Morrissey: "Current feminism does not help our societies and makes masculinism retaliate" - Culto

I will preface this article with a couple of caveats: firstly, it has gone through translate and secondly, context and details are lacking. It should be noted that the title is part of one question asked and not the main topic - it is a bit misleading. Only a few questions with lots of commentary/background.

In Culto (part of La Tercera), by Andrés del Real (29th July, 2018):

Morrissey: "Current feminism does not help our societies and makes masculinism retaliate"

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Morrissey: "Current feminism does not help our societies and makes masculinism retaliate"

How does a celebrity adapt to the times? Probably not being Morrissey, who, true to his style and before his return to Chile, shoots against modern feminism, the English press and "the culture of the negation of the left".
Last month, an indeterminate number of English self-styled "former admirers of Morrissey" announced on social networks a party against racism in Manchester, set for the same night that the British artist, his exidolo, would come to the city with the tour promotional of his most recent album, Low in high school. The reason? The statements that the former Smith of The Smiths had made days before, taking pity on the situation of the founder of the movement of extreme right English Defense League, Tommy Robinson, sentenced to 13 months in prison for contempt of court. Coincidence or not, days before the shows, the singer announced the cancellation of his dates in Manchester and all the rest of his European tour, due to "logistical problems".

The episode is added to the increasingly extensive list of polemics starring the soloist, who with the same voice with which for decades has captivated different generations of followers in search of an answer to their torments and depressions, has also got into a series of problems and controversies, for statements against the British monarchy -one of its favorite targets-, multicultural Europe and immigration, and even the #metoo feminist movement, relativizing the denunciations against Harvey Weinstein and Kevin Spacey, among others. His verbal incontinence seems to go against the current tendency of his colleagues, quick to bend to all the causes that drive certain opinion leaders and many of their own followers.

But even the sharpest language at some point knows when to stop, and Steven Patrick Morrissey is no exception: consulted by Worship about what happened in Manchester, the musician opts for silence. It is the only answer that he decides to omit from a questionnaire sent via mail at his request, in which, before launching a series of darts against various causes and modern institutions, he gives praise to the Chilean public.

"It's always great for me to go to Chile. I feel that I am valued there as a serious artist, rather than as mere entertainment for the media,"

says the 59-year-old soloist, once dubbed by the press of his country as "The Pope of Depression", from of the semi-divine cult that generates its sensitive and enlightened voice, which unleashes extreme and conflicting passions. A church that in Chile, despite its history of controversy, the canceled tours and the headaches that suppose for the producers their vegan demands and their particular character -recognized by the former director of the Viña Festival, Álex Hernández, who asked that the Briton "I hope he does not come back" - he still has a respectable legion of faithful, as the six presentations that the artist accumulates in the country prove,

- In recent years, many of his statements to the press have generated controversy, including rejection and even campaigns against him. Do you feel that in these times it is difficult to express a different opinion to the predominant or politically incorrect current? Is it difficult today to be critical of modern life?

- It is difficult in England, where all the written press is controlled by the left, which does not want an open debate or a different opinion. The left is closed minded and works very hard to maintain a culture of denial. If you do not agree with the left, you are massacred in the press for being a racist fanatic, your public is ridiculed and every effort is made to silence you. If you question Islam or multiculturalism, the BBC radio will not reproduce your music because Islam is now a dominant ideology in the United Kingdom. I oppose halal killing [a type of preparation of animal flesh according to Islamic law] as well as I oppose any killing of animals, and that is the reason why the "Loony Left" [term with which the European extreme left is pejoratively called in certain sectors of the United Kingdom] has tried to destroy me. My views are not controversial, but if you question Islam you can be sent to jail without a trial. This is Soviet Britain, it's very real, and it's too big a problem to take over.

- Is feminism a topic that worries or generates a particular opinion? Do you think that musicians and artists in general have the responsibility to express a position on this topic today?

