Morrissey Central: "The Guardian of Hate" (October 10, 2019)

Discussion in 'General Discussion' started by Famous when dead, Oct 11, 2019.

By Famous when dead on Oct 11, 2019 at 1:18 AM
  1. Famous when dead

    Famous when dead Vulgarian Moderator

    Dec 7, 2000
    Birmingham, U.K.

    October 10, 2019

    "I am sorry that you are forced to tolerate the views of The Guardian Of Hate, and I am sorry that I cannot retaliate, but - I am nothing, and I have no human rights.
    The person described by The Guardian Of Hate is not me, and their stance attributed to me is not mine. But, pleased be warned: they are having great fun and they will not STOP.

    I am surprised that IPSO regulations allow the Sinn Fein "ourselves alone" tactics of The Guardian Of Hate to continue, and whereas it is my view that everyone is entitled to their opinion, I did not believe - until now - that UK law permits public actions in public spaces that call for a British citizen to be killed, or even discriminated against.
    It is true that I do not support the Monster Raving Labour Party, and nor could I possibly ever approve of Halal (being of sound mind), but if the definition of a racist or fascist is someone who will not allow others to have an opinion, then The Guardian Of Hate are exactly whom they claim to disapprove of.

    Finally, if The Guardian Of Hate decide that you are their quarry, I wish you more media support than I have so far received."

    10 October 2019.

    The Guardian's most recent article regarding Morrissey was on Oct. 2:

    Morrissey ejects anti-far-right protester from Portland concert

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Discussion in 'General Discussion' started by Famous when dead, Oct 11, 2019.

    1. Surface
      And what exactly do I promote?
    2. Anonymous
      Says the racist mouthpiece. Fuck off!
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    3. Anonymous
      Weak. What constitutes weakness? Is standing up to racists weak? At least my dad hadn't topped himself. That's weak.
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    4. Anonymous
      Oh've nothing to answer for. We used to kinda like your, "Viva Hate" lp, ...but now ? We still kinda like it....
      Continued Successes in Calvary tonight !
    5. Anonymous
      It's all o.k. Orson, cause it's really "all about the music and gives the bores something to fill up the page."
    6. Anonymous
      Moz and 12 inch on the slack self pity.

      "I go on vacation to Greece at winter time".

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    7. Stephen Hofmann
      Stephen Hofmann
      What on earth are you talking about?
    8. CrumbsOfComfort
      I always wonder why he is so mouthy about Halal but silent about Kosher.
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    9. Hovis Lesley
      Hovis Lesley
      He hasn’t been silent about Kosher. The media have not shared his utterances about it as it didn’t suit their narrative.
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    10. vegan cro spirit 777
      vegan cro spirit 777
      Absolutely true you nailed it.:thumb:

      Skinny and Pseudonyms only bomb the guardian with emails when it Islam stuff.:thumb:
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    11. Hovis Lesley
      Hovis Lesley
      You’ve just been confronted by the writing of a pioneer of the Liberalism you advocate, and you see drunken ramblings?

      You know neither where you are from, nor where you are going. You are simply a floating cork bobbing up and down; so indulged are you (by the other lifeless pricks on here) that you’re convinced you are the origin of the waves that shift you.
      Last edited: Oct 12, 2019
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    12. Anonymous
      Who is this new cunt then?

      Must be another briddish citizen with wooden teeth and dial up internet on a computer with a wind up key.

      Life is toast for the british.
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    13. Hovis Lesley
      Hovis Lesley
      Thanks. I’m now fully in the picture.
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    14. Hovis Lesley
      Hovis Lesley
      He’s just generally commenting on what pricks people like you are; it’s for the benefit of people like me—you wouldn’t appreciate it.
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    15. The Truth
      The Truth
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    16. Joshua’s Fruit Shorties
      Joshua’s Fruit Shorties
      @Surface, they see hating and scapegoating others as a means of deflecting attention away from their inadequacies, worries and fears about themselves that they hide about themselves in plain sight.
      They ultimately are picked up and groomed by those who view them with even more contempt than the very people they choose to look down upon. Have a look at this. Some here will hate it, because it puts them very much in the spotlight.

      Alt-right figures are targeting vulnerable communities with videos and, unfortunately, it seems to be working.

      Paris Martineau

      A video on YouTube entitled “Advice For People With Depression” has over half a million views. The title is generic enough, and to the unsuspecting viewer, lecturer Jordan Peterson could look legitimate or knowledgable — a quick Google search will reveal that he even taught at Harvard as an assistant professor of psychology back in the '90s. But as the video wears on, Peterson argues that men are depressed and frustrated because they don’t have a higher calling like women (who, according to Peterson, are biologically required to have and take care of infants). This leaves weak men seeking “impulsive, low-class pleasure,” he argues. Upon first glance he certainly doesn’t seem like a darling of the alt-right, but he is.

      Type “depression” or “depressed” into YouTube and it won’t be long until you stumble upon a suit-clad white supremacist giving a lecture on self-empowerment. They’re everywhere. For years, members of the alt-right have taken advantage of the internet’s most vulnerable, turning their fear and self-loathing into vitriolic extremism, and thanks to the movement’s recent galvanization, they’re only growing stronger.

