Love Music Hate Racism by Fiona Dodwell - Tremr

Love Music, Hate Racism? An OpenLetter - Tremr
This is an opinion piece by Fiona Dodwell

A note to DJ Dave Haslam

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Related items:

• Love Music Hate Racism event by Dave Haslam - Manchester, same night Morrissey plays (July 8, 2018) - June 21, 2018
• 'This Is Morrissey' details - liner notes by Fiona Dodwell; vinyl release date Aug. 31, 2018 - June 7, 2018
• This is Morrissey: An Interview by Fiona Dodwell - Tremr - June 5, 2018
• Morrissey: The Great Unfiltered Artist? by Fiona Dodwell - tremr.com - May 16, 2018

 

[Bluebirds]

1-0.

Yes, England can easily get to the final.
Then the whole Morrissey-debate will disappear to the back pages ;-)

If England get to the Final the whole of England will be all-a-flutter with flags of St George. Morrissey will be in his element. It will be like a wet dream. It is probably why he cancelled the tour.

Personally I'm rooting for Colombia (and Uruguay)

 

[Charlie Cheswick]

Smug f***er, nothing else.

I'm just laughing at you Breitbart blow in anons. You're all so wound up about things you have no control over, blaming every other f***er for your problems just like Morrissey.

 

[Thewlis]

I can't believe there are many Smiths or Morrissey fans who aren't disappointed by his views when it comes to race. His support of Tommy Robinson, his support of Ann Marie Waters, his support of For Britain are all things which are the opposite of my moral standpoint. This is not about free speech it is about the undisputed content of what Morrissey said and what his beliefs clearly are. He is now lauded by people from For Britain, an undeniably right wing movement. Having seen the Smiths in the '80's and then seen him probably another 13 times I have turned a blind eye to his utterance for the last time. From my standpoint his views on race, which are now pretty consistently right wing, are no longer acceptable to me. That doesn't mean I would deny him the right to express them but does mean that I will no longer be paying to see him, listen to him etc. I truly believe he has sullied his legacy and I truly believe my opinion is echoed in many, many Smiths and Morrissey fans.

What views on race do you mean specifically?
In my opinion he has never expressed them except for the Chinese but that was animal cruelty-related. I think you are confusing the (social) media’s response to his apparent views on race rather than the views themselves.
And I certainly would never label him right- or left-wing. The truth is rarely pure and never simple.

 

[Charlie Cheswick]

If England get to the Final the whole of England will be all-a-flutter with flags of St George. Morrissey will be in his element. It will be like a wet dream. It is probably why he cancelled the tour.

Personally I'm rooting for Colombia (and Uruguay)

The latest right wing thing is that we aren't allowed to have St George flags in case we offend Muslims. I'm surprised Morrissey didn't add it to his Queen's Speech.

 

[Anonymous]

I'm just laughing at you Breitbart blow in anons. You're all so wound up about things you have no control over, blaming every other f***er for your problems just like Morrissey.

My Problems???, What the f*** you droning on about?, You silly f***er, if you wanna be a comedian get up on stage and do it, or maybe a spot on Countdown, check peoples spelling? Dickface!

 

[g23]

It's funny that she accuses Dave of attaching himself to Morrissey's name to further his agenda and career when nobody had heard of her before she attached herself to Morrissey's name to further her agenda and career. Not to mention that she's crying free speech while basically saying that protesting somehow doesn't fall under the same banner. What a clueless f***ing contradictory simpleton she is.

 

[scatterkeir]

For Britain, an undeniably right wing movement

It seems that there is nothing which is undeniable. Several people on this forum will, in fact, deny that For Britain is right wing.

 

[Anonymous]

I hope Dave Haslam is going to sort all our problems out, but I just don't see how going to Deansgate Locks, taking a load of Cocaine, MDMA, Ecstacy, mixed with alcohol is gonna do anything for anyone, these substances mash your brain, and let's face it that's what will be happening there.

Excellent point.

 

[Charlie Cheswick]

My Problems???, What the f*** you droning on about?, You silly f***er, if you wanna be a comedian get up on stage and do it, or maybe a spot on Countdown, check peoples spelling? Dickface!

So much anger. You should go have a rant on Breitbart, get it out your system.

 

[Fawdy]

What views on race do you mean specifically?
In my opinion he has never expressed them except for the Chinese but that was animal cruelty-related. I think you are confusing the (social) media’s response to his apparent views on race rather than the views themselves.
And I certainly would never label him right- or left-wing. The truth is rarely pure and never simple.

Saying that black and white people will never get on is quite race specific. I also think his support of Tommy Robinson, Ann Marie Waters and For Britain would make it clear that he is firmly right wing - I can't understand how you would suggest otherwise. Similarly a lot of what Robinson, Waters and For Britain campaign on are race based issues. You can ignore this all you want and do the Farage/Corbyn thing of blaming the media but for me his words mean that I just don't like him anymore, don't respect him and won't be listening to him.

