be possible to be really happy without needing to trip or to walk around.

> It's not that hard. That's what I don't get.

Don't you get uploading programs or understanding why people like me are simply stupid?

> But, you consider this fun? Wouldn't you rather be doing
> something else?

Well, perhaps.

Have you some suggestion?

> Well, I was just kidding. I got a mental image of your students
> chasing after you with sticks until you got to the safety of
> your house.

Hehehe. Me too. You have great ideas Suzanne. That's why I love you.

> Yes, pee smell is bad.

But you know, it's just life.

> Do we even make many of those films anymore?

I don't know. I pratically don't see films anymore. The last one i watched was "The Blair Witch Project". Two times. A really great film. It scared me.

> oh, that is bizarre!

> I guess it's really what you do with the genre. If you borrow
> from it and acknowledge that it's an influence on your own
> music, that is one thing. We wouldn't have rock music without
> the blues. We'd all be out doing a country square dance today if
> it hadn't been for that, so feel lucky.

In Curitiba there's a "country movement" where some stupid people mak groups to appreciate the "brazilian country music". You really never heard horrible songs like those. I think not even Björk is so horrible.

> does your wife know about this?

She knows everything.

Sometimes this is good but sometimes this scares me.

> poor sickly little flake...

> Huh? What were you correct about?

The fact he didn't go to Texas because of you.

> don't come chasing after me if he doesn't.

Well, I decided he won't sing this song. He says no to everything.


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just say no

> Just like you.

> Oh, forgive me I couldn't resist...

hey, why not speak the truth?

> I told you!

> I know it. But who cares?

ok...if they are all about the same person....

speaking of weirdness....I had a headache all week...and then he cancels his show because of his, and this morning, I woke up with hacking and coughing with a raspy voice....then i read Morrissey's voice was cracking from a cold...

> It doesn't matter in fact because Morrissey can feel you
> wherever he is.

yeah, it's sort of like Darth Vader stuff, I guess. But admit it, he probably knows how to spy.

> Well, the electric brazilian system has a computer program
> called Newave - and I went to São Paulo to know how I can use
> it. But unfortunately they didn't permit to bring it to
> Curitiba...

hey, at least you got a trip out of it.

> I really love the Carmelites. Serious. They teached me it would
> be possible to be really happy without needing to trip or to
> walk around.

In theory that sounds very good, but what is the matter with walking? How about when you get too out of shape from not walking and your clothes don't fit and you feel tired, miserable, and achey all the time? If I go too long without it, I can get backaches or a stiff neck, so it's necessary to do it in my case.

> Don't you get uploading programs or understanding why people
> like me are simply stupid?

um, no, not that...i'm just saying that your basic home computer these days is very simply put together and anyone who sits down with the directions and reads them will do OK. I find that in most cases when people break things is because they put it together, can't figure out why it doesn't work, and THEN they pull the directions out of the box to look at them.

And I'll hate to tell you the biggest culprit for breaking things: the guys who suddenly become superman. "Step aside, little lady, I'll fix it!" out of some stupid need to prove he is a macho guy, and then they go and break the thing even more. I like it when anyone can admit that they can't fix something. It saves a lot of hassle, and I don't think any worse of them...heh, actually, I'll make more fun of them if they break it.

> Well, perhaps.

> Have you some suggestion?

Oh, hmm.. like going out and doing something you've never done before? Or trying an old thing in a new location? Even reading a book in a park somewhere else across town livens up your senses a bit, I would imagine.

> Hehehe. Me too. You have great ideas Suzanne. That's why I love
> you.

> But you know, it's just life.

> I don't know. I pratically don't see films anymore. The last one
> i watched was "The Blair Witch Project". Two times. A
> really great film. It scared me.

Yes, I've seen it about 6-8 times already. A friend of mine wanted to see it last night so I brought my copy over. It's not really frightening to me anymore, but it's fun to watch.

> In Curitiba there's a "country movement" where some
> stupid people mak groups to appreciate the "brazilian
> country music". You really never heard horrible songs like
> those. I think not even Björk is so horrible.

heh heh heh.

you know, all that music with square dancing in the south is nothing more than a bunch of traditional Irish and Scottish songs....I went to a Cealidh and felt like I was in 1st grade again as we did do-si-dos for Phys. Ed.

So, as you know, those songs exist in their current form for a reason. They may suck, but on the otherhand, you want to have part of your tradition there just so you don't melt completely into one fast food chain.

> She knows everything.

> Sometimes this is good but sometimes this scares me.

that's a good thing because that means you discuss things with her instead of hiding them.

> The fact he didn't go to Texas because of you.

heh. well, sometimes odd things happen..coincidences, the paranormal....and nobody knows why....

> Well, I decided he won't sing this song. He says no to
> everything.

At least you understand...
 
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Re: just say no

> hey, why not speak the truth?

Well, you are correct (again).

> ok...if they are all about the same person....

> speaking of weirdness....I had a headache all week...and then he
> cancels his show because of his, and this morning, I woke up
> with hacking and coughing with a raspy voice....then i read
> Morrissey's voice was cracking from a cold...

