Morrissey and Marr support the League Against Cruel Sports

From Winston Smith:

As the League Against Cruel Sports celebrates the sixth anniversary of the Hunting Act public figures, including Morrissey and Johnny Marr, have expressed their support...

Morrissey -
"The moral climate surely tells all intelligent people that the key to the extent of any person’s humanity is in their relationship to – and protection – of animals.

People who hunt are under delusions of possession and property and divine right, and their debasement of human standards is always evident in their outrage at ever being questioned about their activities.

The countryside, quite remarkably, does not need the Hunting Act to be repealed"

Johnny Marr -

"Sports which involve causing injury to animals are not only cruel but unnecessary and outdated. I'm sure that given the opportunity then the majority of people would choose to outlaw it.

I feel that those who think it's ok to abuse animals for so called sport are ignorant."

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You write terribly, make little sense and are very long-winded.

Shove off.

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Yes, I agree and plead guilty on all three counts. I may have been offensive as well, my apologies. It’s because of my poor education.

Anyhow, What I do not understand is why you think Morrissey should have put himself in the spotlight to be crucified? Everyone knows the media was just going to make him out to be the most infamous racist who ever stepped.

I do understand that you could argue that he owes the Chinese an explanation, but does he really?

He was just speaking of what one would instantly envision if they had witnessed the same horrific treatment of those poor circus animals.

And I don’t think its too farfetched to consider that perhaps, Morrissey’s aims were maybe to have the Chinese question their treatment to animal.

Of course, he could have been a little more choosey with his words, but I’d like to give him the benefit of the doubt instead of taking every advantage to twist his words against him.

I think Morrissey was possibly misinterpreted, and I can see where if he had discussed this issue under situations determined to incriminate him, it would only make matters worse.

So I don’t really think you can blame him from not wanting to be put in such situations where questions are designed to incriminate him further.

He says he is not a racist. So I’ll take him at his word, and not take his words as if he were racist.

I guess my main argument is that at the end of the day:

-Morrissey’s actions can at least be considered justifiable.

- (whereas) The actions of those who viciously mistreat animals could never be justifiable.

And because of this difference, I don’t think it is fair to call Morrissey hypocritical when he chooses not to answer certain question. After all, those questions only server to defer the public’s focus of scrutinizing the actions of those who have absolutely no justification. (I tried my best not to be as long-winded. Thanks for the criticisms)
-rdc
 
I think misinterpretation is the key word when it comes to Morrissey's "controversies".
People who don't like him:crazy:must be delighted when he doesn't justify himself. He's just crazy to assume that
his audience (at least) is clever enough to get his point.
 
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I think misinterpretation is the key word when it comes to Morrissey's "controversies".
People who don't like him:crazy:must be delighted when he doesn't justify himself. He's just crazy to assume that
his audience (at least) is clever enough to get his point.
You even call yourself "my sacred one". Surely you know better than this. Do you really think that others do not know what is going on? Well, you are wrong.
 
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This is great, it's fantastic that Morrissey and Marr aren't afraid to speak out in the defence
of innocent animals. Hunting is a barbaric disgusting cruel activity that the upper class pratts call SPORT!!!! It must be stopped, the thought of an innocent animal being chased by bloodied hounds and ripped apart piece by piece taking sometimes hours to die is INHUMANE. Anyone who feels any differently to these two great men must be very callous and cold hearted. I saw a picture in my local paper showing the Hunt in Maldon Essex and it made me want to throw up I feel ill at the sight of it.

As for Morrissey how can some of you even think he is Racist, I don't think Morrissey could ever be that. He was born in Manchester from Irish parents and believe me that would have made him and his parents the victims of english racism against the Irish and Catholic. Take it from one who knows, my heritage is the same as Moz, whenever I hear
Irish Blood, English Heart I feel as one with him. The English never mention the wrongs they committed against the Irish in the 18th century. Read Brian Friels Translations it s a great eye opener.
 
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This is great, it's fantastic that Morrissey and Marr aren't afraid to speak out in the defence
of innocent animals. Hunting is a barbaric disgusting cruel activity that the upper class pratts call SPORT!!!! It must be stopped, the thought of an innocent animal being chased by bloodied hounds and ripped apart piece by piece taking sometimes hours to die is INHUMANE. Anyone who feels any differently to these two great men must be very callous and cold hearted. I saw a picture in my local paper showing the Hunt in Maldon Essex and it made me want to throw up I feel ill at the sight of it.

