Margaret Dale - Morrissey statement at true-to-you.net

Margaret Dale - true-to-you.net
13 March 2013

Margaret Dale

I did not know Margaret on a personal level, but she was always there on the front row - the UK, the US, Israel - wherever we'd go, she'd go. Last week Margaret drove behind the tour bus all the way from Davis to Seattle, and managed to get onstage at Davis. I had signed her arm and it was now a tattoo. This week she is dead. I can only hope, for Margaret, that death yields the profit of rest, and somehow provides her with a listener. We all weary of living in the same skin day after day, in a world where only the blandly trivial are allowed to be heard, but there is nothing wrong with taking your destiny into your own hands, just as there is nothing wrong in understanding what is meant for you and what isn't. We are plonked into life without ever choosing to be, and we are despised if we fail to find a paralyzed spot in which to keep still and shut up. Margaret was a woman of action, who now knows the soul of the world.
Meanwhile, on today's AOL News Page, headlines tell us that Victoria Beckham has reportedly dropped her "fake" look, and William and Kate are in search of yet another home - the constitutional frigidity of a media world now openly obsessed with zombies and morons.

Rest well, Margaret.

Morrissey
Mexico
13 March 2013


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I have to disagree with the statement that Skylarker has said nothing offensive for example what he said about Morrissey only being relevant to Mexicans ect..So it Morrissey would only be relevant if he only appealed to white people?I believe that was a racist comment.He has made them in the past.I don`t think his posts promote discussions.There are more constructive ways to discuss things.I don`t think you have to become nasty and insultive to start discussions.I believe his posts are mainly negative and are only made to be contrary.Having said that he does have a right to be mean and nasty and post his opinions.We also have a right to post our opposing ones.
Why can't you put a space between the end and beginning of your sentences?
 

realitybites

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I have to disagree with the statement that Skylarker has said nothing offensive for example what he said about Morrissey only being relevant to Mexicans ect..So it Morrissey would only be relevant if he only appealed to white people?I believe that was a racist comment.He has made them in the past.I don`t think his posts promote discussions.There are more constructive ways to discuss things.I don`t think you have to become nasty and insultive to start discussions.I believe his posts are mainly negative and are only made to be contrary.Having said that he does have a right to be mean and nasty and post his opinions.We also have a right to post our opposing ones.
What is regarded as offensive is all very subject. That's the problem.
 
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Skylarker

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Why can't you put a space between the end and beginning of your sentences?
Accept Tibby as Tibby is. Completely unacceptable. Didn't you see the signature? That says it all, man.

A damning observation indeed. Mortifying. Animals are dying because of the lack of those spaces. Or something.

P.
You're right...ignorance of basic typing techniques is meaningless and shouldn't be brought up. Instead let's focus on the high caliber intellect Tibby imbues every syllable with. After all, it's the message that counts, not the form it takes.

Mr. Daniel?...Mr. Daniel?
 
Accept Tibby as Tibby is. Completely unacceptable. Didn't you see the signature? That says it all, man.



You're right...ignorance of basic typing techniques is meaningless and shouldn't be brought up. Instead let's focus on the high caliber intellect Tibby imbues every syllable with. After all, it's the message that counts, not the form it takes.



Mr. Daniel?...Mr. Daniel?
Skylarker, you are a complete and utter wanker.

This poor girl died; she loved and had passion in her life. This is tragic by any rational measure. I'm sorry to hear that your friend died at his own hands, but your knowledge of depression and lack of empathy for it, makes me sad that we have a common interest - that being Morrissey's music.

Depression is a black hole of agony, it cannot be described, and it most suredly cannot be understood by some one whom is so obviously delusional. Depression is a mental illness that, if left untreated, evolves into an all encompassing darkness and pain that leaves the affected with no hope or escape. Suicide can be an act of desperation to escape the pain. I suffer from depression and can tell you that it is no fun, even on medication. You may mock me, but I think it's important that your superficial analysis be challenged. You know not of what you speak.

The thought of a family member or friend stumbling across your posts is truly horrifying. They loved her and suffer from her actions and you, with your know-it-all attitude, diminish and belittle their suffering. Fuck you.
 
