Morrissey: "Current feminism does not help our societies and makes masculinism retaliate" - Culto

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    I will preface this article with a couple of caveats: firstly, it has gone through translate and secondly, context and details are lacking. It should be noted that the title is part of one question asked and not the main topic - it is a bit misleading. Only a few questions with lots of commentary/background.

    In Culto (part of La Tercera), by Andrés del Real (29th July, 2018):

    Morrissey: "Current feminism does not help our societies and makes masculinism retaliate"

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    Morrissey: "Current feminism does not help our societies and makes masculinism retaliate"

    How does a celebrity adapt to the times? Probably not being Morrissey, who, true to his style and before his return to Chile, shoots against modern feminism, the English press and "the culture of the negation of the left".
    Last month, an indeterminate number of English self-styled "former admirers of Morrissey" announced on social networks a party against racism in Manchester, set for the same night that the British artist, his exidolo, would come to the city with the tour promotional of his most recent album, Low in high school. The reason? The statements that the former Smith of The Smiths had made days before, taking pity on the situation of the founder of the movement of extreme right English Defense League, Tommy Robinson, sentenced to 13 months in prison for contempt of court. Coincidence or not, days before the shows, the singer announced the cancellation of his dates in Manchester and all the rest of his European tour, due to "logistical problems".

    The episode is added to the increasingly extensive list of polemics starring the soloist, who with the same voice with which for decades has captivated different generations of followers in search of an answer to their torments and depressions, has also got into a series of problems and controversies, for statements against the British monarchy -one of its favorite targets-, multicultural Europe and immigration, and even the #metoo feminist movement, relativizing the denunciations against Harvey Weinstein and Kevin Spacey, among others. His verbal incontinence seems to go against the current tendency of his colleagues, quick to bend to all the causes that drive certain opinion leaders and many of their own followers.

    But even the sharpest language at some point knows when to stop, and Steven Patrick Morrissey is no exception: consulted by Worship about what happened in Manchester, the musician opts for silence. It is the only answer that he decides to omit from a questionnaire sent via mail at his request, in which, before launching a series of darts against various causes and modern institutions, he gives praise to the Chilean public.

    "It's always great for me to go to Chile. I feel that I am valued there as a serious artist, rather than as mere entertainment for the media,"

    says the 59-year-old soloist, once dubbed by the press of his country as "The Pope of Depression", from of the semi-divine cult that generates its sensitive and enlightened voice, which unleashes extreme and conflicting passions. A church that in Chile, despite its history of controversy, the canceled tours and the headaches that suppose for the producers their vegan demands and their particular character -recognized by the former director of the Viña Festival, Álex Hernández, who asked that the Briton "I hope he does not come back" - he still has a respectable legion of faithful, as the six presentations that the artist accumulates in the country prove,

    - In recent years, many of his statements to the press have generated controversy, including rejection and even campaigns against him. Do you feel that in these times it is difficult to express a different opinion to the predominant or politically incorrect current? Is it difficult today to be critical of modern life?

    - It is difficult in England, where all the written press is controlled by the left, which does not want an open debate or a different opinion. The left is closed minded and works very hard to maintain a culture of denial. If you do not agree with the left, you are massacred in the press for being a racist fanatic, your public is ridiculed and every effort is made to silence you. If you question Islam or multiculturalism, the BBC radio will not reproduce your music because Islam is now a dominant ideology in the United Kingdom. I oppose halal killing [a type of preparation of animal flesh according to Islamic law] as well as I oppose any killing of animals, and that is the reason why the "Loony Left" [term with which the European extreme left is pejoratively called in certain sectors of the United Kingdom] has tried to destroy me. My views are not controversial, but if you question Islam you can be sent to jail without a trial. This is Soviet Britain, it's very real, and it's too big a problem to take over.

    - Is feminism a topic that worries or generates a particular opinion? Do you think that musicians and artists in general have the responsibility to express a position on this topic today?

