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Discussion in 'General Discussion archive 2018 (read-only)' started by Thewlis, Jul 2, 2018.

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Discussion in 'General Discussion archive 2018 (read-only)' started by Thewlis, Jul 2, 2018.

    1. Oh my god. it's Robby!
      Oh my god. it's Robby!
      It could be calculated yes, but also I think he makes a completely stupid distinction between the USA being a land of immigrants and so trump’s anti immigrant stand is wrong. Where as him(Moz) being anti immigrant in the uk which he seems to see as some homogenous land which is a gentle blending of Celts and Anglo Saxons long ago, you know, the last truly British people you will ever know and all that garbage :rolleyes:
      But see, he’s just plain dead wrong, the British isles are ancient and have gone through an astounding number of ethnic evolutions over thousands of years, each time becoming something different, but I think retaining the best of the old, the fact that he can’t embrace that saddens me, that’s all.
      And maybe, just maybe, in the past, I just gave him to much credit cuz of his fine word play and occasional brilliant insights but in the end, he’s a an autodidact and like most of those, well, he’s got some serious intellectual blindspots.
      What I’m trying to say is I’ve decided to forgive Moz for being a bigot cuz he is one for the same reason most people are, perhaps, he’s just f**king dumb :straightface:
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    2. URBANUS
      URBANUS
      Instead of all that you can just point to the fact he is always travelling all over the world and living in far off places as well plus the fact he is a tax cheater which means there is less money to fund things that may lead to increased problems in regards to how to cope with all the immigrants. Maybe he should not only pay his staff and come out of the closet but also start paying tax in the UK if he's such a nationalist.
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    3. g23
      g23
      I agree 100%.
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    4. URBANUS
      URBANUS
      Oh for fooks sake we can't go on like this!

      LOL
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    5. g23
      g23
      No, it's the other version of you that uses the same sentence structure, fonts, and emoji placement.
      You've made it very obvious. When your boy doesn't have anything to cheerlead on, or you can't bring yourself to do it, you aim your sights on other things. Forum members, Johnny Marr, etc. And LIHS is still crap, no matter how many times your other persona tries bigging it up.
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    6. URBANUS
      URBANUS
      I was so in love that summer it gave me panic attacks so those events are just a blur to me now.
    7. Joe90
      Joe90
      Interesting video and debate. Garvey says he is a 'Black Nationalist-Pan Africanist' (like the more famous historical Marcus Garvey who led the Universal Negro Improvement Association and the 'Back-to-Africa Movement') and that he has been called a 'racist' but I guess if someone said they were a 'White Nationalist-Pan Europeanist' they would get called a 'racist' as well. Robinson says that the EDL welcomed both white and black people and Asian Sikhs (but admittedly not Muslims but they did have ex-Muslim supporters) not just white English/British people. What Garvey does say is that he is for his own black people not against white people or Jews etc.

      http://marcusgarvey.com/

      Amazing to think that the polar opposites of the Socialist Party of Great Britain used to hold debates with the British Union of Fascists at one time.

      https://www.worldsocialism.org/spgb/socialist-standard/1930s/1935/no-368-april-1935/debate-fascist

      https://www.worldsocialism.org/spgb/socialist-standard/1930s/1935/no-369-may-1935/debate-fascist-pt2

      The SPGB continue to be a unique left-wing party who reject the 'No Platform' approach of the SWP/Communists/UAF/LMHR/Antifa et al.

      https://www.worldsocialism.org/spgb/forum/general-discussion/no-no-platform


      In recent years, surprising as it may seem, the BNP/Britain First have debated with Muslims.





      It would be worth watching if BBC Newsnight got Morrissey and Dave Haslam on for a free speech debate!
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    8. Oh my god. it's Robby!
      Oh my god. it's Robby!
      It’s funny, I don’t even look at the names on the screen anymore, what a gme that was to play back in the day though huh?
      Even I use to get accused of having puppets, but no, still just Robby and will always be just Robby.
      & frankly I don’t believe Skinny has puppets either...
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    9. URBANUS
      URBANUS
      I wanna see that and Moz would be like a cat on his back and all fours in air going tickle my tummy Dave!
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    10. A scanty bit of thing
      A scanty bit of thing
      Being called dumb by you, GOTTS to be the hi-light of anybody's day.
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    11. Truth
      Truth
      It could be that Morrissey himself is practically an immigrant to the US. Because he still seems to be rich and because they know he is not a threat even when he "wishes" a President would die he's likely to still be allowed to come to the US, but it's not in his best interests to support Trump for personal reasons. If they really did crack down on travel into the US it would make Morrissey's life more difficult. And Trump is unpopular with a pretty good portion of his North American fans.
      If Hillary was President he would be speaking out against her, too. As far as his views on British politics I could only speculate. But immigration into the US is a very different thing than immigration into Britain. I think it's kind of naive of him to see some golden past slipping away. When was that exactly? What time period would he want to stop the clock in? Probably when he was young because things seem more optimistic then even if it was shit.
      All I'm saying is that I can see being anti-Trump and still supporting someone who may seem to have similar policies. Not that I agree though. I think it's like a wave going out and coming back in. Where does the wealth of England come from? It's from creating an empire and exploiting as much and as many as possible. So of course people from those countries are going to want to come and have a chance to get some of that wealth. And you can't really blame them for not wanting to fit in, for wanting to keep their own language and culture alive.
      You also can't really blame the younger people of Britain for not wanting the competition from immigrants for housing and jobs. Who benefits? The wealthy. They can raise rents on the properties they own and they can get cheap labor.
      But still it's wrong to treat all immigrants legal or not as if they are terrorists.
      With all massively divisive issues the truth is always more complicated than either side will admit.
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    12. vegan.cro spirit# 555
      vegan.cro spirit# 555

      WTF? "same sentence structure":crazy:
      You ve been reading too many Skinny SockPuppet posts. You brain is thinking the real peeps are sock puppets and the sock puppets, real peeps. You mind has gone science fiction probably listening to CALL
      the COMET:drama: music has contributed to your insanity. 99 percent of the Moz haters are in fact Skinny sock puppets and ALL pro Moz posters are decent and real contributors. FFS :tiphat:
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    13. g23
      g23
      My reputation! :lbf:

      Seriously though, he's not going to squander those reliable pesos.
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    14. g23
      g23
      I don't think he's above going anon every now and again though. We all have our tics and tells.
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    15. g23
      g23
      It was good to see your other account logged into today. It had been awhile. I'd wondered how "they" were doing.
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    16. vegan.cro spirit# 852
      vegan.cro spirit# 852
      :crazy:

      old.com is a subspecies SockPuppet of "surface" ffs. Its as clear as day.
      Sock puppets dont have the
      same 'sentence structure'.:crazy:
    17. g23
      g23
      The smart ones don't.
    18. vegan.cro spirit# 852
      vegan.cro spirit# 852
      WtF? Thats like a contradiction inside a contradiction.:crazy:
      Surface/old.com are smart? They can barely communicate.:crazy:
    19. CrystalGeezer
      CrystalGeezer
      That’s not how it works.
    20. URBANUS
      URBANUS
      I set a new world record for holding my breath when reading that wall of text. Another fooking Guinness record diploma arriving by mail.
      Yawn
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