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Skylarker

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Depression is a black hole of agony,
:lbf:

it cannot be described,
Yes...it can. Some of the best art in the world has been made in the name of describing it.

and it most suredly cannot be understood by some one whom is so obviously delusional. Depression is a mental illness that, if left untreated, evolves into an all encompassing darkness and pain that leaves the affected with no hope or escape. Suicide can be an act of desperation to escape the pain. I suffer from depression and can tell you that it is no fun, even on medication. You may mock me, but I think it's important that your superficial analysis be challenged. You know not of what you speak.

The thought of a family member or friend stumbling across your posts is truly horrifying. They loved her and suffer from her actions and you, with your know-it-all attitude, diminish and belittle their suffering. Fuck you.
It's easy to pillory me for causing grief to her family members when they come across this thread. It's easy and it's convenient and you mindless automatons will always, always choose the easy, convenient way.

I'd like to see somebody point a finger at the real source of their anger, grief, and shock...at the person who really did the unthinkable, the callous, the hurtful, the heartless, the cold, the insensitive. Let me clue you in...it's not me.

And that's about all the time I can muster to respond to your woefully pretentious drivel.
 

BrummieBoy

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Well said Cornelius. If only reverential posts were allowed then either the thread should have been highly moderated or locked after the initial post.

I see what you are saying Uncleskinny but I also take Skylarker's point too. This is a public message board. People are going to write, say and feel what they want. The internet is a hurtful and spiteful place. You only have to look at Twitter, newspaper comments sections or even here to realise that. I'm certain you have written some things on here that have added or caused people hurt. Do you stop for the sake of saving feelings? You could, you just wouldn't be very honest. Users could also follow that rule of 'if you haven't got anything nice to say don't say it at all'. It's a good rule. I'd like to follow more than I do and I'm working on it but it kind of makes for a boring world.

The only reasonable reaction is one displayed by The Cat's Mother. We cannot control the actions of others, all we can control is how we respond to it. Full marks to her.

As I said, I am sorry to hear of Margaret's passing however if Margaret's family comes turns to the internet and the comments of strangers in hope of finding some sort of solace then they are guaranteed to be disappointed. That's what memorial services are for (the solace, not the disappointment).
I can confirm that Uncle Skinny sent me a vile response with a cruel comment which upset me for at least 3 seconds. I can never forgive him. I come to this site to be part of a loving community of sensitive Morrissey types and the Head-Boy/Prefect/Fag turns around and abuses me with a devastating 'keep calm and fcuk off' witticism that only he could have thought up in his cruel lair. This thread is easily one of the best, and I have to say that Skylarker, Viva and allies are making dogmeat of the 'sensitive' types wallowing in faux-sympathy for someone they've never met and in response to a ridiculous 'face time attention whore' eulogy from a singer who never fails to tell us he doesn't mind dying in the dark clouds in the daytime stuff., whilst remembering the shag-symphonies he missed out on cuz he was being a wazzock.

Yet when his poison in a vile bottle karma comes back to beat the shit out of him medically, it's all about "omg! I could have died, not like that wanker pregnant princess! everybody stop their lives and give a damn whilst I go back to England and their free socialist hospitals.." His 'artistic' fixation with suicide seems increasingly bogus as he would embrace death rather than bankrupt a tour for medical bills if he genuinely hated life. He doesn't, he hates the fact that he's not even really famous, that he's an almost-was, almost-ran, washed up has-been. And Visconti not only eat meat in Roma but kept the Bowie return secret...it must be hard being Moz in the era of 'The Next Day'.

Give it a break, Moz. a 10 year break like Bowie, if you've got anything to say, we'll all still be moderately interested. OR carry on pandering to the loopy 'fans' who either have genuine mental illness (i've been there, t-shirt, no joke, but recovered through willpower and not listening to nonsense pop star advice from 5 star hotel life) or are trustafarians who have nothing better to do than waste mom and dad's legacy flying around in hope of hearing the worldwide debut of a classic like "People Are The Same Everywhore" ahem!