This is really serious?

If so I have some parapsicological questions to you: how many hours a day you spend thinking about Morrissey? And what kind of thoughts do you have about him?

> yeah, it's sort of like Darth Vader stuff, I guess. But admit
> it, he probably knows how to spy.

You can't imagine how well he does it.

> hey, at least you got a trip out of it.

Oh yeah. I really like to be in a plane. It's a thing that makes me really happy.

> In theory that sounds very good, but what is the matter with
> walking? How about when you get too out of shape from not
> walking and your clothes don't fit and you feel tired,
> miserable, and achey all the time? If I go too long without it,
> I can get backaches or a stiff neck, so it's necessary to do it
> in my case.

Well, you have to believe in a good God that stays near us... so it will be easier to understand...

> um, no, not that...i'm just saying that your basic home computer
> these days is very simply put together and anyone who sits down
> with the directions and reads them will do OK. I find that in
> most cases when people break things is because they put it
> together, can't figure out why it doesn't work, and THEN they
> pull the directions out of the box to look at them.

> And I'll hate to tell you the biggest culprit for breaking
> things: the guys who suddenly become superman. "Step aside,
> little lady, I'll fix it!" out of some stupid need to prove
> he is a macho guy, and then they go and break the thing even
> more. I like it when anyone can admit that they can't fix
> something. It saves a lot of hassle, and I don't think any worse
> of them...heh, actually, I'll make more fun of them if they
> break it.

Oh you are completely right. It's really a shame when people wants to show themselves better than they really are.

I don't know if this was because of my education but I really feel myself completely different from most heterosexual men I know: I just don't want to prove anything to anybody. I just don't feel the need to show myself more "masculine" or more intelligent than anybody. I just want to go home and see my daughter and watch a Seinfeld episode I didn't watched before.

I really had a "castrated" education but when I went out of this I think I had a good quality to begin with.

Or I am a completely stupid, so I can't prove anything indeed...

> Oh, hmm.. like going out and doing something you've never done
> before? Or trying an old thing in a new location? Even reading a
> book in a park somewhere else across town livens up your senses
> a bit, I would imagine.

Well, I really feel myself very well talking with people so far from me like you or Greasetea.

I like doing new things, but this way I lost myself a bit generally.

And you know there's a new Universe that opens in front of me each time I hear the same Robert Johnson songs...

> Yes, I've seen it about 6-8 times already. A friend of mine
> wanted to see it last night so I brought my copy over. It's not
> really frightening to me anymore, but it's fun to watch.

Oh Suzanne you have a really good taste!

I watched it two times but I really want to see more. And you know I watch few films nowadays, but I think I have to have a copy of "The Blair Witch Project" at home!

> heh heh heh.

And the weirdest thing ever happened this evening: I watched by coincidence a program about this horrendous "brazilian country movement" when they showed a party of these stupid guys... do you guess the party was? In The Forum!!!...

... the place where Morrissey will play in Curitiba.

> you know, all that music with square dancing in the south is
> nothing more than a bunch of traditional Irish and Scottish
> songs....I went to a Cealidh and felt like I was in 1st grade
> again as we did do-si-dos for Phys. Ed.

> So, as you know, those songs exist in their current form for a
> reason. They may suck, but on the otherhand, you want to have
> part of your tradition there just so you don't melt completely
> into one fast food chain.

I think you are correct about the tradition: I was in Paranaguá (a city in the seaboard near Curitiba) and some local people starting to play and dance the "fandango", a local kind of music. I was really really moved by it.

And I have a friend of mine who went to Texas recently (and to Austin too!) and he promised he would lend me some country music cds from Texas: I am sure I'll like it... they'll have certainly all the correct "atmosphere" to be appreciated...

My problem with some songs in Brazil that they have no tradition at all in them: they simply suck. It's just like a white man playing the blues.

> that's a good thing because that means you discuss things with
> her instead of hiding them.

It's more than this in fact.

I simply can't hide things from her... because she has some... supernatural powers...

> heh. well, sometimes odd things happen..coincidences, the
> paranormal....and nobody knows why....

I see it very sometimes...

> At least you understand...

I do?


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Re: just say no

> Well, you are correct (again).

> This is really serious?

> If so I have some parapsicological questions to you: how many
> hours a day you spend thinking about Morrissey? And what kind of
> thoughts do you have about him?

Bad thoughts! :^)

No, but seriously folks, I have allergies. Everything is pollenating all at once around here and that's why i'm all messed up. Unless he had a nosebleed a few days ago, there is no connection between the two of us.

> You can't imagine how well he does it.

> Oh yeah. I really like to be in a plane. It's a thing that makes
> me really happy.

Isn't it good? See, there are somethings that even the Carmelites can't account for.

> Well, you have to believe in a good God that stays near us... so
> it will be easier to understand...

So, I guess they don't really believe much in the idea of God using people as his workers to carry out his plan.

> Oh you are completely right. It's really a shame when people
> wants to show themselves better than they really are.

sometimes you can;t fault it. especially if you know you will get looked down upon if you don't try.