    -I discovered feminism when I was 14 years old. By then, it was the answer to everything, because it freed all people, not just women. I read And Jill Came Tumbling After (Judith Stacey), The Female Eunuch (Germaine Greer), Women and Madness(Phyllis Chesler) and they changed my point of view. Modern feminism is not the same because it seems to aspire to "whatever men do," and that seems to be enough. Therefore, it becomes a great success, for example, to have a female football team or a group of girls in a boy scout club. The original goal of feminism was to move towards a higher intellectual plane, but now it only seems to want to occupy masculine positions and receive male aggression. It does not help our societies and, on the contrary, it causes masculinism to retaliate. Female leaders in Germany and the United Kingdom have made a mess of those countries, and this does not help modern feminism either. In all matters what I ask of the people is that they think for themselves. Collect your own material and you will reach your own conclusions. It is easy. Just stop watching the news!

    Music does not change the world
    The criticisms of the voice of "How soon is now?" To the media are not new and have increased in the last time. Answering through his email seems to be the way he chose to communicate publicly, after he himself announced, last December during a concert in Germany, his decision to stop giving interviews to the written press, after accusing the newspaper Der Spiegel twisted his words in an interview in which, among other things, he would have indicated that the actor Kevin Spacey has been "unnecessarily attacked" after accusations of sexual abuse against him, and even that he would kill the president of the United States, Donald Trump, if the opportunity were given.

    But it has been the media in his country that have responded the hardest to the soloist. His eleventh solo album, Low in high school(2017), perhaps the most overtly political work of his discography, was warmly received by the specialized critics. And while an opinion column in The Guardian newspaper a few weeks ago called simply to "stop listening" to Morrissey's music, NME magazine this month published the story of Johnny Turner, a guy who imitates the singer in a tribute band to The Smiths, who confessed that these days people stop him in the street and contact him on social networks to insult him and threaten him if he supports the controversial sayings of his idol. If before being a fan of "Moz" was tantamount to declaring a misfit, today, in a time of greater sensitivity to certain causes postponed and in which many young people have chosen to "veto" their social networks to celebrities who do not share their opinions ,

    - In this era of musical consumption via streaming, social networks and post-truth, do you think that music, the lyrics of a song, can change the world? Or at least make it a little better?

    -We are very closed and I think we resort to music to discover who or what we are. Music tells us how to escape from certain things. It does not change the world, because songs are like art arrows and can not really compete with the silly spectacle of war, money and political violence ... which is what makes the world go round. The songs mitigate the trauma of ... just being alive.

    - In 2019 it will turn 60 years old. Is it something that bothers you or that you receive with peace of mind? Do you see yourself singing on stage and publishing albums for many more years?

    -I feel somewhat insensitive with respect to age. Everything happens so fast that it is difficult to even know what is really happening. As long as I have a good pulse, I know that I will have the initiative to sing. I am not a chosen one, I have never been promoted to be fashionable or I am where I am because of my appearance, therefore, I have not moved away from the original need to sing. You must continue as if everyone is listening to you ... Even if they are not!

    Article link:
    http://culto.latercera.com/2018/07/...sociedades-al-masculinismo-tomar-represalias/

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    Anyone from Chile in the know?
    Regards,
    FWD.

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    1. vegan.cro spirit# 127
      vegan.cro spirit# 127
      Drain the swamp of the shiftless lefty types not wall street LOL:crazy:
      Academics, egg heads, bureaucrats, those type of losers, let them go meditate on how to sell insurance.:lbf:

      We get the money back from MX via a shitload of tariffs we gonna lay on them moochers :lbf:

      Bernie and that Socialist chick are going to build everybody a private hospital.:lbf:
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    3. Aubrey McFate
      Aubrey McFate
      His tweets have a drunken and thoughtless quality (like much of everything else about him), and given that he follows the alt-right (a substantial portion of his base), it's little wonder if his tweets and retweets occasionally reflect their anti-Semitism. His daughter, Ivanka (who he seems to genuinely adore, and who he possibly wants to fuck), is a convert to Judaism, and his son-in-law Jared Kushner, an Orthodox Jew, has been put in charge of the administration's Middle East policy. This would be strange if Trump was a devout anti-Semite. The embassy move was as much pro-Israel as it was pro-Evangelical. And his supporters on the alt-right have criticized him for his strikes on Syria.