Really enjoying this thread, hope I can find time to really dive in, but there's so much to enjoy elsewhere and work is mad real now. And no, I don't feel guilty about Margaret Dale as it's not clear what her demise was triggered by. I feel sympathy for her family and friends, but hope they have the sense not to read anything on this site once they're read a few of the typical remarks. As for Morrissey veering off to slag the Beckhams (or was it the Royals?) simply pathetic behaviour.

As for Moz, maybe he could reflect on whether seeing her following him endlessly and getting fan mail (?) it would have been a real artistic challenge to get off the stage, drop the aura, artistically step in to life and write a song pointout that spending resources on following Moz that could go to private therapy with a real soul-doctor might be a good course of action. SISMS is a genuinely genius song and really showed a fearlessness about the whole mental health taboo, one that smashes the fan/star dichotomy is perhaps too much to hope for, but no worries, I'll do it soon. His interviews have also not flinched from truthfully revealing his complex mental states just as they have his sexual ambiguities which appear genuine rather than a sleveen way not to alienate hetero punters. Instead of thanking the denizens of The Line or the velvet rope thing at concerts, he'd earn far more respect if he said he had genuine concerns that he attracted vulnerable people who might put their treatment needs behind their misguided 'fan adoration'. He did this at the start when a couple of people suicided to a Smiths soundtrack. He was spot on then, it's just another odd disappointment that he's not now.

I was reading others writing that the penny had dropped in terms of Moz pushing it all too far, but I think he can turn it around if he just drops his insecurities, finds the strength and courage to admit he fucks up like we all do and then just facepalms himself and moves on. And I'm not going to stop enjoying 'the best of Moz' whilst ignoring the tsunami of nonsense. There's a whole continent of great artists who were wankers as human beings. I've got a 'sunk investment' in his back catalogue and I intend to mine it for pleasure for as long as I live. But 'fan'? LOLOLOLOL! Morrissey can't last five minutes with me, never has done. He is not very good face to face and needs an editor to hone his stuff, which is why he was good in his time for the NME lulz-fest but such a stand-up comic car-crash in the 'salt grindr' interview.

I get more fun from this site nowadays than from Moz's music, to be honest. It's an extraordinary place and I can't keep up the pretence of being outraged by the super-trolls for much longer. their recent comments on this and other threads are so scathingly pertinent and dubunking of the whole excess fan trip that my only concern is i'll laugh so much i'll pass out.

I must figure out how to link direct to a video as well. Keep up the good work folks, keep those jpegs coming (cue vicscious bitch one in response, lol!) This thread may go on forever..almost. And, if you're reading this: I express my condoloences for the loss of your family member, friend and colleague, though, as I didn't know her, I doubt that's much of a comfort to you in your grief.
 

Peterb

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I can confirm that Uncle Skinny sent me a vile response with a cruel comment which upset me for at least 3 seconds. I can never forgive him. I come to this site to be part of a loving community of sensitive Morrissey types and the Head-Boy/Prefect/Fag turns around and abuses me with a devastating 'keep calm and fcuk off' witticism that only he could have thought up in his cruel lair. This thread is easily one of the best, and I have to say that Skylarker, Viva and allies are making dogmeat of the 'sensitive' types wallowing in faux-sympathy for someone they've never met and in response to a ridiculous 'face time attention whore' eulogy from a singer who never fails to tell us he doesn't mind dying in the dark clouds in the daytime stuff., whilst remembering the shag-symphonies he missed out on cuz he was being a wazzock.

Yet when his poison in a vile bottle karma comes back to beat the shit out of him medically, it's all about "omg! I could have died, not like that wanker pregnant princess! everybody stop their lives and give a damn whilst I go back to England and their free socialist hospitals.." His 'artistic' fixation with suicide seems increasingly bogus as he would embrace death rather than bankrupt a tour for medical bills if he genuinely hated life. He doesn't, he hates the fact that he's not even really famous, that he's an almost-was, almost-ran, washed up has-been. And Visconti not only eat meat in Roma but kept the Bowie return secret...it must be hard being Moz in the era of 'The Next Day'.