> I don't know if this was because of my education but I really
> feel myself completely different from most heterosexual men I
> know: I just don't want to prove anything to anybody. I just
> don't feel the need to show myself more "masculine" or
> more intelligent than anybody. I just want to go home and see my
> daughter and watch a Seinfeld episode I didn't watched before.

And that's a good thing. From what I can see, that is a very intelligent way to live. Hand things over to people who know what they are doing if you don't want to cause more damage than what is possible.

> I really had a "castrated" education but when I went
> out of this I think I had a good quality to begin with.

> Or I am a completely stupid, so I can't prove anything indeed...

> Well, I really feel myself very well talking with people so far
> from me like you or Greasetea.

*cough*

yeah, most people around me annoy the hell out of me. I should try and be more tolerant of people, shouldn't I? you've got a good method. people still like you in the end. What is it?

> I like doing new things, but this way I lost myself a bit
> generally.

> And you know there's a new Universe that opens in front of me
> each time I hear the same Robert Johnson songs...

All in one song? I can't remember the last time I discovered anything that did that.

> Oh Suzanne you have a really good taste!

I try.

Actually, I really didn't mean to see that film at all. I hate to sound like a snob, but I really didn't feel like being suckered into another Indie film trend. It wasn't until my friend and I got the dates for another film opening wrong that we ended up with that instead. Then, I was surprised.

> I watched it two times but I really want to see more. And you
> know I watch few films nowadays, but I think I have to have a
> copy of "The Blair Witch Project" at home!

It's good to have around.

> And the weirdest thing ever happened this evening: I watched by
> coincidence a program about this horrendous "brazilian
> country movement" when they showed a party of these stupid
> guys... do you guess the party was? In The Forum!!!...

> ... the place where Morrissey will play in Curitiba.

Hey, that means Morrissey will be playing Brazillian country music in a few weeks!

> I think you are correct about the tradition: I was in Paranaguá
> (a city in the seaboard near Curitiba) and some local people
> starting to play and dance the "fandango", a local
> kind of music. I was really really moved by it.

You always have to keep your ears open. People like Johnny Marr listened to all sorts of music and that is why you get such a variety on everything he makes.

> And I have a friend of mine who went to Texas recently (and to
> Austin too!) and he promised he would lend me some country music
> cds from Texas: I am sure I'll like it... they'll have certainly
> all the correct "atmosphere" to be appreciated...

Enh...well, believe it or not, Austin is mostly a white boys blues hangout. I don't think there is much country western music around here. Not that I miss it...

> My problem with some songs in Brazil that they have no tradition
> at all in them: they simply suck. It's just like a white man
> playing the blues.

> It's more than this in fact.

> I simply can't hide things from her... because she has some...
> supernatural powers...

when you're used to people giving you the runaround, you end up developing some supernatural powers.

> I see it very sometimes...

> I do?

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Re: just say no

> Bad thoughts! :^)

You have my photo if you want to have thoughts about me... I would be sooo happy!!!

> No, but seriously folks, I have allergies. Everything is
> pollenating all at once around here and that's why i'm all
> messed up. Unless he had a nosebleed a few days ago, there is no
> connection between the two of us.

But I have never had a single allergie and I have strange things in my feet today... serious. Is this conexion among us?

> Isn't it good? See, there are somethings that even the
> Carmelites can't account for.

Ok, but they have so many better things we don't have.

> So, I guess they don't really believe much in the idea of God
> using people as his workers to carry out his plan.

No, they think they are bad workers and they ask pardon to God all the time.

> sometimes you can;t fault it. especially if you know you will
> get looked down upon if you don't try.

If people think like this they don't deserve our attention, I think...

> And that's a good thing. From what I can see, that is a very
> intelligent way to live. Hand things over to people who know
> what they are doing if you don't want to cause more damage than
> what is possible.

I never want to cause damages, in fact.

> *cough*

> yeah, most people around me annoy the hell out of me. I should
> try and be more tolerant of people, shouldn't I? you've got a
> good method. people still like you in the end. What is it?

Hey Suzanne, do you really care about it?

You always surprise me.

> All in one song? I can't remember the last time I discovered
> anything that did that.

Not even my posts?

(Well, of course it was a joke...)

> I try.

> Actually, I really didn't mean to see that film at all. I hate
> to sound like a snob, but I really didn't feel like being
> suckered into another Indie film trend. It wasn't until my
> friend and I got the dates for another film opening wrong that
> we ended up with that instead. Then, I was surprised.

But you see Suzanne, I think this film has some power that goes directly to our inconscient. I felt less scared the last time I watched it, but I am really tempted to see it again.

Few films did it to me: I could quote one famous from Frank Capra (I don't remeber its name in english), another one from Bergman (I don't remember its name either) and vanguardist brazilian film from the begining of the century called "Limite" ("limit" in english). About Limite, almost all scenes stay in my mind until now (I watched it four or five times more than 10 years ago), and the scenes are so impressive and so beautiful. I don't use to like experimental films, but this one is superb. And the story of the film director (his name was Mário Peixoto) is impressive too: he made this film in 1921 (I think), and stayed alive until the nineties and he never made another one! Anyway, "Limite" was chosed by critics more than once the best brazilian film ever...

