Margaret Dale - Morrissey statement at true-to-you.net

Margaret Dale - true-to-you.net
13 March 2013

Margaret Dale

I did not know Margaret on a personal level, but she was always there on the front row - the UK, the US, Israel - wherever we'd go, she'd go. Last week Margaret drove behind the tour bus all the way from Davis to Seattle, and managed to get onstage at Davis. I had signed her arm and it was now a tattoo. This week she is dead. I can only hope, for Margaret, that death yields the profit of rest, and somehow provides her with a listener. We all weary of living in the same skin day after day, in a world where only the blandly trivial are allowed to be heard, but there is nothing wrong with taking your destiny into your own hands, just as there is nothing wrong in understanding what is meant for you and what isn't. We are plonked into life without ever choosing to be, and we are despised if we fail to find a paralyzed spot in which to keep still and shut up. Margaret was a woman of action, who now knows the soul of the world.
Meanwhile, on today's AOL News Page, headlines tell us that Victoria Beckham has reportedly dropped her "fake" look, and William and Kate are in search of yet another home - the constitutional frigidity of a media world now openly obsessed with zombies and morons.

Rest well, Margaret.

Morrissey
Mexico
13 March 2013


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The Hamburg thing was definitely a demonstration of poor judgement on his part. We all have our bad days though, his was caught on camera. Easy for anonymous person to sit and judge what a pathetic person Morrissey is though when I'm sure you've never said something stupid or that you'd like to take back. :rolleyes:
He was having a bad day? You'll be able to point me toward his public apology to the fan in question then. Did he publicly express his regret over what he did? I don't recall that happening.

You're missing (or perhaps just wilfully avoiding) the point though; namely, that he doesn't have the backbone to be rude to, or critical of, people he disagrees with in person. He gets other people to do it for him.
 
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Sorry but may I just ask why you are on a Morrissey forum?
You seem to hate him or should I say detest him so much...
Morrissey, unlike other so called celebrities, actually takes time to acknowledge his fans and with this heartfelt sentiment he has shown this.
His opinions have never changed on the subject of suicide and I am sure the lady in question would be eternally happy that he even thought of her, let alone write a rare statement about her.
well said,

Hazard
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CrystalGeezer

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He was having a bad day? You'll be able to point me toward his public apology to the fan in question then. Did he publicly express his regret over what he did? I don't recall that happening.

You're missing (or perhaps just wilfully avoiding) the point though; namely, that he doesn't have the backbone to be rude to, or critical of, people he disagrees with in person. He gets other people to do it for him.
Are you that person in Hamburg? If not then why does it bother you? I'm under the impression Morrissey lives in an Escher-esque split level mansion of stairs and passages that personifies his "communicay" with "the people" which can get very convoluted, in ADDITION to being a little different himself. Just have some empathy that the dude ain't normal and when he fucks up, it's complicated to fix sometimes. And if you're not the guy in Hamburg why in the hell do you care? :squiffy: Also how do you know what he eats? :confused: Do you know him? Has he personally wronged you and you're using Hamburg as an example?
 
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Are you that person in Hamburg? If not then why does it bother you? I'm under the impression Morrissey lives in an Escher-esque split level mansion of stairs and passages that personifies his "communicay" with "the people" which can get very convoluted, in ADDITION to being a little different himself. Just have some empathy that the dude ain't normal and when he fucks up, it's complicated to fix sometimes. And if you're not the guy in Hamburg why in the hell do you care? :squiffy: Also how do you know what he eats? :confused: Do you know him? Has he personally wronged you and you're using Hamburg as an example?
Much of the above is nonsensical. Amid the gibberish, however, I'm able to detect that you're implying that I shouldn't care about something unless it affects me personally. Why? If I need to explain why I care about somebody being thrown out of a concert they've paid to attend, the reason is that I "have some empathy" with the person who had the balls to answer back to the rich celebrity, rather than the celebrity himself.

Again, though, you're still evading the point: Morrissey needs other people to do his dirty work or, at least, to have lots of people backing him up before he'll do it himself. You inadvertently made the point yourself when you said, "...it's possible that bit about salting the chips was exaggerated. I'm sure the assistant was there more to tell the interviewer to fuck off when he asked about reforming The Smiths for the bazillionth time and the salt thing was a coincidence or something".
 

CrystalGeezer

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Would someone be so kind and fill me in on that "Hamburg Incident"?
In Hamburg Morrissey started to make fun of the name of the city (even though it was named Hamburg long before people started eating Hamburgers) and a guy in the audience called him out on it asking him not to make fun of the name of his city. Morrissey got bitchy about being questioned and told the guy he could leave. The guy said "But I love you" or something to that effect and Morrissey said "Love me outside!" And security escorted him out. Not a shining moment in my opinion. I think that's how it went down. It was sad. At least reading it online, I wasn't there, maybe the guy was drunk all night and yelling stuff. It didn't make sense.
 

CrystalGeezer

My secret's my enzyme.
Much of the above is nonsensical. Amid the gibberish, however, I'm able to detect that you're implying that I shouldn't care about something unless it affects me personally. Why? If I need to explain why I care about somebody being thrown out of a concert they've paid to attend, the reason is that I "have some empathy" with the person who had the balls to answer back to the rich celebrity, rather than the celebrity himself.

