Mark E Smith RIP

Discussion in 'Other Music archive (read-only)' started by Uncleskinny, Jan 24, 2018.

By Uncleskinny on Jan 24, 2018 at 7:52 PM
  1. Uncleskinny

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    RIP you crazy bastard







    UPDATE Jan. 27:

    Perhaps someone has more details on the influence of The Fall on Morrissey. I recall songs from The Fall were played as intermission music before Morrissey shows (according to this YouTube playlist, "Living Too Late" in 2017 and this playlist, "Lie Dream of a Casino Soul" in 1995). Also, this excerpt posted by Uncleskinny from "The Rise, The Fall, and The Rise" by Brix Smith Start (original article from Oct. 2016):

    Mark had been losing patience with Rough Trade and decided we had to look for a new record label. There were a few reasons Mark had soured on them, but the main one was that The Smiths had arrived. This was a huge bone of contention. When he was younger, Morrissey used to write Mark long, fawning letters. Mark has them all saved. Morrissey was obsessed with The Fall and Mark. Mark would never call him Morrissey and would refer to him by his first name, Steven. The rumour was that they named themselves The Smiths after Mark, and that they loved The Fall so much they wanted to be on Rough Trade. One of their first gigs was supporting us.
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    It never even dawned on me that our smoking may have set off the alarm. As we were hurrying down the stairs to evacuate the hotel I ran into Morrissey. By this point I was having a full-blown anxiety attack, bordering on panic. The alarm was blaring and I was desperate to find Mark. I asked him, ‘Have you seen Mark?’ Morrissey responded in a dry, mean tone: ‘He’s probably upstairs, burning up in the fire.’ He thought it was funny, but I had no sense of humour right then. I was really worried about Mark’s wellbeing. I never spoke to Morrissey again. He was always so unfriendly, prickly and weird, whereas Johnny Marr was the loveliest, most friendly, genuine person.




    Also, The Fall are #8 in Morrissey's Headful Of Heroes (NME, Sep. 16, 1989) - "Moanchester, so much to answer for":

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Discussion in 'Other Music archive (read-only)' started by Uncleskinny, Jan 24, 2018.

    1. celibate
      celibate
      shocked, just read it here.

      Godspeed Mark
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    3. Anonymous
      Anonymous
      The phrase RIP is Christian terminology, and it is used to indicate that the deceased died in the peace of the Church, that is, united in Christ. Not sure it's particularly apt in this case, and it's certainly inappropriately used in this modern age when the majority of people have no belief in any of these man-made Gods. How about, "Mark E Smith has died - crazy bastard".
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    4. Charlie Cheswick
      Charlie Cheswick
      He voted Conservative.

      For anyone who hasn't read it his book Renegade is superb. I wasn't really into the Fall but I loved it that he had something to say and what he said had a point.
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    5. Johnny Barleycorn
      Johnny Barleycorn
      Renegade is a gem. I’m not sure quite how socialist some of his views in that are.

      Well, as I said before I shed a brief tear last night (listening to The Container Drivers) but now I’m walking to the railway station, Bend Sinister ringing in my ears and a big smile on my face. The sun is out, and the only blemish is we’ve lost another truly great English eccentric and we really cannot afford to.
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    6. Anonymous
      Anonymous
      Major shit going on in your life? Ain't karma a bitch.
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    7. Anonymous
      Anonymous
      This is classic, I come on to see tributes to Mark and see the site troll saying sorry for not being around! Saying he's hoping to see the end of 2018.

      Failing to see that you are 2018. A basement dweller trolling the internet saying absolutely nothing worth listening to. Online narcissism running wild. You can't even pay tribute to a lad who had something to say in life without making it about you. Mark wouldn't want to be in your thoughts, he would have thought you were a loser pal.

      RIP Mark. A life well lived. xxx
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    8. Famous when dead
      Famous when dead
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      Regards,
      FWD.
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    9. Johnny Barleycorn
      Johnny Barleycorn
      I’m not a fan of RIP either, but it is far superior to the relatively recent spate of “passing” and passed.”