      Morrissey, on the other hand, remains perfect.
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    4. vegan.cro spirit# 111
      vegan.cro spirit# 111
      FFS dont let your mind imbibe FAKE NEWS:mask:

      The Islamic apologists those that favor Muslim are the anti Semites. In other words, the left wing loons.
      Remember, Hitler and the Nazis LOVED ISLAM AND MUSLIMS:sweet:, both parties hated Jews thus were
      ANTI SEMITES:censored:.

      This is why Moz is ON POINT by stating that Nazis were left wing. Who loves ISLAM the way HITLER did?
      THE LEFT WING!:fist: The REDS.:clap:
    5. Anonymous
      Anonymous
      Trump is a devout asshole. Anything else about him is up for negotiation, so that he can be an anti-Semite one minute and "having a great time with all my friends" (according to the guestbook) at a Holocaust museum the next.
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    6. Famous when dead
      Famous when dead
    7. vegan.cro spirit# 765
      vegan.cro spirit# 765
      JFC!!!doh:doh:

      "CNN" Chile:head-smack:

      CNN=FAKE NEWS:censored:
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    9. Anonymous
      Anonymous
      Read me, uneducated.

      My family fought against Nazism during WWII, several members of my family were arrested, tortured, some shot and others deported.
      They were left wing for the most part.
      Some died for hiding and rescuing Jews, resistance fighters or British and American pilots during the war.
      They gave their life and their youth, so that you can live in a free country, you and me.

      When I see your comments, I tell myself, that thousands of people have given their lives for nothing in fact!

      If you knew a little bit about history, you would see that hitler's rapprochement with some imams was only for the Arab peoples to rise up against the English colonizing their country, so nothing to do with the nazi's policy of extermination.

      In addition, we must not forget that prisoners of French colonial troops (and I do not speak of isolated cases or a dozen soldiers but several thousand men), were massacred by German troops (Whermacht and SS) during the battle of France in May / June 1940. And they were Muslims.
      So your reasoning is not valid.

