Morrissey as folk devil

Nerak

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Well, that's Morrissey back on the left then... 🙃

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Also relevant - & hilarious if you've been trapped in the left Twitter hellscape for the past NINE years.

Novara is like Faux-Woke For Dummies.

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Angela sounded the alarm 3 years ago but was drowned out by internet bullsh*t.


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Don't let the odious white nationalists fool you.

These conversations are happening on the left & they're not incompatible with diversity or inclusion. They make it workable.
What do you think of QAnon? What does comms mean? Is that short for comments?

Everything you post seems to be slightly political and left-wing.

Are you from the Labour Party? Is Karen really your real name. I thought you were using that name because of what Karen means. I had only recently heard about the girls name Karen being used as an insult. I think it started in the USA and is now used in the UK.
 

Nerak

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Another accusation is that he's a Brexiteer, for right-wing reasons.

He's not.

He's sympathetic to leaving the EU, for left-wing reasons.

In the same way that he's in favour of Catalonian Independence:
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Scottish Independence:
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& the Arab Spring, plus everyone v. a government:
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He didn't vote for Brexit:
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&
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But he managed to say things that got ripped out of context, a joke about Diane Abbott (who is black, therefore it must be because of her skin colour, therefore he's a racist):
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& he said Nigel Farage would make a good Prime Minister, which coming from Morrissey is like saying he'd make a good serial killer, but was used to make him a Farage supporter despite him clearly stating that he didn't support him:
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& his objections to the EU are his objections to every government:
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& he sees it as a strike against the bias in mainstream media:
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His main concern is, as ever, animals.

The Law.

Governments.

Immigration doesn't come into it at all, the mention of borders is wrapped up in his concept of liberation.

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Some journalists know they lied about this & the rest cut n pasted.
 
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Nerak

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Inbetween racism lulls Moz often gets accused of not caring about children's deaths, or exploiting children's deaths, or wishing children to be dead or just generally saying something awful.

At a concert he introduced Meat Is Murder by saying:

Despite the love, we do live on a murderous planet, as you will have seen over the last few days in Norway, murder, murder, murder. Really every single day worse things happen in Kentucky Fried Chicken & McDonald's, murder, murder, murder, murder, murder, murder.

It might seem an insensitive comparison, but Moz is a militant animal rights activist & this is the kind of information out there about KFC:
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& McDonald's:
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As usual it was paraphrased to make it worse & later led to a scandal.

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Plus Suffer The Little Children:
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& Obama:
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Nerak

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Moz's opinions about Islamic terrorism are left-wing.

He blames governments & money.

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From his autobiography:
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His attitude to Islam is left-wing.

He's got issues with organised religion esp. when it comes to sexuality, but he doesn't hate the faithful.

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On the Orlando shooter:
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His attitude to borders is left-wing. Contrary to popular belief on Twitter open borders is a marginal & unworkable policy & isn't about being nice to refugees.

Moz uses strength to mean confident & ordered, not draconian & racist.

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So how did he end up getting such a kicking for his Facebook post on the Manchester Bomb? And on a side note why does he think the left-wing has become right-wing?

It all pivots on Charlie Hebdo. A tiny left-wing anti-racist magazine's staff were massacred for blasphemy & some anglophone lefties blamed the victim.

It raged for months, but this sums it up:
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Moz seems to have been silent on the issue but a year later Orlando happens & Moz is mad at Trump:
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At the same time there was a refugee crisis in Europe & no coherent policies to deal with it. Extremism was increasing in badly managed camps. Troll campaigns exaggerated or fabricated refugee related crime. And Erdogan was using refugees as leverage, deliberately sending high numbers over the border to cause resource breakdowns & local stress.

The left was struggling to cope with a fascist group from a non-Western background & with complex problems that couldn't be papered over with a slogan.

& social media had turned us into witch hunting like-junkies.

So what did Moz actually say?

That he was angry. That words didn't make up for broken bodies. That May (famous for a hostile environment policy that could deport your Grandmother but not a terrorist) had bad policies. And he takes pot-shots at politicians, the press, the Queen & Islamic State.

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He was immediately accused of blaming all immigrants, all Muslims & all brown people.

They read their own 'dog-whistle' assumptions into it, instead of looking at it from his slightly off-kilter perspective.

Moz hits up.

They hit down.

So, it's not really surprising he became receptive to Douglas Murray & Anne Marie & thought they were being unfairly smeared.

Red Pepper accused him of Islamophobia & increasing community tensions as if all the endless online hot-takes didn't do that on a minute by minute basis to build their platforms.

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Michael Legge who wrote a 2008 blog that could easily be paraphrased to mean all Muslims are f**king nutters who are potential bombers who should be locked in asylums:
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posted abuse & has been calling all Morrissey fans racists ever since:
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For the past 3 years people have been posting unbelievably hateful & cruel things about a man, who while prone to invective & living in his own bubble, has never been anywhere near as vile as them.

His only crime is speaking in Morrissey & not joining a political Twitter tribe.

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Although Moz's negativity isn't a natural fit for a sentimental tribute concert, the controversy likely led to him being excluded from One Love Manchester.