> It's good to have around.

To scary people around... hehe.

> Hey, that means Morrissey will be playing Brazillian country
> music in a few weeks!

He won't go to Curitiba anymore (a friend told me). I think he knew about the brazilian country party...

> You always have to keep your ears open. People like Johnny Marr
> listened to all sorts of music and that is why you get such a
> variety on everything he makes.

I try to keep my ears open, in fact. All styles of music has good songs. Do you agree?

> Enh...well, believe it or not, Austin is mostly a white boys
> blues hangout. I don't think there is much country western music
> around here. Not that I miss it...

Hehe. Anyway, we have pratically no music in Curitiba. In pop/rock music for example, almost all mid-size cities in Brazil has groups and singers that make success (in Brazil of course)... but no group from Curitiba makes success (including the guy I know who plays blues).

> when you're used to people giving you the runaround, you end up
> developing some supernatural powers.

Oh, really?

> oh yes.

Oh!!!




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but i never said being sick was a bad thing

> You have my photo if you want to have thoughts about me... I
> would be sooo happy!!!

sorry. i only have room for one...

> But I have never had a single allergie and I have strange things
> in my feet today... serious. Is this conexion among us?

what sort of strange things in your feet? warts? callouses? do you have those happy feet da da duh happy feet oh how i love it!

you missed my coughing fit. My Abs hurt. I can't even talk a couple of minutes before I have to completely stop, so I sit and read. It's very dull.

> Ok, but they have so many better things we don't have.

if you don't need anything, then you are technically no worse off then they are.

> No, they think they are bad workers and they ask pardon to God
> all the time.

like the Catholics? ooops, those people ask priests for forgiveness. they don't ask God for anything.

OK, and so what do they think of people like Noah? If he hadn't built an ark, there would be no one on this planet today.

> If people think like this they don't deserve our attention, I
> think...

yet, we all become them at some point. sad but true, we all weenie out and become something we aren't

> I never want to cause damages, in fact.

> Hey Suzanne, do you really care about it?

um, somewhat, yes...
ya see Fabricio, sometimes you can't really imagine your life going on in one way forever. To still be this way in 10 years would really suck. You wait for things, because you think things will come, but what you really are in is limbo. Nothing ever shows up, and nothing ever gives you a clue on what you can do to make it show up, and my usual manner in trying to achieve things results in disaster, so I need another option.

> You always surprise me.

> Not even my posts?

Um, it's been a general dulling of the senses.

> (Well, of course it was a joke...)

> But you see Suzanne, I think this film has some power that goes
> directly to our inconscient. I felt less scared the last time I
> watched it, but I am really tempted to see it again.

yes, you know when to keep your eyes closed this time.

> Few films did it to me: I could quote one famous from Frank
> Capra (I don't remeber its name in english), another one from
> Bergman (I don't remember its name either) and vanguardist
> brazilian film from the begining of the century called
> "Limite" ("limit" in english). About Limite,
> almost all scenes stay in my mind until now (I watched it four
> or five times more than 10 years ago), and the scenes are so
> impressive and so beautiful. I don't use to like experimental
> films, but this one is superb. And the story of the film
> director (his name was Mário Peixoto) is impressive too: he made
> this film in 1921 (I think), and stayed alive until the nineties
> and he never made another one! Anyway, "Limite" was
> chosed by critics more than once the best brazilian film ever...

Nothing like Godard, is it?

I don't think I've ever seen a Brazilian film.

> To scary people around... hehe.

> He won't go to Curitiba anymore (a friend told me). I think he
> knew about the brazilian country party...

Aww... How do you know this? Why hasnt' anything been announced?

If it's true, sorry...

hey, if he does know about the Brazilian country party, then let's ask him what he wants instead.....he has something else in mind, so what could it be?

I can already hear the crickets chirping.

> I try to keep my ears open, in fact. All styles of music has
> good songs. Do you agree?

Yes. some people are really masters of their genre.

> Hehe. Anyway, we have pratically no music in Curitiba. In
> pop/rock music for example, almost all mid-size cities in Brazil
> has groups and singers that make success (in Brazil of
> course)... but no group from Curitiba makes success (including
> the guy I know who plays blues).

heh. sounds like Austin. People try and imagine this place spawns legends when in fact all we've able to muster up is Fastball. We put up a friggin statue to Stevie Ray Vaughn even though his hometown was not here.

Speaking of that, and south by southwest, I looked on the website and noticed that Sack was scheduled the first night...wednesday. Why on earth did they give them such a crappy time slot? I was horrified by the listings of who else was going to play at the festival. The Nixons? Tracy Bonham? What the hell is this crap? They're a bunch of washed up has-beens who haven't released anything beyond their one hit wonder crap. I thought this was a music festival showcasing people who had a chance.
 
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> sorry. i only have room for one...

Sorry for asking, but who is the happy person?