      In conclusion, you, vegan.cro spirit and morrissey, go f * ck yourself ....
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    10. Anonymous
      Anonymous
      Yes he promised to have many things done on Day 1....but lets look at 2 years later ok? ok? How about 4 years? How about the mean old dems in the minority party blocked everything and are to blame? How about no excuses or extensions and look at the promises he made and didnt keep. Because I expect if we pick this up again in 4 years you will be say ing he just needs another term...lotsof things going on behind the scenes!!
      Let me save you the suspense on the stuff going on behind the scenes. Sessions does not have a secret investigation of Clinton and she will not be locked up. The Clinton distraction will continue to work on the base of the base but everyone else will begin to see it for what it is. The healthcare that is being attempted is no where near what he promised. It will not cover everyone. It will not be cheaper. It will not be better. It will not protect against pre-existing conditions. Back to the wild west days of pre-ACA. Mexico is not paying for the wall. The wall will not be built within his term let alone Day 1. (little things called natural barriers and private land ownership) It will not be built during a second term if there is one. (Lets just look at the river...you going to build the river on our side of the Rio Grande or straight up the riverbed?) The tax returns will never be seen unless Democrats take over the House in November. And if that happens well then (Besides, it has been found that the wall is better at keeping "them" in than keeping "them" out.)
      What I expect is the Dems will take over the House in November and come January, there will be an investigation into Trump's dealings with Russia to go along with Mueller's investigation. Don Jr. and Jarod will be in really hot water unless daddy pardons them for lying to Congress and lying to the FBI. We will not have anything he promised on day 732 nor day 1 that he promised.
      Pretty much what he has accomplished is a bunch of executive orders reversing Obama era rules. You know the same things your kind were so insulted by when Obama did them. But that is to be expected. It happens every time the executive branch switches partys. The Dem will impose emission regulations, fuel consumption regulations, environmental protections. The republican will eliminate the fuel standards, environmental protections, and start leasing out park land to oil companies. The other things he accomplished pretty muchcover the billionaire tax break (which like the last one eventually breaks the economy by concentrating wealth in the hands of the rich) and nominating 2 justices to the court. So gerrymandering is safe and money controlling politics is safe ...so we can continue to look forward to continued gridlock for another generation with partisans elected to congress from gerrymandered districts that lose their seat should they compromise with their opposing extremists.
    11. Anonymous
      Anonymous
      Stick to emojis. Your attempts at debate are pathetic at best. You're too stupid to realize that one of your biggest complaints about HRC prior to the election was "she was controlled by wall street" but billionaire Don was a man of the people and had no connections with wall street. He puts wall street people in top positions and you call that draining the swamp. Then you have people like Pruitt and Mnuchin who are the swamp.
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    12. Anonymous
      Anonymous
      You are wasting your breath with that one. He is of the type that would use fascist, nazi, communist, socialist, liberal as an insult in the same breath about the same person. He would call liberals commies and pinkos while defending Trump making better relations with the Russians. He is a parrot that likes cartoons and appears to know very little of which he speaks. But at least he adds color to these drab pages.
    13. vegan.cro spirit# 112
      vegan.cro spirit# 112
      :crazy:
      Biggest complaint among unemployed snowflakes, but sensible peeps dont read that sort of nonsensical blog.
      Draining the swamp of Commies not peeps who produce!!:thumb:
      Its like Bernie Sanders saying how the snowflakes have bailed out Wall Street and now Wall Street has to give the snowflakes free College so they go on the 15 years 'smoke weed art history' program. When in fact snowflakes dont pay taxes and couldnt bail themselves out of a rainy day. LOL:lbf:
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    14. vegan.cro spirit# 112
      vegan.cro spirit# 112
      Quit sock puppeting yourself FFS, you are making a spectacle out of yourself.:drama:
      Russians are no longer Communists, otherwise you loons would be all over them JFC what a
      lack of basic education. Too much time smoking weed and skateboarding THATS FOR SURE>doh:
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    15. Tommy Robinson's Quiff
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      I found you masquerading as CLOTHES FOR TRAMPS on another forum, you rascal :brows::brows::paranoid::lbf:
      https://sheffieldtalk.xyz/index.php/topic,134.210.html
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    16. vegan.cro spirit# 045
      vegan.cro spirit# 045

      :rolleyes:

      "switches partys":anguished:

      "muchcover" (for the garden?:dizzy:)

      What level of education do you have FFS?
      Maybe we should have people on welfare like you, Chezz and Skinny running the govt.:screamcat:
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    17. Tommy Robinson's Quiff
      Tommy Robinson's Quiff
      What do you actually do dude... SERIOUS QUESTION!! :rock::rock::paranoid::paranoid::)
    18. Anonymous
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      Don't worry dude. One day I'll find you and that day and we'll see if you try to be clever with me :yum:
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    19. Anonymous
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      Please tell me how Russia today is different than when they were "communists"? Yeltsin banned them but they came back with a new name. Putin has run the country longer than any premiere, and when he wasn't he had a sockpuppet to do it for him. Any business that goes against the party is taken over by the party. Are you trying to make the argument they are a free democracy with capitalism running rampant?

      I like how you...the resident drama queen...attempts to call others for drama.
      Smoking weed and skateboarding? Now who is out of touch? You forgot to mention my VW fan and tyedye t-shirt there grandpa

      Quick question. Have you ever written a post where you didnt insult someone/imply they are stupid? I imagine the world would end if that happened. Not entirely a bad thing.
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    20. Anonymous
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      The people who collect your bins work set hours for which they get paid.
      Not so with carers.
      And not to put anyone off their tea, but caring involves dealing with all sorts of shit, literally and figuratively.
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