Morrissey Central "MANCHESTER, TODAY" (June 21, 2022)

MANCHESTER, TODAY

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Regards,
FWD.
 

gordyboy9

Let The Bullets Fly.
Apollo capacity - 3,500
Arena capacity - 21,000
The Apollo is a much better venue on the whole than the Arena by a mile, fair enough, but those numbers are not a coincidence.

The residual die hards are there, I am still friends with many of them, but that number is ever decreasing year by year, scandal by scandal. You can deny that all you want, but it is true. Everyone has their breaking point, I've reached mine and plenty of my friends have before and after me. Others have their's ahead of them. It will come for most of them, while others will play dumb and ignore until the bitter end. I saw Morrissey a good number of times between 04 and 15. I wouldn't see him now if you paid me.

Compare the general public's feelings towards Morrissey now and to, let's say, the 2004 comeback. Hell, even the 2012 gig at the MEN Arena did well, but the complaints from people after was regarding the setlist, as well as the venue. Come to Manchester now, however, and no casual music fans will want to go and see Morrissey any more, thanks to his own little outbursts that come time and again. Go and see how quiet the Smiths night at S&G had tragically gotten, even before the pandemic. There is no good will now, not even for a nostalgia act which one could interpret Morrissey as being despite his output.
before 2012 he always played 2000-3000 venues,hes going back to his roots.
maybe your skinflint in disguise with one of his may accounts.
 

Gregor Samsa

I straighten up, and my position is one of hope.
Hey, that's the lyrics to "all you need is me"! I like that song, it's very good.

You're right. I pop on here, see what the news is, have a look at the latest flamewar taking place, see which bassist has been replaced, setlist etc. I even didn't mind half of dog on a chain, thought the previous two LPs were offensively bad. The man was such a deep part of my life that his dalliance with things I find objectionable is so painful and sad. The only money he will see from me are the pennies he gets from Spotify plays. The only way to truly hurt Morrissey isn't through words on here, or even words on social media or the Guardian/NME whatever, it's to not give him your money. He's notoriously obsessed with cold hard cash. Ask Spencer, ask Danton.

I hope those who go to the Apollo and all those shows have a lovely old time. I've been there, done that, got the t-shirt, and since given it to the charity shop x
Yet you can’t move on. Not really. You still come here on a regular basis and immerse yourself in the world of Moz. You still get triggered by his presence and by whatever he is doing. And by his (other) fans. You still play his music. You’re still hurt that the pop star guy you devoted so much of your life to “betrayed” you by not being exactly as you wanted him to be. And you can’t. let. go.

If you want your words and your sentiments to be taken seriously, leave. If you keep coming back, you only look like a jilted lover bordering on psychotic.
 
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Hey, that's the lyrics to "all you need is me"! I like that song, it's very good.

You're right. I pop on here, see what the news is, have a look at the latest flamewar taking place, see which bassist has been replaced, setlist etc. I even didn't mind half of dog on a chain, thought the previous two LPs were offensively bad. The man was such a deep part of my life that his dalliance with things I find objectionable is so painful and sad. The only money he will see from me are the pennies he gets from Spotify plays. The only way to truly hurt Morrissey isn't through words on here, or even words on social media or the Guardian/NME whatever, it's to not give him your money. He's notoriously obsessed with cold hard cash. Ask Spencer, ask Danton.

I hope those who go to the Apollo and all those shows have a lovely old time. I've been there, done that, got the t-shirt, and since given it to the charity shop x

I don't know why you'd want to hurt someone who was targeted for his sexuality & harassed for over thirty years.
 

Bluebirds

Well-Known Member
Apollo capacity - 3,500
Arena capacity - 21,000
The Apollo is a much better venue on the whole than the Arena by a mile, fair enough, but those numbers are not a coincidence.

The residual die hards are there, I am still friends with many of them, but that number is ever decreasing year by year, scandal by scandal. You can deny that all you want, but it is true. Everyone has their breaking point, I've reached mine and plenty of my friends have before and after me. Others have their's ahead of them. It will come for most of them, while others will play dumb and ignore until the bitter end. I saw Morrissey a good number of times between 04 and 15. I wouldn't see him now if you paid me.

Compare the general public's feelings towards Morrissey now and to, let's say, the 2004 comeback. Hell, even the 2012 gig at the MEN Arena did well, but the complaints from people after was regarding the setlist, as well as the venue. Come to Manchester now, however, and no casual music fans will want to go and see Morrissey any more, thanks to his own little outbursts that come time and again. Go and see how quiet the Smiths night at S&G had tragically gotten, even before the pandemic. There is no good will now, not even for a nostalgia act which one could interpret Morrissey as being despite his output.
That's interesting (and slightly sad) about the S&G. Does it still occur? Yet when Blossoms and Rick Astley did a night of Smiths songs it sold out (admittedly part-novelty value) and Smiths tribute bands regularly attain nearly sold-out venues, albeit in smaller capacity venues.

For info I'm thinking of going to one or two nights of the tour but will probably wait to see the Twickets situation a couple of days beforehand ie I'm not too bothered, whereas years ago I would have been on the end of a phone and a computer waiting for the time the tickets went onsale
 

Ben Budd

Well-Known Member
That's interesting (and slightly sad) about the S&G. Does it still occur? Yet when Blossoms and Rick Astley did a night of Smiths songs it sold out (admittedly part-novelty value) and Smiths tribute bands regularly attain nearly sold-out venues, albeit in smaller capacity venues.