As for Morrissey how can some of you even think he is Racist, I don't think Morrissey could ever be that. He was born in Manchester from Irish parents and believe me that would have made him and his parents the victims of english racism against the Irish and Catholic. Take it from one who knows, my heritage is the same as Moz, whenever I hear
Irish Blood, English Heart I feel as one with him. The English never mention the wrongs they committed against the Irish in the 18th century. Read Brian Friels Translations it s a great eye opener.
Read blablabla. No, I do not need to read anything but only open my eyes and ears and during the past two years it became more than obvious how Morrissey thinks. Others would not even THINK to use the word subspecies let alone use it. Oh and yes, of course, we remember very well the answers of his racist/nationalist pig fans who said that they became a Morrissey fan because of Irish Blood English Heart and then use any opportunity to write shit about people from other nations. Irish Blood in itself is racist/nationalist garbage because blood does not have a nationality.
 
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Anyhow, What I do not understand is why you think Morrissey should have put himself in the spotlight to be crucified? Everyone knows the media was just going to make him out to be the most infamous racist who ever stepped.

I do understand that you could argue that he owes the Chinese an explanation, but does he really?
Morrissey owes us all an explanation, not just Chinese people. I'm not saying he "should have put himself in the spotlight to be crucified". If he's confident that his opinion of Chinese people is accurate, then, he should have the guts to face up to anybody who disagrees with him and try to point out the error in their thinking, as he sees it. You seem to have as little confidence in him as he has in himself.

"The media" wouldn't be able to present him as "the most infamous racist who ever stepped" if he didn't make moronic claims about a whole ethnic group. You say that "the media" want to make him look like a racist, but neither Simon Armitage nor any journalist has put words in his mouth. I've yet to see Morrissey say that he was misquoted. If anything, "the media" were doing him a favour by offering him the opportunity to appear on a programme that has upwards of two million viewers to counter the charges being made against him.

He was just speaking of what one would instantly envision if they had witnessed the same horrific treatment of those poor circus animals.
I'm not sure exactly what you mean here, but it sounds as though you're saying that anybody would react to animal cruelty in China as Morrissey has. That's obviously crap. You don't have to condemn an entire population of people simply because of the actions of some of them. To do so is not only ridiculous to the point of idiocy, it's blatant racism.

Of course, he could have been a little more choosey with his words, but I’d like to give him the benefit of the doubt instead of taking every advantage to twist his words against him.
Not only could he have been a little more choosy with his words, he should've been. I am not twisting his words against him. He described the members of an entire ethnic group as "a subspecies". No twisting of his words is necessary.

I think Morrissey was possibly misinterpreted, and I can see where if he had discussed this issue under situations determined to incriminate him, it would only make matters worse.

So I don’t really think you can blame him from not wanting to be put in such situations where questions are designed to incriminate him further.
Again, he hasn't been misinterpreted and his words haven't been twisted. The allegations of racism derive from precisely what he said to somebody who interviewed him. The fact that he has - when he commented further on the matter - refused to retract his remarks simply underscores the point.

He says he is not a racist. So I’ll take him at his word, and not take his words as if he were racist.
Nick Griffin also denies being a racist. So what? Morrissey cannot dignify his racism by simply saying, "I'm not a racist". Like many others, Morrissey seems to want to give the impression that in order to be a racist you have to be a fully paid-up member of the BNP, have a shaved head and a swastika tattooed between your eyebrows. When he denies that he's a racist, he is lying.

I guess my main argument is that at the end of the day:

-Morrissey’s actions can at least be considered justifiable.
His claims cannot be justified. He is claiming that an entire ethnic group of people are cruel to animals (or that they are, at best, complicit with such cruelty). That claim cannot be justified unless there is evidence that points to its being absolutely true. Morrissey cannot provide evidence that "the Chinese are a subspecies" because it does not exist. He can't back up his claim with evidence because the claim is false.

- (whereas) The actions of those who viciously mistreat animals could never be justifiable.
I'm not arguing that mistreatment of animals is justified.

I don’t think it is fair to call Morrissey hypocritical when he chooses not to answer certain question. After all, those questions only server to defer the public’s focus of scrutinizing the actions of those who have absolutely no justification. (I tried my best not to be as long-winded. Thanks for the criticisms)
-rdc
It is absolutely fair to call him both a hypocrite and a racist. He criticises those who refuse to be accountable for themselves as debased and then refuses to be accountable for the views (racist or not) that he holds.

If he doesn't want to be shown up as a racist there are three pretty obvious solutions to that problem: he could outline precisely why the opinion he has of Chinese people is not racist; he could change his views; or failing that, he could just keep his idiotic mouth shut in the first place.