      “I still wonder, how could I have been so stupid?” writes Reddit user u/pdesperaux, in a post detailing how he was accidentally seduced by the alt-right. “I was part of a cult. I know cults and I know brainwashing, I have researched them extensively, you'd think I would have noticed, right? Wrong. These are the same tactics that Scientology and ISIS use and I fell for them like a chump.”

      “NOBODY is talking about how the online depression community has been infiltrated by alt-right recruiters deliberately preying on the vulnerable,” writes Twitter user @MrHappyDieHappyin a thread on the issue. “There NEED to be public warnings about this. 'Online pals' have attempted to groom me multiple times when at my absolute lowest.”

      “You know your life is useless and meaningless,” Peterson says in his “Advice” video, turning towards the viewer, “you're full of self-contempt and nihilism.” He doesn’t follow all of this rousing self-hatred with an answer, but rather merely teases at one. “[You] have had enough of that,” he says to a classroom full of men. “Rights, rights, rights, rights…”

      Peterson’s alt-light messaging quickly takes a darker turn. Finish that video and YouTube will queue up “Jordan Peterson - Don't Be The Nice Guy” (1.3 million views), and “Jordan Peterson - The Tragic Story of the Man-Child” (over 853,000 views), both of which are practically right out of the redpill/incel handbook.

      “The common railroad stages of 'helpful' linking to 'motivational speakers' goes 'Jordan Peterson ---> Stefan Molyneux ---> Millennial Woes,” writes @MrHappyDieHappy. “The first is charismatic and not as harmful, but his persuasiveness leaves people open for the next two, who are frankly evil and dumb.” Molyneux, an anarcho-capitalist who promotes scientific racism and eugenics, has grown wildly popular amongst the alt-right as of late. His videos — which argue, among other things, that rape is a “moral right” — are often used to help transition vulnerable young men into the vitriolic and racist core of the alt-right.

      Though it may seem like a huge ideological leap, it makes sense, in a way. For some disillusioned and hopelessly confused young men, the alt-right offers two things they feel a serious lack of in the throes of depression: acceptance and community. These primer videos and their associated “support” groups do a shockingly good job of acknowledging the validity of the depressed man’s existence — something men don’t often feel they experience — and capitalize on that good will by galvanizing their members into a plan of action (which generally involves fighting against some group or class of people designated as “the enemy”). These sort of movements allot the depressed person a form of agency which they may never have experienced before. And whether it’s grounded in reality or not, that’s an addicting feeling.

      According to Christian Picciolini, a former neo-nazi who co-founded the peace advocacy organization, Life After Hate, these sort of recruiting tactics aren’t just common, but systematically enforced. “[The recruiters] are actively looking for these kind of broken individuals who they can promise acceptance, who they can promise identity to,” Picciolini said in an interview with Sam Seder. “Because in real life, perhaps these people are socially awkward — they're not fitting in; they may be bullied — and they're desperately looking for something. And the ideology and the dogma are not what drive people to this extremism, it's in fact, I think, a broken search for that acceptance and that purpose and community.”

      Taking vulnerable young people and putting them in a group of seemingly supportive and energetic ‘friends’ is also how ISIS or cults recruit. The dogma becomes second nature.

      Some of the most toxic unofficial alt-right communities online have operated on this principle. r/Incels (which is now banned, thankfully), began as a place for the “involuntarily celibate” to commiserate, but quickly became the place for extreme misogynists to gather and blame their problems on women and minorities. “Men going their own way,” (MGTOW) was initially a space for men to commune and protect their sovereignty as dudes “above all else,” it devolved into an infinitely racist and misogynistic hellhole. Similar fates have befallen r/Redpill, r/MensRights, and countless others. Commiseration begets community begets a vulnerable trend towards groupthink.

      While it’s easy to isolate purely hateful content, the type that preys upon the disenfranchised and uses much more insidious methods to bring them into the fold is much more difficult to manage on expansive platforms like YouTube. Particularly because the message being sent isn’t one of obvious in-your-face hate speech, or something so obviously objectionable, but rather more of a slow burn. It’s not the sort of thing you can train algorithms to spot — or at least, not yet — making the issue of containment that much harder to address.

      “And you find that you’ve organised your feelings/for people who didn’t like you then/and do not like you now”

      Morrissey - ‘Dial-A-Cliche’ (1988)

      “When will you accept your life?/Oh, the one that you hate?”

      The Smiths - ‘Accept Yourself’ (1983)
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    17. gashonthenail
      The haters at The Guardian know Moz aint no racist. They just want to ruin the guy's career. Jealousy and spite - pure and simple.

      And those that do are judged by those
      Who tried and found they couldn't do
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    18. MoneyChangesEverything
      He's doing a good enough job of damaging his career on his own.
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    19. PuppetParrot
      another sell out last night, Skinny.
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    20. Anonymous
      Moz has been in full gammon mode for 10 years now, boring white privileged man-dunce
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