For info I'm thinking of going to one or two nights of the tour but will probably wait to see the Twickets situation a couple of days beforehand ie I'm not too bothered, whereas years ago I would have been on the end of a phone and a computer waiting for the time the tickets went onsale
Blossoms and Astley thing was all novelty value, they're great songs being performed by a great singer and hot, young band with cred. The Smith back catalogue remains timeless, and even I berate skinny jean idiots in 90s clothing for throwing out the baby with the bathwater when it comes to the Smiths and Morrissey's comments since.

I went to the s&g a few times since the pandemic eased, usually at the end of the night as I have just left a pub job that saw my Friday nights booked so I'd get a chance for one pint and to say hello. There were the usual die hards who I've known for, god, seventeen years now, but the days of people queueing up to get in has gone. That is likely a reflection of people's attitudes towards going out now, cost of living crisis etc etc, but it also ties into what I said in an earlier post about people having breaking points. A good number of friends I made at such nights just don't go anymore, because it's Morrissey, and you know, those things he said.
 

Ben Budd

Well-Known Member
before 2012 he always played 2000-3000 venues,hes going back to his roots.
maybe your skinflint in disguise with one of his may accounts.

I legitimately do not know what this sentence means.
 

NealCassidy

FREE SPEECH #FBPB
Apollo capacity - 3,500
Arena capacity - 21,000
The Apollo is a much better venue on the whole than the Arena by a mile, fair enough, but those numbers are not a coincidence.

The residual die hards are there, I am still friends with many of them, but that number is ever decreasing year by year, scandal by scandal. You can deny that all you want, but it is true. Everyone has their breaking point, I've reached mine and plenty of my friends have before and after me. Others have their's ahead of them. It will come for most of them, while others will play dumb and ignore until the bitter end. I saw Morrissey a good number of times between 04 and 15. I wouldn't see him now if you paid me.

Compare the general public's feelings towards Morrissey now and to, let's say, the 2004 comeback. Hell, even the 2012 gig at the MEN Arena did well, but the complaints from people after was regarding the setlist, as well as the venue. Come to Manchester now, however, and no casual music fans will want to go and see Morrissey any more, thanks to his own little outbursts that come time and again. Go and see how quiet the Smiths night at S&G had tragically gotten, even before the pandemic. There is no good will now, not even for a nostalgia act which one could interpret Morrissey as being despite his output.
why are you sat here typing on a morrissey site then? the state of some people
 

Ben Budd

Well-Known Member
mate, I'd at least give it a go if I could make sense of what you're saying.
 
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Far Right Stasis

Guest
Blossoms and Astley thing was all novelty value, they're great songs being performed by a great singer and hot, young band with cred. The Smith back catalogue remains timeless, and even I berate skinny jean idiots in 90s clothing for throwing out the baby with the bathwater when it comes to the Smiths and Morrissey's comments since.

I went to the s&g a few times since the pandemic eased, usually at the end of the night as I have just left a pub job that saw my Friday nights booked so I'd get a chance for one pint and to say hello. There were the usual die hards who I've known for, god, seventeen years now, but the days of people queueing up to get in has gone. That is likely a reflection of people's attitudes towards going out now, cost of living crisis etc etc, but it also ties into what I said in an earlier post about people having breaking points. A good number of friends I made at such nights just don't go anymore, because it's Morrissey, and you know, those things he said.
I remember Ben and saw him at a lot of gigs, it says a great deal about the mentality of what’s left of Morrissey’s fanbase casually dismiss him as a “hater”.
 

Ketamine Sun

WE’RE ALL SLAVES
You're getting a bit muddled there, wee guy. Tens of thousands of fans have jumped ship.

Seems they weren’t fans to begin with, more like ‘casual music fans’ as you yourself described them in your prior post.


If you think pointing this out is 'hating' you're obviously a bit simple.
Fingers crossed, enough of them have forgiven M for repeatedly endorsing/supporting various right-wing twats. They may well have done - he hasn't issued any more supporting statements for a couple of years which will hopefully have made a difference. We find out soon.

their loss.
 

T. H. Auden

Active Member
It’s strange that somehow Morrissey is the bad guy that seems to irritate a lot of englishmen, and not the radical islamists behind the Manchester 2017 bombing, killing of MP Amess and so on. I don’t even think Morrissey has killed anyone before. So it’s a peculiar world, no doubt.
 

Ketamine Sun

WE’RE ALL SLAVES
It’s strange that somehow Morrissey is the bad guy that seems to irritate a lot of englishmen, and not the radical islamists behind the Manchester 2017 bombing, killing of MP Amess and so on. I don’t even think Morrissey has killed anyone before. So it’s a peculiar world, no doubt.


I’m not gonna get into politics. But Morrissey does get treated as if he killed someone rather than just someone that has expressed their opinions.

And those that got their knickers in a twist over what he said are the same delusional ‘fans’ that thought they and Morrissey were/are the same person, identifying with who they think he is so much so that they couldn’t see that it is possible to simply enjoy his art for what it is. They only betrayed themselves.
 
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Far Right Stasis

Guest
Seems they weren’t fans to begin with, more like ‘casual music fans’ as you yourself described them in your prior post.




their loss.
That’s total nonsense. A number of serious Morrissey fans who attended well over 100 gigs each have walked away. Hardly casual music fans.
 

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