Morrissey: "Current feminism does not help our societies and makes masculinism retaliate" - Culto

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  1. Famous when dead

    Famous when dead Vulgarian Moderator

    Dec 7, 2000
    Birmingham, U.K.
    I will preface this article with a couple of caveats: firstly, it has gone through translate and secondly, context and details are lacking. It should be noted that the title is part of one question asked and not the main topic - it is a bit misleading. Only a few questions with lots of commentary/background.

    In Culto (part of La Tercera), by Andrés del Real (29th July, 2018):

    Morrissey: "Current feminism does not help our societies and makes masculinism retaliate"

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    Morrissey: "Current feminism does not help our societies and makes masculinism retaliate"

    How does a celebrity adapt to the times? Probably not being Morrissey, who, true to his style and before his return to Chile, shoots against modern feminism, the English press and "the culture of the negation of the left".
    Last month, an indeterminate number of English self-styled "former admirers of Morrissey" announced on social networks a party against racism in Manchester, set for the same night that the British artist, his exidolo, would come to the city with the tour promotional of his most recent album, Low in high school. The reason? The statements that the former Smith of The Smiths had made days before, taking pity on the situation of the founder of the movement of extreme right English Defense League, Tommy Robinson, sentenced to 13 months in prison for contempt of court. Coincidence or not, days before the shows, the singer announced the cancellation of his dates in Manchester and all the rest of his European tour, due to "logistical problems".

    The episode is added to the increasingly extensive list of polemics starring the soloist, who with the same voice with which for decades has captivated different generations of followers in search of an answer to their torments and depressions, has also got into a series of problems and controversies, for statements against the British monarchy -one of its favorite targets-, multicultural Europe and immigration, and even the #metoo feminist movement, relativizing the denunciations against Harvey Weinstein and Kevin Spacey, among others. His verbal incontinence seems to go against the current tendency of his colleagues, quick to bend to all the causes that drive certain opinion leaders and many of their own followers.

    But even the sharpest language at some point knows when to stop, and Steven Patrick Morrissey is no exception: consulted by Worship about what happened in Manchester, the musician opts for silence. It is the only answer that he decides to omit from a questionnaire sent via mail at his request, in which, before launching a series of darts against various causes and modern institutions, he gives praise to the Chilean public.

    "It's always great for me to go to Chile. I feel that I am valued there as a serious artist, rather than as mere entertainment for the media,"

    says the 59-year-old soloist, once dubbed by the press of his country as "The Pope of Depression", from of the semi-divine cult that generates its sensitive and enlightened voice, which unleashes extreme and conflicting passions. A church that in Chile, despite its history of controversy, the canceled tours and the headaches that suppose for the producers their vegan demands and their particular character -recognized by the former director of the Viña Festival, Álex Hernández, who asked that the Briton "I hope he does not come back" - he still has a respectable legion of faithful, as the six presentations that the artist accumulates in the country prove,

    - In recent years, many of his statements to the press have generated controversy, including rejection and even campaigns against him. Do you feel that in these times it is difficult to express a different opinion to the predominant or politically incorrect current? Is it difficult today to be critical of modern life?

    - It is difficult in England, where all the written press is controlled by the left, which does not want an open debate or a different opinion. The left is closed minded and works very hard to maintain a culture of denial. If you do not agree with the left, you are massacred in the press for being a racist fanatic, your public is ridiculed and every effort is made to silence you. If you question Islam or multiculturalism, the BBC radio will not reproduce your music because Islam is now a dominant ideology in the United Kingdom. I oppose halal killing [a type of preparation of animal flesh according to Islamic law] as well as I oppose any killing of animals, and that is the reason why the "Loony Left" [term with which the European extreme left is pejoratively called in certain sectors of the United Kingdom] has tried to destroy me. My views are not controversial, but if you question Islam you can be sent to jail without a trial. This is Soviet Britain, it's very real, and it's too big a problem to take over.

    - Is feminism a topic that worries or generates a particular opinion? Do you think that musicians and artists in general have the responsibility to express a position on this topic today?

    -I discovered feminism when I was 14 years old. By then, it was the answer to everything, because it freed all people, not just women. I read And Jill Came Tumbling After (Judith Stacey), The Female Eunuch (Germaine Greer), Women and Madness(Phyllis Chesler) and they changed my point of view. Modern feminism is not the same because it seems to aspire to "whatever men do," and that seems to be enough. Therefore, it becomes a great success, for example, to have a female football team or a group of girls in a boy scout club. The original goal of feminism was to move towards a higher intellectual plane, but now it only seems to want to occupy masculine positions and receive male aggression. It does not help our societies and, on the contrary, it causes masculinism to retaliate. Female leaders in Germany and the United Kingdom have made a mess of those countries, and this does not help modern feminism either. In all matters what I ask of the people is that they think for themselves. Collect your own material and you will reach your own conclusions. It is easy. Just stop watching the news!

    Music does not change the world
    The criticisms of the voice of "How soon is now?" To the media are not new and have increased in the last time. Answering through his email seems to be the way he chose to communicate publicly, after he himself announced, last December during a concert in Germany, his decision to stop giving interviews to the written press, after accusing the newspaper Der Spiegel twisted his words in an interview in which, among other things, he would have indicated that the actor Kevin Spacey has been "unnecessarily attacked" after accusations of sexual abuse against him, and even that he would kill the president of the United States, Donald Trump, if the opportunity were given.