-I discovered feminism when I was 14 years old. By then, it was the answer to everything, because it freed all people, not just women. I read And Jill Came Tumbling After (Judith Stacey), The Female Eunuch (Germaine Greer), Women and Madness(Phyllis Chesler) and they changed my point of view. Modern feminism is not the same because it seems to aspire to "whatever men do," and that seems to be enough. Therefore, it becomes a great success, for example, to have a female football team or a group of girls in a boy scout club. The original goal of feminism was to move towards a higher intellectual plane, but now it only seems to want to occupy masculine positions and receive male aggression. It does not help our societies and, on the contrary, it causes masculinism to retaliate. Female leaders in Germany and the United Kingdom have made a mess of those countries, and this does not help modern feminism either. In all matters what I ask of the people is that they think for themselves. Collect your own material and you will reach your own conclusions. It is easy. Just stop watching the news!

Music does not change the world
The criticisms of the voice of "How soon is now?" To the media are not new and have increased in the last time. Answering through his email seems to be the way he chose to communicate publicly, after he himself announced, last December during a concert in Germany, his decision to stop giving interviews to the written press, after accusing the newspaper Der Spiegel twisted his words in an interview in which, among other things, he would have indicated that the actor Kevin Spacey has been "unnecessarily attacked" after accusations of sexual abuse against him, and even that he would kill the president of the United States, Donald Trump, if the opportunity were given.

But it has been the media in his country that have responded the hardest to the soloist. His eleventh solo album, Low in high school(2017), perhaps the most overtly political work of his discography, was warmly received by the specialized critics. And while an opinion column in The Guardian newspaper a few weeks ago called simply to "stop listening" to Morrissey's music, NME magazine this month published the story of Johnny Turner, a guy who imitates the singer in a tribute band to The Smiths, who confessed that these days people stop him in the street and contact him on social networks to insult him and threaten him if he supports the controversial sayings of his idol. If before being a fan of "Moz" was tantamount to declaring a misfit, today, in a time of greater sensitivity to certain causes postponed and in which many young people have chosen to "veto" their social networks to celebrities who do not share their opinions ,

- In this era of musical consumption via streaming, social networks and post-truth, do you think that music, the lyrics of a song, can change the world? Or at least make it a little better?

-We are very closed and I think we resort to music to discover who or what we are. Music tells us how to escape from certain things. It does not change the world, because songs are like art arrows and can not really compete with the silly spectacle of war, money and political violence ... which is what makes the world go round. The songs mitigate the trauma of ... just being alive.

- In 2019 it will turn 60 years old. Is it something that bothers you or that you receive with peace of mind? Do you see yourself singing on stage and publishing albums for many more years?

-I feel somewhat insensitive with respect to age. Everything happens so fast that it is difficult to even know what is really happening. As long as I have a good pulse, I know that I will have the initiative to sing. I am not a chosen one, I have never been promoted to be fashionable or I am where I am because of my appearance, therefore, I have not moved away from the original need to sing. You must continue as if everyone is listening to you ... Even if they are not!

Article link:
http://culto.latercera.com/2018/07/...sociedades-al-masculinismo-tomar-represalias/

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Anyone from Chile in the know?
Regards,
FWD.

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Peppermint

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I doubt anybody actively objects if women play football, rugby, cricket, whatever, whenever, wherever. When it is used as a political stick to attack the game, however, the parameters swiftly change.

What I do think is ludicrous is that, for example, Liverpool’s first team sells out Anfield several times a month, while the women’s team pulls in about seven hundred per home match at another venue yet there have been calls for pay parity with the men. Who foots the bill for such indulgences?

One of the great club sides in Switzerland is the famous BSC Young Boys of Bern. Founded one hundred and twenty years ago. Twelve times Swiss champions. They have a female team, and yes, don't worry, it is called Young Boys Women.
I really, really hope they don't cave in, but in the current climate anything is possible.
 

Jeffrey7777

Active Member
On the telly, I saw a lesbian writer say this same statement as Mr. M regarding feminism, but for the life of me I can't recall her name....sorry.
 

669

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"The statements that the former Smith of The Smiths had made days before, taking pity on the situation of the founder of the movement of extreme right English Defense League, Tommy Robinson, sentenced to 13 months in prison for contempt of court."

He wasn't just taking pity on the absurd, unjust, and due-process-free imprisonment of Tommy Robinson, and the court-ordered media blackout about it. He was speaking out of concern that the country that led the world on Freedom of Speech is now hastily abolishing it.
 