Talking about it, he said:
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World Peace attacks governments.


Life Is A Pigsty is about life being awful but we still fall in love.


They're good choices that make strong statements.

But - there's almost no way it wouldn't have been twisted into an attack on Muslims.

Even though Moz was angry at the UK authorities who 3 years later would have significant failings revealed in a public inquiry
& Islamic State styled itself as a government & was brutal to the people who found themselves living in the territory it conquered.

World Peace would have been seen as divisive.

And even though one thing we know Moz & Islam are in total agreement on is that eating pigs is a bad thing (for different reasons) - pig in a song title is likely to have been interpreted as a racist insult.

Once the torches are lit & the pitchforks are sharpened, it's very hard to avoid being chased to the windmill.
 
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Nerak

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In 2015 Morrissey was interviewed by Alternative Nation & Larry King.

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He was concerned about police brutality against Black people & wondered why Obama wasn't doing more to help.

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This being Morrissey, the press ignored the bit about innocent black people being murdered & went for the bit about Obama being white inside.

The Daily Beast emailed to clarify.

And they decided he was dropping truth bombs:

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Spin & other music outlets copy n pasted.


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Moz wonders if voters would have voted for a less white candidate...

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Salon interpreted this as taking another swipe at Obama's race...

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The Guardian insinuated Moz was irate about Obama's skin colour...

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& despite eternally being able to cite:

Panic
Bengali In Platforms
Asian Rut
The National Front Disco
This Is Not Your Country
& Irish Blood, English Heart

as evidence of Moz's chronic racism - no one could remember America Is Not The World.

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Nerak

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After Moz decided For Britain was the best hope for British veganism 🙄 & the press went batshit, Love Music Hate Racism put out a statement that's so bigoted, divisive & wrong that they should probably try overcoming themselves.

Everything about it is dubious - so I'll put the loaded words & objections in notes:

Gutter. Sewer.

Outburst.

Moz doesn't single out Muslims, Jews, & Black & Asian politicians - he's against all animal slaughter, but worries about religious & traditional exemptions - he mentions Spain, supermarkets, Nicola Sturgeon, Nigel Farage, Henry Bolton, The Queen, Prince Charles, Princess Anne, Dick Gregory, & David Cameron.

He wants all abattoirs banned.

Yeah - he's getting his facts from marginal sources but that's mainly because the people who should be helping him fact check are too busy calling him a racist.

Just because you think you can hear an echo doesn't mean there is one - smearing & guilt by association are forms of prejudice.

Moz has been slagging off London & diction at least since the 80s, if not from birth - Johnny Marr, Cilla Black, David Beckham - have all failed his standards. It's camp.

Other people being racist towards Diane doesn't make her above criticism. But again, it's camp.

Hitler put the word socialism in his party name - so blame him.

Anne Marie Waters was in The Labour Party for 10 years getting called a racist for trying to highlight the sexism in Sharia Law. Yes, she's cracked up - but if the left wasn't so blind to sexism & homophobia she would probably still be on our side.

Hitler lovers.

Yes, it is accidental. A pull-quote can mislead without being a misquote.

Vile views.

He's right not to trust the media - look at the state of this statement.

He has never backed down in the face of outrage - it burns itself out because it's fuelled by nothing but hot air.

He's been emboldened again - at any moment he may commit genocide by singing Golden Lights.

His views aka Veganism (which is a protected belief) have no place in music or society & they condemn them. Not keeping up with legislation & being unable to separate Morrissey's views from people they've associated with him isn't a good sign in an anti-racism charity.

He's more dangerous & extremist than Clapton??????? In what universe is whinging about Sharia Law & Islamic State (when you're a queer vegan) more dangerous than telling foreigners in your audience to get out of England because it's a white country???

Shut up bigots like Morrissey & his racist friends... this is just hoping old people will be so galvanised by a desire to disassociate themselves from their tainted Smiths collections that they'll turn up to a boring fundraiser.

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Clapton's less dangerous words:

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Moz's more dangerous words:

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Moz could do himself a favour by using boring phrases & never joking whenever he mentions something associated with race or religion but he'd probably consider having to conform worse than getting an unjust kicking.

(It's difficult to get a decent screenshot of Moz's website - so I cut, pasted, printed & photographed it).

I can't find a similar statement about anyone else, not even after Wiley's 48 hour Twitter rant against Jewish people.

 
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WTF? skinnys atari game gone haywire.:blushing:
Are Nerak and Uncle Skinny connected? Someone said to me they thought Nerak might be a Freemason. Not sure about that as it is mostly men who are Freemasons. I think they have ladies days at lodges. Not totally sure if women can be Freemasons. It was to do with her Scottish connections the 33rd Degree Scottish Rite Freemasons. She has connections with London as well doesn't she? And connections with law and the theatre. She must be a bright and cultured lady.
 

Nerak

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In 2017 Moz persuaded his bandmate Mando Lopez to post a Facebook comment for him on the French Leadership debate between Marine Le Pen & Emmanuel Macron.

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He was immediately called a racist & tried again.

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& got denounced as a racist again.

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So why was he bothered?

