Mark E Smith RIP

Discussion in 'Other Music archive (read-only)' started by Uncleskinny, Jan 24, 2018.

By Uncleskinny on Jan 24, 2018 at 7:52 PM
  1. Uncleskinny

    Uncleskinny It's all good Subscriber

    Jun 1, 2000
    On the moors
    RIP you crazy bastard

    UPDATE Jan. 27:

    Perhaps someone has more details on the influence of The Fall on Morrissey. I recall songs from The Fall were played as intermission music before Morrissey shows (according to this YouTube playlist, "Living Too Late" in 2017 and this playlist, "Lie Dream of a Casino Soul" in 1995). Also, this excerpt posted by Uncleskinny from "The Rise, The Fall, and The Rise" by Brix Smith Start (original article from Oct. 2016):

    Mark had been losing patience with Rough Trade and decided we had to look for a new record label. There were a few reasons Mark had soured on them, but the main one was that The Smiths had arrived. This was a huge bone of contention. When he was younger, Morrissey used to write Mark long, fawning letters. Mark has them all saved. Morrissey was obsessed with The Fall and Mark. Mark would never call him Morrissey and would refer to him by his first name, Steven. The rumour was that they named themselves The Smiths after Mark, and that they loved The Fall so much they wanted to be on Rough Trade. One of their first gigs was supporting us.
    It never even dawned on me that our smoking may have set off the alarm. As we were hurrying down the stairs to evacuate the hotel I ran into Morrissey. By this point I was having a full-blown anxiety attack, bordering on panic. The alarm was blaring and I was desperate to find Mark. I asked him, ‘Have you seen Mark?’ Morrissey responded in a dry, mean tone: ‘He’s probably upstairs, burning up in the fire.’ He thought it was funny, but I had no sense of humour right then. I was really worried about Mark’s wellbeing. I never spoke to Morrissey again. He was always so unfriendly, prickly and weird, whereas Johnny Marr was the loveliest, most friendly, genuine person.

    Also, The Fall are #8 in Morrissey's Headful Of Heroes (NME, Sep. 16, 1989) - "Moanchester, so much to answer for":

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Discussion in 'Other Music archive (read-only)' started by Uncleskinny, Jan 24, 2018.

    1. Bluebirds
      Have to say the Gideon Coe 6Music show last night after the news broke is well worth a listen. Available on BBC IPlayer. 3 hours of back-to-back Fall with tributes and anecdotes (and not the obvious ones either). It's like they had it planned or something :rolleyes:

      Sat in a Wetherspoons listening to it. I dont very often do this kind of thing. Last time was after my Nan died in 1999 actually.
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    2. Quando quando quando
      Quando quando quando
      RIP is short for REST IN PEACE.
      Strange word by the way, in this case.
      So I maintain: RIP o_O
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    3. Quando quando quando
      Quando quando quando
      Hope you didn’t mind me saying so and it is only because I like the saying, but when you are young and you are not left wing you don’t have a heart.
      But when you are older and you are still left wing you don’t have a brain.
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    4. Peppermint
      Ah, you mean this, I think, Q: ‘If you’re not a liberal when you’re 25, you have no heart. If you’re not a conservative by the time you’re 35, you have no brain.’ It's often attributed to Churchill but apparently he didn't actually say it. And I like it too :)
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    5. Anonymous

      "I'm Going to Spain" is of course a cover version but a damn fine choice, as are most songs The Fall covered.
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    6. Peterb
      Oh QQQ, you have broken my heart.
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    7. Peterb
      Peppermint, your post makes me sad.
    8. URBANUS
      I think the RIP or not debate is silly. It is up to anyone and just cause Morrissey hates RIP doesn't mean you can't use it. As for saying someone passed that is just a word to show respect to the loved ones.

      In Sweden there has been a long debate about how we tend to wrap up death in every single word except the word death. Mark was a cool northerner and he did not pass or die he just pissed off and I bet he'd have seen it that way too.