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vegan.cro spirit# 568

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With us you can only assume he thought if he kept saying the things that he didn't say, then we'd buy into it because he's Morrissey and he knows best. Unfortunately each time he opened his mouth he marginalized himself a little more. I genuinely think he didn't see it coming and had been hanging out on Breitbart for too long and imagined that was how we all thought thanks to the noisy online racists. The fact is that as a country we're not really into that stuff. Some people are but generally it's not in our make up to be getting into all of that far right stuff. He made a big misjudgement.

:crazy:
What the F does this all mean?
 

Cornflakes

"A bit iffy" ★★☆☆☆ - AV Club
I dunno, but if you check the polling, the views Morrissey's gotten in trouble for of late are in the clear majority in the United Kingdom. But the loony left control the media.
Yep. Most loved actor: Kevin Spacey. Ann Marie Whatsit on course to be next Prime Minister. Milk sales restricted to under-the-counter in unlicensed backstreet grocers'. And Morrissey relaxing after a sellout tour. That's life in Britain right now.
 

g23

Always crashing in the same car
I feel a bit differently, G, although those are all completely valid arguments. I'm absolutely not mocking people taking a stand for equal pay, or the fundamental right to go to work (or anywhere else) without being molested. But I think there are many reasons why 'feminism' hasn't achieved total across-the-board equality, and they are complex and multi-layered.

The thing is, not everybody has read the memo. Some women actually want to defer to a more traditionally dominant partner. Some women freely use sex appeal - and even sex - to get what they want, but are still shocked when men turn this around on them. Some women are really happy posing naked for men to ogle them in national newspapers. Some people feel this is demeaning and undermines feminism; others insist it's 'empowering'. Meanwhile we live in the most sexualised age there has ever been: music is pushed at us by semi-naked, aggressively gyrating blow-up dolls; pre-pubescent girls are pouting for the camera on social media; it has become normal for women to strip to their underwear (or less), and post pictures to the world online; and one of the most idolised women in the world is famous for simply having an enormous arse. No wonder we still sometimes struggle to be taken seriously.

The orange-hued leader of the free world may make us all rage and gag, but he is married to an exquisite Barbie doll who is seemingly willing to overlook it all for the money and the clothing allowance. In some ways we have come so far, and others we are still shooting ourselves in the stilettoed foot. No wonder men are confused about it all.

I think what bothers me most about 'feminism' is the label itself. It's like a whiny hashtag or a badge of suffering and it trumpets what should be obvious. Absolutely we should tackle the injustices, but I've never felt the need to join a club. I find myself much more upset about the appalling lack of women's rights in places like Saudi Arabia, and the practices in underdeveloped societies like FGM, enforced marriages, gang-rapes, public stonings and honour killings. This is proper suffering through inequality and bothers me much more than 'Somebody touched my bum in 1992 and I've just decided I'm really upset about it'.

I was moved last week by the obituary of Mary Ellis, the last surviving female WW2 Spitfire pilot who has just died aged 101. Pioneering, courageous, and by all accounts an absolute legend. I would love to have heard her views on feminism.
Those are really good points. I would argue that sexuality is viewed a little bit differently with each successive generation, and maybe we're too old to get it. :lbf: It seems that sex as taboo is dying or dead for the current rising generations.

I think a large part of the problem is that everything is being condensed to buzzwords now. It used to be paragraphs, then sentences, now it's the thing to just shout a word to convey really complex things that actually require the paragraphs and can't be summed up by a buzzword. Feminism has definitely been reduced to one. The other thing, is feminism means something a little different to every individual. Everybody has to forge their own path for themselves, and design their own moral code and comfort zone, and that's the problem with the current culture's obsession with being "right." Who gives a thin shit about what any of our stances are, really?