Give it a break, Moz. a 10 year break like Bowie, if you've got anything to say, we'll all still be moderately interested. OR carry on pandering to the loopy 'fans' who either have genuine mental illness (i've been there, t-shirt, no joke, but recovered through willpower and not listening to nonsense pop star advice from 5 star hotel life) or are trustafarians who have nothing better to do than waste mom and dad's legacy flying around in hope of hearing the worldwide debut of a classic like "People Are The Same Everywhore" ahem!

Really enjoying this thread, hope I can find time to really dive in, but there's so much to enjoy elsewhere and work is mad real now. And no, I don't feel guilty about Margaret Dale as it's not clear what her demise was triggered by. I feel sympathy for her family and friends, but hope they have the sense not to read anything on this site once they're read a few of the typical remarks. As for Morrissey veering off to slag the Beckhams (or was it the Royals?) simply pathetic behaviour.

As for Moz, maybe he could reflect on whether seeing her following him endlessly and getting fan mail (?) it would have been a real artistic challenge to get off the stage, drop the aura, artistically step in to life and write a song pointout that spending resources on following Moz that could go to private therapy with a real soul-doctor might be a good course of action. SISMS is a genuinely genius song and really showed a fearlessness about the whole mental health taboo, one that smashes the fan/star dichotomy is perhaps too much to hope for, but no worries, I'll do it soon. His interviews have also not flinched from truthfully revealing his complex mental states just as they have his sexual ambiguities which appear genuine rather than a sleveen way not to alienate hetero punters. Instead of thanking the denizens of The Line or the velvet rope thing at concerts, he'd earn far more respect if he said he had genuine concerns that he attracted vulnerable people who might put their treatment needs behind their misguided 'fan adoration'. He did this at the start when a couple of people suicided to a Smiths soundtrack. He was spot on then, it's just another odd disappointment that he's not now.

I was reading others writing that the penny had dropped in terms of Moz pushing it all too far, but I think he can turn it around if he just drops his insecurities, finds the strength and courage to admit he fucks up like we all do and then just facepalms himself and moves on. And I'm not going to stop enjoying 'the best of Moz' whilst ignoring the tsunami of nonsense. There's a whole continent of great artists who were wankers as human beings. I've got a 'sunk investment' in his back catalogue and I intend to mine it for pleasure for as long as I live. But 'fan'? LOLOLOLOL! Morrissey can't last five minutes with me, never has done. He is not very good face to face and needs an editor to hone his stuff, which is why he was good in his time for the NME lulz-fest but such a stand-up comic car-crash in the 'salt grindr' interview.

I get more fun from this site nowadays than from Moz's music, to be honest. It's an extraordinary place and I can't keep up the pretence of being outraged by the super-trolls for much longer. their recent comments on this and other threads are so scathingly pertinent and dubunking of the whole excess fan trip that my only concern is i'll laugh so much i'll pass out.

I must figure out how to link direct to a video as well. Keep up the good work folks, keep those jpegs coming (cue vicscious bitch one in response, lol!) This thread may go on forever..almost. And, if you're reading this: I express my condoloences for the loss of your family member, friend and colleague, though, as I didn't know her, I doubt that's much of a comfort to you in your grief.
This!
 
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Yes...it can. Some of the best art in the world has been made in the name of describing it.



It's easy to pillory me for causing grief to her family members when they come across this thread. It's easy and it's convenient and you mindless automatons will always, always choose the easy, convenient way.

I'd like to see somebody point a finger at the real source of their anger, grief, and shock...at the person who really did the unthinkable, the callous, the hurtful, the heartless, the cold, the insensitive. Let me clue you in...it's not me.

And that's about all the time I can muster to respond to your woefully pretentious drivel.

You wouldn't know art if it bent you over and fucked you in the ass.

You're the Cliff Clavin of this site - know everything about nothing. You're just here to create hostility and gain attention to yourself. Channel your anger into something positive, you'll make mommie real proud.
 
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Skylarker

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You wouldn't know art if it bent you over and fuck you in the ass.

You're the Cliff Clavin of this site - know everything about nothing. You're just here to create hostility and gain attention to yourself. Channel your anger into something positive, you'll make mommie real proud.
Well you sure told me. I'd be amazed if I ever post here again, after a wicked tongue lashing such as that one. Ouch!
 

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