 

[Fawdy]

It seems that there is nothing which is undeniable. Several people on this forum will, in fact, deny that For Britain is right wing.

I think you are correct - that is for them. For me supporting Tommy Robinson, Waters, For Britain is way off my morale stand point and I do not want to be associated with people who support them. For some others this is acceptable and that is for them to square with their conscience.

 

[Anonymous]

So much anger. You should go have a rant on Breitbart, get it out your system.

Another ridiculous argument.
Or rather lack of one.
Or am I missing your humour?Again.

 

[g23]

I've seen many over the years and the only living competitor in my opinion is Kate Bush

I'd rather listen to Morrissey than Kate's bush any day, and it's been a while since I could listen to Morrissey without crinkling my nose.

 

[StalinsPipe]

The latest right wing thing is that we aren't allowed to have St George flags in case we offend Muslims. I'm surprised Morrissey didn't add it to his Queen's Speech.

Which is funny, because having worked in education in working class towns with sizeable Asian and Muslim populations (Rochdale and Oldham) the overwhelming majority of Muslim kids I worked with rooted for England when it came to the Euros and the World Cup, and supported English clubs.

 

[scatterkeir]

Our muslim neighbours always get a christmas card from us, and it's funny to think that if we were racists we might give them exactly the same card but expect them to find it offensive.

 

[Anonymous]

Which is funny, because having worked in education in working class towns with sizeable Asian and Muslim populations (Rochdale and Oldham) the overwhelming majority of Muslim kids I worked with rooted for England when it came to the Euros and the World Cup, and supported English clubs.

Also, St George is a legitimate Muslim saint. Particularly popular in Palestine, apparently.

 

[StalinsPipe]

He is now lauded by people from For Britain, an undeniably right wing movement.

Of course they are, at least to those of us who have some understanding of ideology.

When I see people arguing they aren't right-wing, they'll point to Waters' former Labour Party membership. Of course, this proves nothing, as people's ideologies can change. I'd always point to the fact that For Britain was founded by a former leading member of the BNP (although he may not necessarily be a full blown racist anymore, just like AMW isn't a socialist) anymore, the wealth of members and candidates that propagate far right bollocks, and point people towards their manifesto, which is full of dog whistles, and even mentioned abolishing the 48 hour working week directive (a basic right for workers, which prevents employers from forcing you to work more than 48 hours in a 7 day period.

But then, many of them will say "Islam isn't a race, it's a religion", to which I'd say people said the same thing about Jews, and look at how that turned out.

 

[Thewlis]

Saying that black and white people will never get on is quite race specific. I also think his support of Tommy Robinson, Ann Marie Waters and For Britain would make it clear that he is firmly right wing - I can't understand how you would suggest otherwise. Similarly a lot of what Robinson, Waters and For Britain campaign on are race based issues. You can ignore this all you want and do the Farage/Corbyn thing of blaming the media but for me his words mean that I just don't like him anymore, don't respect him and won't be listening to him.

Well, that was a quote from 1992, did you have trouble listening to his music then, too?
I think his support for For Britain is mainly a support for Anne Marie Waters, whom he likes for her feminism, anti-animal cruelty-stance, two things he's always advocated. And the anti-establishmentness of the party also helps. On similar grounds he has supported Barack Obama and Bernie Sanders but strangely enough that didn't cause a huge media stir. I believe Moz holds the same beliefs now as he's always done, and those beliefs are neither right-wing nor left-wing.

 

[Anonymous]

It's funny that she accuses Dave of attaching himself to Morrissey's name to further his agenda and career when nobody had heard of her before she attached herself to Morrissey's name to further her agenda and career. Not to mention that she's crying free speech while basically saying that protesting somehow doesn't fall under the same banner. What a clueless f***ing contradictory simpleton she is.

To be fair Haslam did have an agenda and using Mozzas name specifically for that Racism event. Not sure what fiona dodwill will gain because she's hardly peddling popular opinion. She taken a bit of heat more than anything. I don't necessarily agree with all the stuff she was writing but i do think it's kinda telling that fans here will read loads of negative stuff but get angry at one person trying to say the other side of the argument.

Anyway, doesn't matters much anymore. Haslam has what he wanted and it was actually down to the statement mozza agency wrote. That gave the issue new life. Might have died down otherwise, ironically

 

[StalinsPipe]

Well, that was a quote from 1992, did you have trouble listening to his music then, too?
I think his support for For Britain is mainly a support for Anne Marie Waters, whom he likes for her feminism, anti-animal cruelty-stance, two things he's always advocated. And the anti-establishmentness of the party also helps. On similar grounds he has supported Barack Obama and Bernie Sanders but strangely enough that didn't cause a huge media stir. I believe Moz holds the same beliefs now as he's always done, and those beliefs are neither right-wing nor left-wing.

I don't even think Morrissey knows what his views are, as they're so contrarian, but he has become much more right-wing over the last couple of years.