Probably because he was thinking of his political mission to ban abattoirs. Animal rights activists are routinely dismissed in the press as either violent extremists or irrelevant loons.

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Since taking over The National Front in 2011, Marine Le Pen had rebranded them as The National Rally & had shifted most of their policies to the left, hoping to become a more respectable nationalist party along the lines of the Scottish Nationalist Party whose fascist roots are almost completely forgotten.

During the debate her most controversial statement was a baseless jibe about Macron having an offshore bank account. And the French hard left saw both candidates as equally undesirable.

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With very little to go on the press & therefore the public fell back on labels; Le Pen was far right & aggressive, Macron was a rational centrist.

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As Morrissey is a militant animal liberationist with an extreme abolitionist stance - this was a very bad sign.
 

ThePoliticalRevolution

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In 2017 Moz persuaded his bandmate Mando Lopez to post a Facebook comment for him on the French Leadership debate between Marine Le Pen & Emmanuel Macron.

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He was immediately called a racist & tried again.

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& got denounced as a racist again.

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So why was he bothered?

Probably because he was thinking of his political mission to ban abattoirs. Animal rights activists are routinely dismissed in the press as either violent extremists or irrelevant loons.

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Since taking over The National Front in 2011, Marine Le Pen had rebranded them as The National Rally & had shifted most of their policies to the left, hoping to become a more respectable nationalist party along the lines of the Scottish Nationalist Party whose fascist roots are almost completely forgotten.

During the debate her most controversial statement was a baseless jibe about Macron having an offshore bank account. And the French hard left saw both candidates as equally undesirable.

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With very little to go on the press & therefore the public fell back on labels; Le Pen was far right & aggressive, Macron was a rational centrist.

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As Morrissey is a militant animal liberationist with an extreme abolitionist stance - this was a very bad sign.


HIS FIRST MISTAKE WAS ASKING MANDO TO POST IT. WHO IS THAT? JESUS CHRIST BOOMER.
 
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After Moz decided For Britain was the best hope for British veganism 🙄 & the press went batshit, Love Music Hate Racism put out a statement that's so bigoted, divisive & wrong that they should probably try overcoming themselves.

Everything about it is dubious - so I'll put the loaded words & objections in notes:

Gutter. Sewer.

Outburst.

Moz doesn't single out Muslims, Jews, & Black & Asian politicians - he's against all animal slaughter, but worries about religious & traditional exemptions - he mentions Spain, supermarkets, Nicola Sturgeon, Nigel Farage, Henry Bolton, The Queen, Prince Charles, Princess Anne, Dick Gregory, & David Cameron.

He wants all abattoirs banned.

Yeah - he's getting his facts from marginal sources but that's mainly because the people who should be helping him fact check are too busy calling him a racist.

Just because you think you can hear an echo doesn't mean there is one - smearing & guilt by association are forms of prejudice.

Moz has been slagging off London & diction at least since the 80s, if not from birth - Johnny Marr, Cilla Black, David Beckham - have all failed his standards. It's camp.

Other people being racist towards Diane doesn't make her above criticism. But again, it's camp.

Hitler put the word socialism in his party name - so blame him.

Anne Marie Waters was in The Labour Party for 10 years getting called a racist for trying to highlight the sexism in Sharia Law. Yes, she's cracked up - but if the left wasn't so blind to sexism & homophobia she would probably still be on our side.

Hitler lovers.

Yes, it is accidental. A pull-quote can mislead without being a misquote.

Vile views.

He's right not to trust the media - look at the state of this statement.

He has never backed down in the face of outrage - it burns itself out because it's fuelled by nothing but hot air.

He's been emboldened again - at any moment he may commit genocide by singing Golden Lights.

His views aka Veganism (which is a protected belief) have no place in music or society & they condemn them. Not keeping up with legislation & being unable to separate Morrissey's views from people they've associated with him isn't a good sign in an anti-racism charity.

He's more dangerous & extremist than Clapton??????? In what universe is whinging about Sharia Law & Islamic State (when you're a queer vegan) more dangerous than telling foreigners in your audience to get out of England because it's a white country???

Shut up bigots like Morrissey & his racist friends... this is just hoping old people will be so galvanised by a desire to disassociate themselves from their tainted Smiths collections that they'll turn up to a boring fundraiser.

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Clapton's less dangerous words:

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Moz's more dangerous words:

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Moz could do himself a favour by using boring phrases & never joking whenever he mentions something associated with race or religion but he'd probably consider having to conform worse than getting an unjust kicking.

(It's difficult to get a decent screenshot of Moz's website - so I cut, pasted, printed & photographed it).

I can't find a similar statement about anyone else, not even after Wiley's 48 hour Twitter rant against Jewish people.


Morrissey asked us to support For Britain because they are 'the best hope for British veganism'? You are either a total f***wit or a complete liar. There was not one single word about veganism or animal rights in his post urging us to support them. Just a load of horrible, nauseating, dog whistle far-right crap about the bulldog spirit, keeping the country safe, and being ruled by one law. Any decent person with half a brain knows exactly what is meant by these words. That you twist them to imply it's all about veganism reveals you to be an absolute liar.
 
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