      I love how he talks about that legendary Sex Pistols gig everyone went to by saying something like "Everyone talks about it and I was there but it was just a fooking gig". Reminded me of the way most Manchester bands and artists answered questions about what made Manchester so special and many had the same answer, "it's just a place we come from".

      Leave the pomp and circumstance to those soft southerners.
    9. Peppermint
      Oh, Peterb, why?
    10. URBANUS
      Often heard in Sweden too and when you are young you only see the good and the possibilities but with age you see the evil and limits. That saying is very true and Mark was of course open to almost anything in politics. He was not stuck in left wing views at all and unlike many who vote left as some kind of tradition he wanted to know what a party stood for.
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    11. Peterb
      You think that I have no brain.
    12. Peppermint
      :lbf: Well, I'm certain that's not true. I like that quote because it has a truism for me that transcends party politics. I think when you're young you are idealistic, but as we age we inevitably become more pragmatic and see the wider picture - or we should. Does this still bother you?
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    13. Quando quando quando
      Quando quando quando

      That’s it.
      The thing is, as much as I was politically left wing when I was young, and as much as I remember it quite well and I still do feel a lot of compassion for any other people forced to live a life of misery and sorrow, the extreme and over the top ideological measures proposed became at a certain point nonsensical to me and completely irrational.

      I am aware in England things ARE very different than were I live and if I was English I would never vote for the Tories. After Thatcher? Never. NEVAH!

      But, for instance, look at the NHS.
      Healthcare is supposed to be accessible for everybody and for free.

      But there is nothing for free in this world. Costs HAVE to be payed, one way or another.

      I saw a documentary about the NHS and I was appalled.
      That even the prime minister had to publicly make excuses for the lack of enough personnel that can do their work and getting paid a normal and decent wage.

      Why don’t the politicians invest enough money in the healthcare system as they know that that IS priority number 1 for the majority of people living in a modern civilised country?

      I know it is expensive but there is no such thing as a free lunch.

      The costs always come before the revenue.
    14. Peterb
      It only bothers me because I like you and respect your opinions.
      I'd like to think that my views are based on reason and humanity. Maybe idealistic but still in the real world.
      There are quite a few here with whom I am not politically attuned but I do think any the less of them for it.
    15. URBANUS
      Political views change with time cause of personal experiences in life and I am in no doubt your health issue now is another reason for you to look at things in a new way. Going through life with the same opinion is only done by the very narrow minded who when questioned turn to hate and rage as the answer.
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    16. Peppermint
      Well, thank you, PB, the liking is mutual. Yes, reason and humanity, most certainly. With a bit of realism thrown in. And idealism - well, I prefer optimism, which is its slightly more grounded cousin. There, you see, we're not so far apart, are we? ;)
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    17. Peterb
      No, not at all.
      Thank you for taking the time to go through this.
      Before I get rebuked I guess I should go 'on topic'.
      Its a shame Mark E Smith didn't look after himself. We should have had many more years out of the old git.
    18. Peppermint
      Ah, Q, this whole topic is SUCH a hot potato and people have very passionate and conflicting views which can rapidly get ugly on an online forum! But suffice to say, I agree that idealism often fades as we age - partly through maturing and learning more about the world, but also from life's knocks. That's what I like about that quote.
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    19. Quando quando quando
      Quando quando quando
      But, dear Peterb, that was absolutely not my intention!
      I assume you live in good old England, so I hope you understand that if I were English I would never, ever vote for the Tories after Thatcher. That name still gives me the creeps.
      But Labour after that lying bastard Blair? Bah. What a disappointment that was.

      I am not convinced by Corbyn either.
      Teresa May? Weak! Weak! Weak!
      UKIP insane. Boris Johnson?
      A joke but not a funny one.

      I am not up to date about other politicians in England who “seem”capable, reliable and trustworthy. Maybe there are!

      How can I pick up the broken pieces of your heart and melt them together again?
    20. Peppermint
      Yes, a shame. I can't say I feel personally sad because I just didn't get his music. But many people whose opinions I respect seem to have really liked it, so I accept that it must have had something special but it just didn't do it for me. But yes, an awful waste, and a horrible way for anyone to go.
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