While I do enjoy interacting online, I can't help but wonder if an interactive internet is good for humanity. People see text, interpret the text their own way, respond to it, usually harshly (this is where I realize that I've come to the conclusion that Moz is a turd through this and am able to laugh at myself and the irony) and the cycle feeds itself. I think I'd be more a fan of the internet as library/source of info than the shouty place it devolved into. We've overly complicated our lives through tech while making the smaller and simpler at the same time. We're connected, but only through pixels while our real life connections die on the vine. It's a funny time to be alive.
 

g23

Always crashing in the same car
:rolleyes:
WtF does that all mean? "Just a smooth expanse where the FUN PARTS SHOULD BE?"
Simon, wake up this is SoLow not the Blue Rose get a grip.:straightface:

69 genders reproduce asexually since they
dont exist they are made up by lefty loon walking around aimlessly holding a balloon.:balloon:
:crazy:
It's alright Veegancro. I'm kind of like a vaccine. A lot of people don't get me, but I just assume it's because they're dumb f***s.
 
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vegan.cro spirit# 143

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Those are really good points. I would argue that sexuality is viewed a little bit differently with each successive generation, and maybe we're too old to get it. :lbf: It seems that sex as taboo is dying or dead for the current rising generations.

I think a large part of the problem is that everything is being condensed to buzzwords now. It used to be paragraphs, then sentences, now it's the thing to just shout a word to convey really complex things that actually require the paragraphs and can't be summed up by a buzzword. Feminism has definitely been reduced to one. The other thing, is feminism means something a little different to every individual. Everybody has to forge their own path for themselves, and design their own moral code and comfort zone, and that's the problem with the current culture's obsession with being "right." Who gives a thin shit about what any of our stances are, really?

While I do enjoy interacting online, I can't help but wonder if an interactive internet is good for humanity. People see text, interpret the text their own way, respond to it, usually harshly (this is where I realize that I've come to the conclusion that Moz is a turd through this and am able to laugh at myself and the irony) and the cycle feeds itself. I think I'd be more a fan of the internet as library/source of info than the shouty place it devolved into. We've overly complicated our lives through tech while making the smaller and simpler at the same time. We're connected, but only through pixels while our real life connections die on the vine. It's a funny time to be alive.

Sex as taboo is dying for the current generations that require 'safe spaces' where nobody cant talk to them much less touch them. LOL:crazy: Who whine if you eyeball them.:eyes:. :laughing:
 
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vegan.cro spirit# 143

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It's alright Veegancro. I'm kind of like a vaccine. A lot of people don't get me, but I just assume it's because they're dumb f***s.

Obviously. No doubt that you and the Blue Rose are shrouded in mystery.:rolleyes:
Vaccine refers to the secret signs I take it.:straightface:
 
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Anonymous

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I will concede that Morrissey and Trump probably overlap a lot on Israel. But that's something where they're actually both out of step with the alt-right. The alt-right has a pronounced tinge of anti-Semitism.

Well Trumpisnt exactly squeky clean on that
Trump has tweeted political attacks with the star of David(uh no it's a sheriff's star!), retweeted from anti-semitic sites. He has called the KKK very fine people. The move of the embassy was to please his evangelical base. If he likes Jewish people so much, why is he often getting caught retweeting images from sites that hate them?

Morrissey seems to lack self control like Trump but not as bad. He keeps espousing these apparent alt-right view points every time anyone asks him a question. He will continue to dig his grave as long as someone puts a mic in front of him. Sooner or later you too will stop making excuses for him and realize he's still right where he always was.
 
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URBANUS

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He looks like someone from India but his excuse is probably two kidneys on their last legs.
 

Oh my god. it's Robby!

spontaneously luminescent
You know I felt sorry for Hillbots at first, especially the ones that really more driven by fear of Trump and the naive younger ones that actually bought into the whole she’s the messiah thing* but since then they have been so vicious to those of us on the real left, calling us Russian spies, blaming us for Trump, so yeah, now I’m more like “f*** em” I know it’s not right, I should be kinder, but no, f*** em.



*=I’ve campaigned, yes, real campaigning, going door to door, manning phones, and yeah, I fell for Obama hard, especially during the primary phase, after that he began his run from us of a neomarxist bent, shoulda seen what was to come but I didn’t,my bad, still feel betrayed. Actually the only guy I worked for politics wise, that I still respect is Ralph Nader, he’s no Marxist to be sure and believes capitalism can be fixed, but he never made us to the left of him feel beyond the pale, great storyteller and funny in person. For me?
He’s the real Bernie Sanders, acting outside the system and not compromising...
 

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