Oh you'll break my heart...

> what sort of strange things in your feet? warts? callouses?

Some sorts of allergies I think.

> do you have those happy feet da da duh happy feet oh how i love it!

da da duh happy feet??? what???

> you missed my coughing fit. My Abs hurt. I can't even talk a
> couple of minutes before I have to completely stop, so I sit and
> read. It's very dull.

Oh poor Suzanne... but I love you all the same!

> if you don't need anything, then you are technically no worse
> off then they are.

But I need some things so I am worse than them.

> like the Catholics? ooops, those people ask priests for
> forgiveness. they don't ask God for anything.

But the Carmelites are catholics! What do you expect? They ask priests for forgiveness and they ask God too.

> OK, and so what do they think of people like Noah? If he hadn't
> built an ark, there would be no one on this planet today.

Well, Carmelites are just more complex than this comparison to Noah.

> yet, we all become them at some point. sad but true, we all
> weenie out and become something we aren't

Yeah, but some part of us must stay intact.

> um, somewhat, yes...
> ya see Fabricio, sometimes you can't really imagine your life
> going on in one way forever. To still be this way in 10 years
> would really suck. You wait for things, because you think things
> will come, but what you really are in is limbo. Nothing ever
> shows up, and nothing ever gives you a clue on what you can do
> to make it show up, and my usual manner in trying to achieve
> things results in disaster, so I need another option.

And do you want to be like me for example? So, do you think people in general like me? Do you really want I tell you my inner feelings as a suggestion to you? If you really want some different point of view, of course I'll help you the best way I can. This is serious.

> Um, it's been a general dulling of the senses.

I don't think so. I like our conversations.

> yes, you know when to keep your eyes closed this time.

"I'm affraid of opening my eyes, I'm affraid of closing my eyes"

> Nothing like Godard, is it?

Well, I hate Godard! It's experimental but it's unexpected for the good: the film is a silent one (it was made in the twenties) and it has marvelous images of Angra dos Reis beach, the musics that are played in it are from Satie, Debussy and Ravel, the cameraman was a genius. The film consists in a man and two women in a lost boat, and they tell their stories - only by images. There's pratically no subtitles in the film, so it's good to read the story before watching the film. The title "Limit" is about the human limits - a kind of existencialist thing. But the film is really really poetic.

> I don't think I've ever seen a Brazilian film.

There are some very good Brazilian films, but I only know their portuguese titles: "Vidas Secas" (sixties) and "Memórias do Cárcere" (eighties) from Nelson Pereira dos Santos. "Terra em Transe" and "Deus e o Diabo na Terra do Sol" from Gláuber Rocha (sixties). And we have a very good film called "Central do Brasil" that competed for two Oscars last year (best actress - Fernanda Montenegro and best foreigner film).

> Aww... How do you know this? Why hasnt' anything been announced?

Well, this friend of mine told me that the show was cancelled, and I mailed the Forum house to know the truth. The truth is that the show is not confirmed nor cancelled yet.

> If it's true, sorry...

Well, but it seems that the São Paulo show is confirmed, and the tickets are on sale now. And i don't think I'll go there...

> hey, if he does know about the Brazilian country party, then
> let's ask him what he wants instead.....he has something else in
> mind, so what could it be?

Perhaps a João Gilberto or a Snoop Dogg show. Or a show where these two guys play toghether - it would be fine.

> I can already hear the crickets chirping.

> Yes. some people are really masters of their genre.

And perhaps not much more than this. See blues for example: I heard lots of it but I like only two or three singers. The same with rap: Eric B and Rakim, Snoop Dogg and the Brazilian (!) Racionais MC's and MV Bill.

> heh. sounds like Austin. People try and imagine this place
> spawns legends when in fact all we've able to muster up is
> Fastball. We put up a friggin statue to Stevie Ray Vaughn even
> though his hometown was not here.

hehehe. He was a good bluesman, as I watched once or twince at TV.

But a white one.

> Speaking of that, and south by southwest, I looked on the
> website and noticed that Sack was scheduled the first
> night...wednesday. Why on earth did they give them such a crappy
> time slot? I was horrified by the listings of who else was going
> to play at the festival. The Nixons? Tracy Bonham? What the hell
> is this crap? They're a bunch of washed up has-beens who haven't
> released anything beyond their one hit wonder crap. I thought
> this was a music festival showcasing people who had a chance.

Well, that's how life is. The managers here in Curitiba are affraid that Morrissey will come and the Forum will not sold out, and they'll lost their money. You see our money (R$: real) is weak and perhaps this will be the cause for Morrissey not going here...
 
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> Sorry for asking, but who is the happy person?

> Oh you'll break my heart...

I thought we already established it was Morrissey! What? Do you actually think I have someone? Bah! What's wrong with you?

> Some sorts of allergies I think.

Your feet have allergies? ARe they sneezing?

> da da duh happy feet??? what???