Again, though, you're still evading the point: Morrissey needs other people to do his dirty work or, at least, to have lots of people backing him up before he'll do it himself. You inadvertently made the point yourself when you said, "...it's possible that bit about salting the chips was exaggerated. I'm sure the assistant was there more to tell the interviewer to fuck off when he asked about reforming The Smiths for the bazillionth time and the salt thing was a coincidence or something".
I didn't inadvertently make that point, I'm familiar with the concept of a wingman. That concept is not lost on me. What I don't get is your argument that Hamburg is a stellar example of people doing his "dirty work." Do you expect him to jump off stage into the throng of zombie fans and personally escort the guy out the door?
 

CrystalGeezer

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Being at a show verses reading the reviews after... It's ridiculous the world of difference regarding mood or intonation of a comment or whatever. I read every event review I'm not physically at with a complete grain of salt. But still, the Hamburg thing was not cool. Maybe like a weird moment where he felt called upon to be fighty. Been there. Reason goes out the door.
 
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Being at a show verses reading the reviews after... It's ridiculous the world of difference regarding mood or intonation of a comment or whatever. I read every event review I'm not physically at with a complete grain of salt. But still, the Hamburg thing was not cool. Maybe like a weird moment where he felt called upon to be fighty. Been there. Reason goes out the door.
The guy told Morrissey to go fuck himself because he thought Morrissey was making fun of the city. The crowd booed the guy, and Morrissey told him to leave and that he should go fuck himself, etc, etc.
 
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I didn't inadvertently make that point, I'm familiar with the concept of a wingman. That concept is not lost on me.
It's certainly lost on me. No idea what you're talking about.

What I don't get is your argument that Hamburg is a stellar example of people doing his "dirty work." Do you expect him to jump off stage into the throng of zombie fans and personally escort the guy out the door?
What I would actually have expected would've been that he either: (a) ignore the fan's comment since it was pretty trivial and not worth taking notice of, or (b) engage with the heckler, rather than having him expelled from the venue. For someone who's so quick to use the word "dictatorship" when talking about others, he seems to have great difficulty with people expressing dissent.

I said, "Morrissey needs other people to do his dirty work or, at least, to have lots of people backing him up before he'll do it himself". The Hamburg incident was an example of him needing back-up before daring to confront somebody. Your claim that he the salt-dispensing assistant was actually present at the recent interview so that he could tell the interviewer to "fuck off" if he asked questions Morrissey didn't like is an example of him needing other people to do his dirty work. The sacking of Andy Rourke and his failure to deal with the money issue in The Smiths are further examples of his spinelessness.
 
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here is the end of the altercation..I know the rest is online somewhere.
I never thought I'd hear Morrissey tell someone to fuck their self. I quite like his intonation. And is the reason Moz chose Boz over Alain is Moz needs a yesman/bodyguard more than he needs a talented guitarist?
 
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The guy told Morrissey to go fuck himself because he thought Morrissey was making fun of the city. The crowd booed the guy, and Morrissey told him to leave and that he should go fuck himself, etc, etc.
It was poor judgment on both parts. Morrissey was obviously making a silly, harmless joke. It did not require such an exaggerated response; in fact, Morrissey often says things like that about the towns where he is appearing. The first time I saw him in Atlantic City, he said something like "My God, how did I end up here?" People were perplexed for a second, but nobody got upset. It is just his nervous banter. I do think that it is hot that Morrissey told him to "fuck off", completely out of character, but hot. As for the fan being escorted out, he was being a distraction, and if he was that concerned about not seeing his beloved, then he should have kept his yap shut. Morrissey made a joke (sort of) about Hamburgers, he didn't attack Germany and its responsibility for starting two world wars, the two deadliest conflicts to ever take place on the planet.
 
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It was poor judgment on both parts. Morrissey was obviously making a silly, harmless joke. It did not require such an exaggerated response; in fact, Morrissey often says things like that about the towns where he is appearing. The first time I saw him in Atlantic City, he said something like "My God, how did I end up here?" People were perplexed for a second, but nobody got upset. It is just his nervous banter. I do think that it is hot that Morrissey told him to "fuck off", completely out of character, but hot. As for the fan being escorted out, he was being a distraction, and if he was that concerned about not seeing his beloved, then he should have kept his yap shut. Morrissey made a joke (sort of) about Hamburgers, he didn't attack Germany and its responsibility for starting two world wars, the two deadliest conflicts to ever take place on the planet.
The guy made one remark in a split-second reaction. He wasn't disrupting proceedings. There was no need to have him thrown out. Morrissey had the duration of a song to think about how to respond, so his conscious decision to try humiliate the audience member wasn't a knee-jerk reaction made in the heat of the moment.
 

modrevolve

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I don't remember this fan ejection being talked about here. From Denmark 2009
 
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Playcat2000

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The guy made one remark in a split-second reaction. He wasn't disrupting proceedings. There was no need to have him thrown out. Morrissey had the duration of a song to think about how to respond, so his conscious decision to try humiliate the audience member wasn't a knee-jerk reaction made in the heat of the moment.
I'm glad he threw the dumbfuck out.
 

Oso Blanco

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My goodness, I never thought that Morrissey would be that ... well ... kind of asshole. Sorry for that word, but that's the only one I can think of - assuming that that guy really shouted only one remark and behaved well otherwise. Until now I have always defended Morrissey and his sometimes strange attitude, but what he did to that guy in Hamburg is just insane! And why the hell did the audience applaude him? They should have collectively left the place to show him how out of place he was!

And what prompted his reaction in Denmark? I can't make it out from the video.
 
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Bizarrely, she is being buried in Southern Cemetery in Manchester
 

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