    But it has been the media in his country that have responded the hardest to the soloist. His eleventh solo album, Low in high school(2017), perhaps the most overtly political work of his discography, was warmly received by the specialized critics. And while an opinion column in The Guardian newspaper a few weeks ago called simply to "stop listening" to Morrissey's music, NME magazine this month published the story of Johnny Turner, a guy who imitates the singer in a tribute band to The Smiths, who confessed that these days people stop him in the street and contact him on social networks to insult him and threaten him if he supports the controversial sayings of his idol. If before being a fan of "Moz" was tantamount to declaring a misfit, today, in a time of greater sensitivity to certain causes postponed and in which many young people have chosen to "veto" their social networks to celebrities who do not share their opinions ,

    - In this era of musical consumption via streaming, social networks and post-truth, do you think that music, the lyrics of a song, can change the world? Or at least make it a little better?

    -We are very closed and I think we resort to music to discover who or what we are. Music tells us how to escape from certain things. It does not change the world, because songs are like art arrows and can not really compete with the silly spectacle of war, money and political violence ... which is what makes the world go round. The songs mitigate the trauma of ... just being alive.

    - In 2019 it will turn 60 years old. Is it something that bothers you or that you receive with peace of mind? Do you see yourself singing on stage and publishing albums for many more years?

    -I feel somewhat insensitive with respect to age. Everything happens so fast that it is difficult to even know what is really happening. As long as I have a good pulse, I know that I will have the initiative to sing. I am not a chosen one, I have never been promoted to be fashionable or I am where I am because of my appearance, therefore, I have not moved away from the original need to sing. You must continue as if everyone is listening to you ... Even if they are not!

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    Anyone from Chile in the know?

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    1. rifke
      best post ever :lbf:
    2. URBANUS
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    3. Oh my god. it's Robby!
      Oh my god. it's Robby!
      The pay difference is way out of whack in hollyweird for sure, especially in front of the camera where female stars often make considerably less. It’s a bit different behind the camera, I have one ridiculously beautiful friend that got lots of small parts when she first came to town, was paid almost nothing, didn’t get bunch of parts cuz she wouldn’t sleep with somebody, then she chucked it all to become a p.a. Now she is a successful agent, mainly female clients, but, of course, people still say she slept her way to success :rolleyes:
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    4. bhops
      Of course they will, haha. can you imagine if the public knew how many male starts slept their way to success? Or at the very least sucked a dick? It would blow people's minds (pardon the pun.) Black rappers I believe are amongst the worst manipulated. Glad to hear she found success without being compromised.
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    5. Derek17
      Actually, studies show that conservatives have more sexual satisfaction and are more likely to be married.
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    6. Derek17
      Out of curiosity, how would you describe yourself politically? What are your beliefs? What is your opinion on antifa?
    7. Famous when dead
      Famous when dead
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    8. Oh my god. it's Robby!
      Oh my god. it's Robby!
      Being an asshole is totally ok, there is an honesty to it and I still like that about him.
      Also, while I disagree with Moz’s views on much now I guess, still not 100% sure, there are people actually out to get him and that twist his words, but he didn’t do me a solid when he made that subhuman or whatever comment while I was living in China, it was like the one time he was reported on by CCTV there o_O
      Where was I?
      Oh yeah, assholes are ok usually but being for dickish policies endorsed by people actually attempting to get power to implement those policies is not cool and I want him to be cool, or at least change and be nice!
      Sometimes :thumb:
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    9. Derek17
      Please stop frothing at the mouth, if you can. I swear you're getting spittle on me from there.

      Trigger warning:

    10. bhops
      I think when discussing feminism these days it is useful to make the distinction between 1st, 2nd and 3rd wave feminism. There is a MASSIVE difference in ideologies between the the first two and third wave to the point where certain 2nd wave feminists such as Greer, Paglia, Hoff-Sommers and Julie Bindel have been virtually disowned by 3rd wave feminists. I'm sure that's why Moz 9if the translation is to be believed) was deliberate in his criticism of modern feminism. Of course this will now be twisted to mean that Morrissey is critical of ALL feminists.
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    11. Famous when dead
      Famous when dead
      Forgot to add:
      It appears to have been in print too:


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    12. Dooley Toledo
      Dooley Toledo
      The guy in the center is a straight up nutjob. He's the guy who sits behind trump at all of the rallies. He belongs to some kind of religious cult and supposedly trump is the fulfillment of some kind of prophecy that the leader of the cult has talked about. Can't remember it all, but it's some weird shit.
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    13. URBANUS
      Greer has not seen vitamin c in all her life and her collagen was like see ya!
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    14. firstodie
      I'm a big fan of Morrissey but I've never found him physically attractive.
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    15. Pope Pius XII
      Pope Pius XII
    16. Uncleskinny
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    17. Bluebirds
      13 pages of blokes discussing feminism. Only on Morrissey-solo
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    18. The Irish Hare
      The Irish Hare
      Inequality can be more subtle.
      A quick survey amongst friends can yield pretty accurate statistics
      The majority of women I know have at some point taken time off, job shared or gone part-time in other to care for elderly parents or children or nurse a family member. After the legally allocated time when their paid leave has ended, they have subsisted on little income and in a lot of cases their pension has been affected. I know of only one man in a similar situation and he is the youngest of 3 brothers.
      Femininism, left or right are just words.
      Social inequality is a reality for many women
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    19. firstodie
      A good thing about being a woman is that you're much less likely to be beaten up or killed for being offensive...... but then I think of that poor MP who was murdered because of her views on Brexit.
    20. bhops
      Ummm, no it can't. In these types of 'big picture' scenarios anecdotal evidence is next to useless. You really have to crunch the numbers, thousands of them, to get a really accurate depiction of what is going on.
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