Morrissey’s view on gender identity

[K.C]

Interesting what you say about the American vision of life and body being exported to the 'empire'. I think the sparkly-pink-plastic-laden film Barbie started to address similar expectations and standards but only seemed to loop back around to saying that ultimately the masquerade...

...We used to call it conditioning, nobody even mentions that anymore, where you learn how to dress, how to speak...

I am not sure how I ended up on this thread, but parts of it are interesting.

I like your link to the original comment about the recent blockbluster 'Barbie' and the masquerade, I have not watched the film, I did notice it was almost paired with the film 'Oppenheimer'. Which I find ironic. I often wonder weither, as time goes on if we are copying and immitating what we see on the screen, and re-living it in real life, then we film it on our phones or in the films, and the cycle continues. A big difference today is that we can look, watch and listen and read back at the past in endless different ways and copy it, think about it and almost re-live it.

I do wonder if we are all thinking from the original source today, or if people are recycling and completely turning over or inside out (metaphorically).

 

[Anonymous]

Maybe you won’t be so ‘alarmed and bewildered’, after I tell you, that in 1988, Morrissey once stated in a Blitz magazine interview ….

“I've always felt closer to transexuality than anything else.”

And he was being serious.

Oh yes I believe that , and don't think he says anything that he doesn't mean .......

I think I would be puzzled if he started to turn like Boy George and said he was a women and dressed up in full heavy drag with breast implants. He doesn't seem like he is coming from that angle. Maybe in another way he feels like this, maybe harder to describe, more subtle - but not in a brash way like Boy George or Rupauls dragrace................. or even someone who is a women but is a man.

 

[ZOOM FROM GLOOM]

Oh yes I believe that , and don't think he says anything that he doesn't mean .......

I think I would be puzzled if he started to turn like Boy George and said he was a women and dressed up in full heavy drag with breast implants. He doesn't seem like he is coming from that angle. Maybe in another way he feels like this, maybe harder to describe, more subtle - but not in a brash way like Boy George or Rupauls dragrace................. or even someone who is a women but is a man.

Bona drag? or something more subtle? always the rebel … striking a pose .. his runway is Death Valley, … naturally.

 

[Anonymous]

Bona drag? or something more subtle? always the rebel … striking a pose .. my runway is Death Valley, … naturally.

No! Not the Bona Drag video! Ah
........
Is he a typical rebel?? Does he use gender as an act of rebellion, it doesn't strike me as obvious. Moz is smoke and mirrors, cards close to his chest. Which is odd because he is a poser and like's being up on stage. Who knows who the real Morrissey is...

Morrissey 'the last true enigma', I remember being said on a documentary. The Importance of Being Morrissey.

Another read...............
https://doubtfulsounds.net/2009/03/02/article-the-enigma-of-morrissey/

I will love you and leave you, if his next record is released I'd be glad...............

 

[Anonymous bystander]

I think Morrissey has grown into himself with age, just watching the music vid November Spawned A Monster has made be realise that. He is more himself now

 

[Redacted]

Maybe you won’t be so ‘alarmed and bewildered’, after I tell you, that in 1988, Morrissey once stated in a Blitz magazine interview ….

“I've always felt closer to transexuality than anything else.”

And he was being serious.

He is probably the most deliberately provocative person on the planet, but you know he was being serious because you know all of his inner thoughts and feelings

 

[Anonymous]

Morrissey announcing he is trans would be the ideal career move at this point, and probably the only thing which would redeem him in the eyes of those online activists who have previously 'cancelled' him. Instantly, he would be immune to attack and a cause for celebration. Capitol Records would be forced to issue 'Bonfire' immediately, or run the risk of being accused of being transphobic. Billy Bragg would be singing his praises in the street and The Guardian would name him 'Woman of the Year'. I'm astonished he hasn't done this yet.

 

[another singing voice]

“I've always felt closer to transexuality than anything else.”

And he was being serious.

do you know when he said that? it depends on the date that he said it, because that makes a big difference to what he meant.
I don't doubt it was serious, but he can be provoking

 

[j*e*t]

If Morrissey posted on Morrissey-Central tomorrow under the banner

'I HAVE BROKEN THE VEIL, I AM STEPHANIE MORRISSEY'

I would think, well you hid that well - and I would be alarmed and bewildered.

I don't think he has that stance on gender identity, he seems to be an observer and he is a voice and confidence pillar for those that have neither.

I wouldn't be very surprised, after all, I Am Veronica is a recent song of his. I've always thought that if he'd had a careers officer at his school and had been asked what he might like to do when he left school, he might have suggested Page 3 Girl as an ideal job!