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I agree with the criticism of china, they are a despicable race where animals are concerned.. Weve read the excusesas to why tigers claw cures nail fungus do us all a favour and give cherished animals to those who would love them
Filthy eviil race
Dancing bears is their next claim to fame
Dancing cos the poor bastards were being milked for bile
yes chinese are evil
evil evil evil

irene
 
I agree with the criticism of china, they are a despicable race where animals are concerned.. Weve read the excusesas to why tigers claw cures nail fungus do us all a favour and give cherished animals to those who would love them
Filthy eviil race
Dancing bears is their next claim to fame
Dancing cos the poor bastards were being milked for bile
yes chinese are evil
evil evil evil

irene
You can't just generalise the whole country though, not everyone is fore it all in the country. It's not your fault you happened to be born in that country.
What if i say ALL scouser are thieving filthy dole scum?
Morrissey slags off other sometimes generalising the whole(a seeming grudge on everyone in the country not just the government ect), but of course he is not part of that at all is he, one rule for him and another for the rest of the world, i do like him, he is very intelligent but sometimes he just seems so narrowminded.
Of course Mexico can never go wrong(not that i have anything against Mexicans).
 
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I agree with the criticism of china, they are a despicable race where animals are concerned.. Weve read the excusesas to why tigers claw cures nail fungus do us all a favour and give cherished animals to those who would love them
Filthy eviil race
Dancing bears is their next claim to fame
Dancing cos the poor bastards were being milked for bile
yes chinese are evil
evil evil evil

irene
Conclusive evidence that Morrissey does, indeed, post on Solo.
 
A
Read blablabla. No, I do not need to read anything but only open my eyes and ears and during the past two years it became more than obvious how Morrissey thinks. Others would not even THINK to use the word subspecies let alone use it. Oh and yes, of course, we remember very well the answers of his racist/nationalist pig fans who said that they became a Morrissey fan because of Irish Blood English Heart and then use any opportunity to write shit about people from other nations. Irish Blood in itself is racist/nationalist garbage because blood does not have a nationality.
I think you really do need to read quite alot you sound as stupid as some of the propaganda that is written about Morrissey. Irish Blood is not racist, it is depicting what has happened here over the centuries, back to Henry VIII time and Cromwell. Get out your history books or go join the BNP you do not belong on a Morrissey website.
 
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I think you really do need to read quite alot you sound as stupid as some of the propaganda that is written about Morrissey. Irish Blood is not racist, it is depicting what has happened here over the centuries, back to Henry VIII time and Cromwell. Get out your history books or go join the BNP you do not belong on a Morrissey website.
So much bullshit doesn't deserve a response. Henry III and Cromewell? It may have escaped you that the people who lived back then do not live today anymore. And "the" English from back then are not "the" English of today. But I gather this is, like so many other things, too difficult for you to comprehend.

And you can shuffle your BNP somewhere, because I do not life in the United Kingdom of Great Britain and Northern Ireland. To suggest that I should join the BNP after what I had written bears any... are you on drugs? At least you have the brain of a peanut, so much for sure.
 
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No 27....shut up the f*** up...your words will unfortunately do nothing to us or Morrissey! You my friend, are very boorrrriinngggg...by the time Morrissey releases his next album and begins his next tour, the whole "sub spieces" thing will be forgotten just like the whole "reggae is vile" comment!
It's old news now, so complain somewhere else or better still...go to your nearest train station and throw yourself onto the tracks, you'd be more worth while there...until the next train arrives anyway
 
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No 27....shut up the f*** up...your words will unfortunately do nothing to us or Morrissey! You my friend, are very boorrrriinngggg...by the time Morrissey releases his next album and begins his next tour, the whole "sub spieces" thing will be forgotten just like the whole "reggae is vile" comment!
It's old news now, so complain somewhere else or better still...go to your nearest train station and throw yourself onto the tracks, you'd be more worth while there...until the next train arrives anyway
Morrissey, is that the guy who helped this band
http://www.wonderlandmagazine.com/blog/?p=16534
get gigs in Switzerland?
 
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No 27....shut up the f*** up...your words will unfortunately do nothing to us or Morrissey! You my friend, are very boorrrriinngggg...by the time Morrissey releases his next album and begins his next tour, the whole "sub spieces" thing will be forgotten just like the whole "reggae is vile" comment!
It's old news now, so complain somewhere else or better still...go to your nearest train station and throw yourself onto the tracks, you'd be more worth while there...until the next train arrives anyway
Morrissey is a great, big racialist. He really is. He's hypocritical too.

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Morrissey is a great, big racialist. He really is. He's hypocritical too.

Comment hidden. Troll.

No. 27
Saying (incorrectly) that I'm a troll isn't the same as saying that Morrissey isn't a racist and a hypocrite.

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