It's a song. Sort of jazzy in nature, more famously recorded by a local pop jazz group on about 3 different albums...because they kept getting new lead singers and felt the world needed a new rendition of "Happy Feet"

> Oh poor Suzanne... but I love you all the same!

yeah, but i would drive you nuts if i was in the same room. *cough*

> But I need some things so I am worse than them.

> But the Carmelites are catholics! What do you expect? They ask
> priests for forgiveness and they ask God too.

They seem to have a weird habit of praying to saints...and correct me if I'm wrong, but aren't saints just ordinary people who did something extroardinary in the name of God?

> Well, Carmelites are just more complex than this comparison to
> Noah.

But it's true. Mary did the will of God as did many others. From what I gather, the church says that you can't be God's messenger unless they personally choose you to do so.

> Yeah, but some part of us must stay intact.

> And do you want to be like me for example? So, do you think
> people in general like me? Do you really want I tell you my
> inner feelings as a suggestion to you? If you really want some
> different point of view, of course I'll help you the best way I
> can. This is serious.

hell, i don't know. you just seem to attract much more niceness...

> I don't think so. I like our conversations.

it's more than that...

> "I'm affraid of opening my eyes, I'm affraid of closing my
> eyes"

> Well, I hate Godard!

yeah me too, that's why i was asking

>It's experimental but it's unexpected for
> the good: the film is a silent one (it was made in the twenties)
> and it has marvelous images of Angra dos Reis beach, the musics
> that are played in it are from Satie, Debussy and Ravel, the
> cameraman was a genius. The film consists in a man and two women
> in a lost boat, and they tell their stories - only by images.
> There's pratically no subtitles in the film, so it's good to
> read the story before watching the film. The title
> "Limit" is about the human limits - a kind of
> existencialist thing. But the film is really really poetic.

> There are some very good Brazilian films, but I only know their
> portuguese titles: "Vidas Secas" (sixties) and
> "Memórias do Cárcere" (eighties) from Nelson Pereira
> dos Santos. "Terra em Transe" and "Deus e o Diabo
> na Terra do Sol" from Gláuber Rocha (sixties). And we have
> a very good film called "Central do Brasil" that
> competed for two Oscars last year (best actress - Fernanda
> Montenegro and best foreigner film).

Well, i'm sure my local indie video store might have them. Not that I've ever taken a stroll through the Brazillian section, but they do have a pretty large foreign section all together.

> Well, this friend of mine told me that the show was cancelled,
> and I mailed the Forum house to know the truth. The truth is
> that the show is not confirmed nor cancelled yet.

sheesh, this is my first rule: do not listen to anyone about anything. in my experience, people don't usually know what they are talking about.

> Well, but it seems that the São Paulo show is confirmed, and the
> tickets are on sale now. And i don't think I'll go there...

heh. well, yes, travelling for a show is a gamble. From what I can see, you are better off if you know there are several shows nearby in case something happens and the entire band collapses in back spasms at one show. If you choose an area with many shows, there is a good chance that maybe 4/5 of the group are able to perform.

> Perhaps a João Gilberto or a Snoop Dogg show. Or a show where
> these two guys play toghether - it would be fine.

that would be interesting to say the least.

> And perhaps not much more than this. See blues for example: I
> heard lots of it but I like only two or three singers. The same
> with rap: Eric B and Rakim, Snoop Dogg and the Brazilian (!)
> Racionais MC's and MV Bill.

nobody said you had to like everything.

I don't care if I'm well versed on many genres.

> hehehe. He was a good bluesman, as I watched once or twince at
> TV.

> But a white one.

I didn't care either way. They showed him for the one billionth re-run of Austin City Limits and I tried to watch, but I got bored when I noticed the song he was playing seemed to have no end.

> Well, that's how life is. The managers here in Curitiba are
> affraid that Morrissey will come and the Forum will not sold
> out, and they'll lost their money. You see our money (R$: real)
> is weak and perhaps this will be the cause for Morrissey not
> going here...

maybe. i guess. i don't know jack crap about promotions or management. That's an entirely different planet then what I live on.
 
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Re: but i never said being sick was a bad thing

> I thought we already established it was Morrissey! What? Do you
> actually think I have someone? Bah! What's wrong with you?

Nothing wrong. Just a passioned heart who is affraid...

> Your feet have allergies? ARe they sneezing?

No, they aren't. They itch a little bit. And sometimes in bad places.

> It's a song. Sort of jazzy in nature, more famously recorded by
> a local pop jazz group on about 3 different albums...because
> they kept getting new lead singers and felt the world needed a
> new rendition of "Happy Feet"

Hehehe. As Paul McCartney in his new rendition of the begining of the Beatles, isn't it?

> yeah, but i would drive you nuts if i was in the same room.
> *cough*

Being in the same room as you? It would be so exciting...

> They seem to have a weird habit of praying to saints...

I have the bad habit to pray to Saint Teresa of Avila and Saint Teresa of Lisieux.

And my favorite singer is called Teresa, as my daughter.

And my marvelous grandmother was called Thereza.

An my marvelous mother in law is called Maria Thereza.

>and
> correct me if I'm wrong, but aren't saints just ordinary people
> who did something extroardinary in the name of God?

