Morrissey as folk devil

Nerak

Reverse Ferret
Morrissey's satirical ambivalence is hard to translate into journalese. They need to pin him down to get a news angle.

When he lamented that England was a memory because he couldn't hear a British accent on London's wealthiest street it was conflated with inflammatory tabloid rhetoric instead of his own mutterings that everything good is dead:

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& shouldn't be forgotten:
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& everything bad, including himself, should be dead:
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& if it's not dead, it's terrible:
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(you can see the way the narrative has built itself around the flag fabrication, throwing in Panic & skipping lightly over his actual words straight to the paper's agenda or comparing it to something someone else said or might say).


When he made an ill-advised but figurative barb at China to convey his incredulity at their treatment of animals, he was accused of genocidal racism.

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He didn't grasp he was being accused of genocidal racism so he tried again to explain that China is very cruel to animals.

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China is very cruel to animals, the legacy of a catastrophic famine & an ideological war against bourgeois sentiment,


but really The Guardian knew what he meant & was giving him a kicking for not letting them use their photoshoot pictures, suing a sister publication & the sheer audacity of a cult artist paying no heed to the climate of opinion & being difficult.


Years later he was chided for wanting to play there:
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It's the worst sounding thing he's ever said & gets paraphrased & literalised into 'he said the Chinese are a subspecies'.

In the same vein, a clumsy comment against racism & alluding to in-group bias (group identity couldn't exist without an inclination towards each other, race is another word for group) has been paraphrased into 'he said he prefers his own race'.

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Which, in the context of Morrissey, is ridiculous.

He doesn't feel he belongs anywhere:
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Was intensely isolated:
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Is pessimistic, dislikes authority & thinks people are the same everywhere.

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Mostly suspects heterosexual men & carnivores:
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BookishBoy

Well-Known Member
Morrissey's satirical ambivalence is hard to translate into journalese. They need to pin him down to get a news angle.

When he lamented that England was a memory because he couldn't hear a British accent on London's wealthiest street it was conflated with inflammatory tabloid rhetoric instead of his own mutterings that everything good is dead:

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& shouldn't be forgotten:
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& everything bad, including himself, should be dead:
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& if it's not dead, it's terrible:
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(you can see the way the narrative has built itself around the flag fabrication, throwing in Panic & skipping lightly over his actual words straight to the paper's agenda or comparing it to something someone else said or might say).


When he made an ill-advised but figurative barb at China to convey his incredulity at their treatment of animals, he was accused of genocidal racism.

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He didn't grasp he was being accused of genocidal racism so he tried again to explain that China is very cruel to animals.

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China is very cruel to animals, the legacy of a catastrophic famine & an ideological war against bourgeois sentiment,


but really The Guardian knew what he meant & was giving him a kicking for not letting them use their photoshoot pictures, suing a sister publication & the sheer audacity of a cult artist paying no heed to the climate of opinion & being difficult.


Years later he was chided for wanting to play there:
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It's the worst sounding thing he's ever said & gets paraphrased & literalised into 'he said the Chinese are a subspecies'.

In the same vein, a clumsy comment against racism & alluding to in-group bias (group identity couldn't exist without an inclination towards each other, race is another word for group) has been paraphrased into 'he said he prefers his own race'.

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Which, in the context of Morrissey, is ridiculous.

He doesn't feel he belongs anywhere:
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Was intensely isolated:
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Is pessimistic, dislikes authority & thinks people are the same everywhere.

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Mostly suspects heterosexual men & carnivores:
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I'd forgotten that little interview in Rookie, thanks for sharing it here!

Also: "Self-Disgust Is the Spur" would be a great album title.
 

Nerak

Reverse Ferret
Morrissey's perspective & image are unstable.

He's haunted by his horrific childhood:
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It means nothing to him:
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He wants it back:
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Marxist magazine Red Pepper sees machismo (?):
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Lynn Barber sees camp:
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Mary Harron (Guardian, 1983), a nerd:
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Even when he was a self-declared socialist in the 1980s there was a concern that his nostalgia was Tory, which seemed to mask a deeper fear that it was peculiar.

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clinging to the past because he fears the future (which brings death):
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& is frightened of the present:
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His vision of England - a place he's attached to & hates - is often normalised into Anglo-Saxon, New Jerusalem, white, Rule Britannia; all Irish immigrant anger, resentment, confusion, distress & paranoia written out.

But he's fascinated by squalor, violence, the outrage of his childhood slum being torn down for inhuman high rises & rural oblivion.

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He's more Glocal than Nationalist, wanting places to have their own character & resources - with some Irish Republicanism.



& his interviews/gigs are laced with unEnglish influences.


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Mozmar

Well-Known Member
Yeah, I'll try & sort it out.

If the article is online, I've linked to it in one of the posts that I've used it in.

Otherwise, it's from
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Yes, but what I think I'd be interested in seeing is what he said, and when he said it, and see if anything has changed through the passage of time, i.e. his thoughts, his views, his commentary, etc. Some of the stuff I have read in this thread are very early quotes, some of which you could argue are quite immature, when compared to where he is now in his life.
I'd probably have a spreadsheet of sorts, categorised by 'years', but each to their own. :cool:
 

Nerak

Reverse Ferret
Yes, but what I think I'd be interested in seeing is what he said, and when he said it, and see if anything has changed through the passage of time, i.e. his thoughts, his views, his commentary, etc. Some of the stuff I have read in this thread are very early quotes, some of which you could argue are quite immature, when compared to where he is now in his life.
I'd probably have a spreadsheet of sorts, categorised by 'years', but each to their own. :cool:

The horror!

I don't think he's changed that much really - still intense & mercurial, just a bit more sarcastic & stoic.
 

Nerak

Reverse Ferret
Things I'm mulling over.

Why does he get policed for every tiny thing he says that might be related to race, Englishness or Britishness, but huge things like his problems with sexuality (beyond some gossip), gender, mental health, social isolation, self-loathing & Irish Catholicism get lightly skipped over despite turning up in a huge number of songs & interviews?

He's been accused of being a Tory or being like the BNP several times despite his support of the IRA & relentless dislike of the Royals being incompatible with those parties (aside from anything else). Why would no one ask why an Irish Republican was supposedly waving a Union Jack?

He's strange, asocial & has a deadpan sense of humour, but why does that trigger so much offense? He's easily avoidable. Why report the supposedly terrible things he's said at gigs?

Some quotes that are part of the mulling:

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& the same old, same old - adding that he doesn't deserve a film he didn't want.

 

Mozmar

Well-Known Member
Things I'm mulling over.

He's been accused of being a Tory or being like the BNP several times despite his support of the IRA & relentless dislike of the Royals being incompatible with those parties (aside from anything else). Why would no one ask why an Irish Republican was supposedly waving a Union Jack?

He's strange, asocial & has a deadpan sense of humour, but why does that trigger so much offense? He's easily avoidable. Why report the supposedly terrible things he's said at gigs?
I know someone else like that, and while dry, or deadpan, humour does have its appeal, it can be misinterpreted by those who don't 'get it'.
It's often delivered without emotion, or any exaggerated gestures (facial or otherwise), so I suspect that in some cases, it's possible this has been a root cause as some might not know if he is actually joking, or being serious.

"Deadpan, dry humour, or dry-wit humour[1] is the deliberate display of emotional neutrality or no emotion, commonly as a form of comedic delivery to contrast with the ridiculousness or absurdity of the subject matter. The delivery is meant to be blunt, ironic, laconic, or apparently unintentional."
 
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