      I’m never going to pass. I’m going to die.
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    10. Charlie Cheswick
      Charlie Cheswick
      What about Past Away as from Curb Your Enthusiasm?
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    11. Bluebirds
      Bluebirds
      One of my favourite Fall songs. Had my 40th in Edinburgh and the song was the soundtrack to my weekend (in my head obviously)

      Another personal Fall memory is playing I'm Going To Spain to some bemused Club 18-30 Scouse reps in 1994/95. And they actually enjoyed it

      I've sold my car, thrown in my job, I'm 34 years old
      I think it's time I saw the world, and not Australia
      I've sold my car thrown in my job I'm 34 years old
      I think it's time I saw the world coz I hate the cold and rain and grey
      I'm going to Spain
      Cousin Norman had a real fine time last year
      He said it doesn't rain
      I hope I can quickly learn the language yeah
      I hope I can quickly learn the language
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    13. joe frady
      joe frady
      í always thought Smith's influence on Morrissey's vocal style has been continually underestimated. To put it clumsily (just go listen instead?) the way Smith loved words and tried furiously to wrest every last bit of meaning from his words, adding syllables where ordinarily there should be none, seemed to me to find an echo in Morrissey's vocal delivery, especially in The Smiths.
      Oddly, the part of the Spiegel audio that most raised my eyebrows was when Mark E Smith was brought up. Morrissey will never admit to anyone being an influence upon him, but his response was at least charitable. í know they have an 'interesting' history together.
      Maybe it's just me, but í think the inspiration is there.

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    14. Bluebirds
      Bluebirds
      Definitely agree with you there Joe. I'm sure signing to Rough Trade, the Manc done good story, the artistic singular vision and as you say the vocal inflections, delivery and 'vocabulary'. All influences on Morrissey imo

      I always recall (and it may be an old wives tale) hearing/ reading Moz saw the Fall in the early to mid-90s during one of their creative peaks (imo). In Worcester of all places.

      6Music playing I Want You now. Mark E Smith's only Top of the Pops appearance. What a record. I'm sure I purchased it the same day as Morrissey and Siouxsie's Interlude

      (Apologies for the Michael Bolton intro)
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    15. joe frady
      joe frady
      Speaking of old wives tales {í've always found old wives to be spot on myself} í'm sure í remember reading an ancient interview with Smith where he either confirmed or denied the journalist's story that Morrissey used to seriously stalk him around Manchester, pre-fame. Very hazy daze though.
      Great 'Arsenal' review though; 'I Know it's Gonna Happen Someday' = "extremely beautiful chocolate mystery track". Exactly.

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      PS ~ the only people who should apologise for a Michael Bolton introduction are his parents...


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    16. Cornflakes
      Cornflakes
      I had to Google that, and it seems like he voted Conservative just the once, in 1997. No excuse for that, though, and, yes, it does show that he wasn't a deeply committed socialist.

      He was a Labour party member up until 1983, so maybe he did the classic rightwards shuffle as he got older and more comfortable.
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    17. Bluebirds
      Bluebirds
      That's from Select magazine if I recall correctly? He had a point.

      Today I am only listening to the Fall. Although I will be going out for Burns Night later. Draw your own parallels.
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    18. Charlie Cheswick
      Charlie Cheswick
      I don't want to misquote him or attribute things to him that weren't there from memory, have a read of his book, it's all in there. It's a brilliant read and you'll have it done in a day or two.
    19. Johnny Barleycorn
      Johnny Barleycorn
      In all fairness had more people voted Conservative in 1997 we’d have been spared Anthony Charles Lynton Blair.

      No Blair, no Brown, no Cameron, no May. Sounds quite good.
    20. Ketamine Sun
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      MARK, WHEN THEY MADE YOU THEY BROKE THE MOLD !


      GIVE THEM HELL IN HEAVEN ! OR WHERE EVER YOU ARE.

      WILL NEVER BE ANOTHER. GENIUS ETERNAL.

      THANK YOU, MARK.


















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