Saints, as the prophets, are good people sent by God himself to show good examples to the sinners.

> But it's true. Mary did the will of God as did many others. From
> what I gather, the church says that you can't be God's messenger
> unless they personally choose you to do so.

God wants everything, God can EveryThing.

> hell, i don't know. you just seem to attract much more
> niceness...

Yes, sometimes I am really well surprised for some good reactions towards me.

But you know, if you treat nice other people they are bound to treat you nice too.

Well, this may not be my case anyway... And sometimes I am bad treated too, here and elsewhere.

> it's more than that...

Wow! What do you meant here? Nice thoughts towards me?

> yeah me too, that's why i was asking

We have lots of things in common, don't you think?

> Well, i'm sure my local indie video store might have them. Not
> that I've ever taken a stroll through the Brazillian section,
> but they do have a pretty large foreign section all together.

And Brazil normally don't produce lots of films, and unfortunately the great most part of them is terribly boring - lots of Godard style movies... and lots of simply bad ones...

> sheesh, this is my first rule: do not listen to anyone about
> anything. in my experience, people don't usually know what they
> are talking about.

I'll write this phrase in my book of important thoughts - you are correct again.

Anyway, sometimes people are correct. You don't have to lose the faith.

> heh. well, yes, travelling for a show is a gamble. From what I
> can see, you are better off if you know there are several shows
> nearby in case something happens and the entire band collapses
> in back spasms at one show. If you choose an area with many
> shows, there is a good chance that maybe 4/5 of the group are
> able to perform.

Unfortunately most of shows in São Paulo are with Brazilian bands... hehe...

> that would be interesting to say the least.

It's even difficult to imagine the thing...hehe

> nobody said you had to like everything.

Oh, sorry if I was rude here. It must have been my English again... And even the samba has good singers: Beth Carvalho, Dudu Nobre and the best of them, Zeca Pagodinho.

> I don't care if I'm well versed on many genres.

This is just another quality of yours.

> I didn't care either way. They showed him for the one billionth
> re-run of Austin City Limits and I tried to watch, but I got
> bored when I noticed the song he was playing seemed to have no
> end.

This is very common in these kind of "modern" music...

> maybe. i guess. i don't know jack crap about promotions or
> management. That's an entirely different planet then what I live
> on.

I'll try to see if my journalist friend toches me something about it. It's very difficult to me to.

Anyway, I work in an Electricity Trader and I am begining to understand a little bit of these kind of things...


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thanks from the bottom of my artichoke heart

> Nothing wrong. Just a passioned heart who is affraid...

> No, they aren't. They itch a little bit. And sometimes in bad
> places.

Huh? Feet have naughty places? :^)

Sounds more like athlete's foot which is not an allergy. Unless the fungus on your feet was releasing spores that make you start sneezing, you don't qualify.

hey, but check it out! The people at the pharmacy gave me this syringe looking device with my cough syrup so I can measure the quantity. I feel like a heroin addict with it.

> Hehehe. As Paul McCartney in his new rendition of the begining
> of the Beatles, isn't it?

totally different. you have a new singer for each song.

> Being in the same room as you? It would be so exciting...

I'm not that fascinating. I do the best impersonation of sitting like a lump that you have ever seen.

> I have the bad habit to pray to Saint Teresa of Avila and Saint
> Teresa of Lisieux.

> And my favorite singer is called Teresa, as my daughter.

> And my marvelous grandmother was called Thereza.

> An my marvelous mother in law is called Maria Thereza.

Don't you ever get confused over who you are talking to?

> Saints, as the prophets, are good people sent by God himself to
> show good examples to the sinners.

Yes, but those people are doing God's will, aren't they?

From what I understand, most saints receive a message from Jesus or an angel telling them to do something. Obviously, these people weren't born knowing what to do. They lead very human lives and nobody really heralded their existance. And if you say that we should look to them because God is on their side, then I say that every civilization believes God is on their side (which is very handy when going to war) and therefore, you are really gaining nothing in the end. If God is for everyone, then we are all on the same playing field.

And what if someone receives a message from God, and yet, nobody but the person themselves knows it? I could have good reason to pray to the guy who works at the video store and never know it. And even if people found out, the catholic church wouldn't be interested in canonizing him because he may not have very strong ties to the church, and his social position may not lend itself to the church embracing him.

What I think of the Catholic power structure and how they choose what a saint is, and which priests are worthy of forgiving you, is really nothing more than a left over remnant from their height of power in mideival times....or probably more from the time they were starting to lose power.

> God wants everything, God can EveryThing.

> Yes, sometimes I am really well surprised for some good
> reactions towards me.

> But you know, if you treat nice other people they are bound to
> treat you nice too.

Not necessarily.

There are two types you can fall under: you can be the good friend or the chump. The good friend is the person you call up any day of the week to go out and spend time with and enjoy life. The chump is the person you call if you need a ride to a club and nobody in your group has a car.

> Well, this may not be my case anyway... And sometimes I am bad
> treated too, here and elsewhere.