 

[Heavens]

Morrissey announcing he is trans would be the ideal career move at this point, and probably the only thing which would redeem him in the eyes of those online activists who have previously 'cancelled' him. Instantly, he would be immune to attack and a cause for celebration. Capitol Records would be forced to issue 'Bonfire' immediately, or run the risk of being accused of being transphobic. Billy Bragg would be singing his praises in the street and The Guardian would name him 'Woman of the Year'. I'm astonished he hasn't done this yet.

hmmm... I don't think it works quite like that, otherwise everyone would be doing it! you can't just switch and chop and change your gender when ever you like, to get what you want - everyone knows this.

 

[BookishBoy]

I wouldn't be very surprised, after all, I Am Veronica is a recent song of his. I've always thought that if he'd had a careers officer at his school and had been asked what he might like to do when he left school, he might have suggested Page 3 Girl as an ideal job!

He almost had the moobs for it, at one point...

 

[Heavens]

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He almost had the moobs for it, at one point...

They were literally poised with their cameras waiting for him to do something like that
Well I wish him the best of luck wherever his career takes him next!

 

[gashonthenail]

Do you have proof they actually said this, what source?

I know that most departments of work,

education and health care centres.. have a odd corruption ethic running

through the margins and the funny employee. Then it seems the

whole institution are damaged on the heads of the group that screwed it up!

I've been there or shall I say outta there, not fast enough.

Few staff would admit to telling that sort of joke, but it has been referred to regularly in reporting on the subject. What is clear, is that several staff working there have stated their concern that there was an emphasis on 'gender identity' above everything else, affirming the presumed gender identity without question, and a neglect of other issues that could explain the 'dysphoria', such as mental health problems, autism, learning disabilities, and confusion about homosexual or bisexual feelings.

 

[Malarkey]

He does meet the modern definition of transgender & has talked about it throughout his career.

It would be a good market for him - although he doesn't like the hoopla & is highly unlikely to accept a label just to get nice press coverage.

 

[gashonthenail]

Maybe you won’t be so ‘alarmed and bewildered’, after I tell you, that in 1988, Morrissey once stated in a Blitz magazine interview ….

“I've always felt closer to transexuality than anything else.”

And he was being serious.

'Closer to' being the key phrase. Maybe he is just saying - I identify with that level of bodily alienation and unhappiness. He's not necessarily saying - hey, I'm trans!

 

[Anonymous]

He does meet the modern definition of transgender & has talked about it throughout his career.

It would be a good market for him - although he doesn't like the hoopla & is highly unlikely to accept a label just to get nice press coverage.

He does not meet the definition of transgender , what are you talking about. Literally Ive been listening to him for years and its never even crossed my mind. Is the modern definition more relaxed? In a way If I have to really think about it, I have seen Morrissey as almost genderless, I just see him as himself. I don't look at him and get the same aura or energy or presense that I do around women, thays why I see him as a man, he has the presence of a man. He does not have the presence of a regular four corners straight man, and he has a feminine touch.

 

[Malarkey]

He does not meet the definition of transgender , what are you talking about. Literally Ive been listening to him for years and its never even crossed my mind. Is the modern definition more relaxed? In a way If I have to really think about it, I have seen Morrissey as almost genderless, I just see him as himself. I don't look at him and get the same aura or energy or presense that I do around women, thays why I see him as a man, he has the presence of a man. He does not have the presence of a regular four corners straight man, and he has a feminine touch.

Being genderless comes under the modern definition of transgender. They'd call it agender.

Essentially if your inner gender self-image doesn't match the external sex you were born in - for whatever reason - then you could be trans.

 

[Anonymous]

Being genderless comes under the modern definition of transgender. They'd call it agender.

Essentially if your inner gender self-image doesn't match the external sex you were born in - for whatever reason - then you could be trans.

Why do we have to label everyone all the time, I don't agree with it and don't do it myself. People need to get over themselves alittle bit, it might do them some good.

 

[Orange Crush]

Can we move on to another topic now, please? My suggestion: Morrissey's view on block paving?

 

[ZOOM FROM GLOOM]

He does not meet the definition of transgender , what are you talking about. Literally Ive been listening to him for years and its never even crossed my mind. Is the modern definition more relaxed? In a way If I have to really think about it, I have seen Morrissey as almost genderless, I just see him as himself. I don't look at him and get the same aura or energy or presense that I do around women, thays why I see him as a man, he has the presence of a man. He does not have the presence of a regular four corners straight man, and he has a feminine touch.

Being genderless comes under the modern definition of transgender. They'd call it agender.

Essentially if your inner gender self-image doesn't match the external sex you were born in - for whatever reason - then you could be trans.

Why do we have to label everyone all the time, I don't agree with it and don't do it myself. People need to get over themselves alittle bit, it might do them some good.

Morrissey’s view on gender identity

This arcticle is about his attitude on sexuality. Which is not at all the same as modern transgender ideology. It's about how people shouldn't label themselves based on who they sleep with. And when he says people can wear the clothes they want, that's not the same as him saying people can say...

www.morrissey-solo.com

Good points both. Maybe someday all people will be treated equally. That’s if we don’t destroy this planet first.

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