> Wow! What do you meant here? Nice thoughts towards me?

> We have lots of things in common, don't you think?

> And Brazil normally don't produce lots of films, and
> unfortunately the great most part of them is terribly boring -
> lots of Godard style movies... and lots of simply bad ones...

well, welcome to the world of film making. Most films are a piece of @#!!!.

> I'll write this phrase in my book of important thoughts - you
> are correct again.

> Anyway, sometimes people are correct. You don't have to lose the
> faith.

Enh. I think I get exposed to people who are full of it.

> Unfortunately most of shows in São Paulo are with Brazilian
> bands... hehe...

that';s not what I meant. I meant other Morrissey shows that will happen within the next day or so.

> It's even difficult to imagine the thing...hehe

> Oh, sorry if I was rude here. It must have been my English
> again... And even the samba has good singers: Beth Carvalho,
> Dudu Nobre and the best of them, Zeca Pagodinho.

that's not how I meant it...

> This is just another quality of yours.

how so?

> This is very common in these kind of "modern" music...

I don't consider him modern. The extended guitar solo that put you to sleep is pretty much dead.

> I'll try to see if my journalist friend toches me something
> about it. It's very difficult to me to.

the whole subject of money and business involved in music is so jarring. It's like you're selling a packaged deal, and you know you are selling a package, and yet, it's so hard to think of something you create and the image you make for yourself in terms of a consumable product.

> Anyway, I work in an Electricity Trader and I am begining to
> understand a little bit of these kind of things...

what does electricity have to do with it?
 
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Re: thanks from the bottom of my artichoke heart

Why were you so ironic in the title of your post?

> Huh? Feet have naughty places? :^)

All my body is naughty when I remember you.

> Sounds more like athlete's foot which is not an allergy. Unless
> the fungus on your feet was releasing spores that make you start
> sneezing, you don't qualify.

Oh, what a good doctor you are!

> hey, but check it out! The people at the pharmacy gave me this
> syringe looking device with my cough syrup so I can measure the
> quantity. I feel like a heroin addict with it.

Well, I take two remedies everyday: a Tylenol and another one against high pressure an hour before sleeping. I am addicted to them...

> totally different. you have a new singer for each song.

Well, it's just like the Beatles...

> I'm not that fascinating. I do the best impersonation of sitting
> like a lump that you have ever seen.

You know it isn't true...

> Don't you ever get confused over who you are talking to?

Oh, never. The five Teresas don't have the same age.

> Yes, but those people are doing God's will, aren't they?

Yes.

> From what I understand, most saints receive a message from Jesus
> or an angel telling them to do something. Obviously, these
> people weren't born knowing what to do. They lead very human
> lives and nobody really heralded their existance. And if you say
> that we should look to them because God is on their side, then I
> say that every civilization believes God is on their side (which
> is very handy when going to war) and therefore, you are really
> gaining nothing in the end. If God is for everyone, then we are
> all on the same playing field.

No, of course. The great religions have the same basis, say the same important things. The fake religions disappeared.

> And what if someone receives a message from God, and yet, nobody
> but the person themselves knows it? I could have good reason to
> pray to the guy who works at the video store and never know it.
> And even if people found out, the catholic church wouldn't be
> interested in canonizing him because he may not have very strong
> ties to the church, and his social position may not lend itself
> to the church embracing him.

Why don't you really pray to your guy? Pray with faith that interesting things will happen to you.

> What I think of the Catholic power structure and how they choose
> what a saint is, and which priests are worthy of forgiving you,
> is really nothing more than a left over remnant from their
> height of power in mideival times....or probably more from the
> time they were starting to lose power.

There's no religion without praying - I just can't understand how people that doesn't pray wants to discuss religion.

> Not necessarily.

> There are two types you can fall under: you can be the good
> friend or the chump. The good friend is the person you call up
> any day of the week to go out and spend time with and enjoy
> life. The chump is the person you call if you need a ride to a
> club and nobody in your group has a car.

And what kind of guy do you think I am?

> well, welcome to the world of film making. Most films are a
> piece of @#!!! .

Yeah. That's why I prefer to see the american series like Dawson's Creek and Party of Five.

> Enh. I think I get exposed to people who are full of it.

Full of reason or full of faith?

> that';s not what I meant. I meant other Morrissey shows that
> will happen within the next day or so.

Oh, I see. We only care about our Morrissey, that's true...

> that's not how I meant it...

I am a relieved..

> how so?

All your characteristics are qualities.

> I don't consider him modern. The extended guitar solo that put
> you to sleep is pretty much dead.

Ok, but I am sure people who likes this kind of songs consider them "modern"...

> the whole subject of money and business involved in music is so
> jarring. It's like you're selling a packaged deal, and you know
> you are selling a package, and yet, it's so hard to think of
> something you create and the image you make for yourself in
> terms of a consumable product.

Almost everything material is consumable. We for example have our value as workers, and this signifies an amount of money. Music for me is true when has life in it - so it may represented by an amount of money too.

> what does electricity have to do with it?

Trading electric energy and trading a show has something in common: the trade.


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