Lost interest in Moz after seeing him and being threatened

I don't agree with the second part. He shouldn't be characterized that way; we all have different aspects of negative traits in our personality.
But bitter and vengeful as a major character trait for Moz? I don't think so. Definitely not. You are dead wrong.

You're shitting me, right??
Do you not listen to his lyrics??
I'm not saying it defines him, but Morrissey is most certainly capable of being very, very bitter and vengeful. 'Sorrow Will Come In The End', anyone?

:rolleyes:
 
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C'mon, at least admit that Morrissey is capable of coming across as bitter and vengeful. He's very good at it, and I don't think he's ever tried to hide that. Danny, you defend him to ridiculous lengths when no defense is necessary. You just have a different definition of vengeful.
 
C'mon, at least admit that Morrissey is capable of coming across as bitter and vengeful. He's very good at it, and I don't think he's ever tried to hide that. Danny, you defend him to ridiculous lengths when no defense is necessary. You just have a different definition of vengeful.

Exactly.

Vengeful could be, say, going out and killing your enemy with an axe through the head, or, vengeful could be, say, refusing to pay royalties to your ex-bandmate despite receiving a court order to do so.

Morrissey most certainly has never tried to hide this side of himself, so I don't know why people are jumping to defend him. In the Strangeways promotional interview with whats-her-face he described himself as 'bitter'. And apparantly he's also written a song or two that illustrate this.
 
I just read this entire wretched thread. To IJustAte, I offer a hearty "WAAAAHHHHHH!"

the only thing that saved me from wanting to off myself after reading all this nonsense was the Star Wars discussion. Props to Worm and whoever else that was (apologies for forgetting you, but yes HAN SHOT FIRST!)
 
i think someone should bring up that issue (his unessary rude personal bodyguards) at the true to you net questions that morrissey answers quite some time on julia`s site...the only way to get an direct reaction from him is asking him on that occasion-would be interesting ito see his reply-

...i read quitE A FEW COMMENTS FROM HIS EARLY 90TIES concertreviews
that
HE replaced THE SECURITY OF THE venue he was playing when the usual staff acts too rude WITH HIS OWN -cause they did
THE PEOPLE MUCH MORE GENTLE THEN THE USUAL security..at least back then they did

but he still seems to like having people on stage...i watched the tube clip of
first of the gang to die at hammerstein and he helped people climb onstage...si if he doesnst want that at all so why does he give them a hand?

also the famous well known
line that you should never met your heroes cause you always be dissapointed did moz state, too
at one interview at he ealry 90ties -he mentioned there his experiences meeting patti smith
and compared his personal experience with patti

with the fans who meet
him in person outside a concert cause " the only feel he feels natural is onstage. offstage i slip into a character"

another one i remember where he talked about meeting fans who knows "a great deal about him but he knows nothing about them"and that
they have a very high opion on him that
he cant live up to
and this sitation is quite an ackward situation for him.
didnt remember the complete interview ...
 
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does the majority of people really want handshakes and personal interactions? well let me tell you noone I know goes to a concert to get a handshake or a look in the eyes..... I was at a crowded house show too this year and neil finn was just great. he talked to the audience and was very friendly. what more do people want - besides good music of course? anyone who is screeching for handshakes and attention is a bit of a loony in my eyes....

but besides that, the bodyguard story is awful. how rude and arrogant! and not every celebrity would act that way - even at 4AM...


As someone has said before, your attitude has definitely done a 180 in the past few months. wow. a 'bit of a loony'? extreme, don't you think? many fans enjoy the personal contact. it's part of the experience. it doesn't make anyone loony, just human.

also, the bodyguard's actions weren't awful, just necessary. how do you know every celebrity wouldn't act that way? yeah, maybe hall and oates or vanilla ice wouldn't, but most bona fide celebrities, such as Moz, like to protect themselves from what could be a very bad situation with an overzealous fan -- especially the breed of fan that would wait for him or her at 4 am.
 
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As someone has said before, your attitude has definitely done a 180 in the past few months. wow. a 'bit of a loony'? extreme, don't you think? many fans enjoy the personal contact. it's part of the experience. it doesn't make anyone loony, just human.

:confused: That's what I thought. Isn't that one of the things that sets Moz apart from any other artist? That he seems to take a real interest in as many fans as he can so to speak, having that visual contact and making each one of us feel like he's speaking to each one of us individually (that is also mixed in with that connection we each feel with him)....instead of as one big group of people he could care less about??
Maybe my opinion wasn't needed, but those are just my thoughts...:)

And as for the experience of Moz at 4 in the morning....he's only human like everyone else has said. You can't expect him or anyone else traveling with him to be a happy, chipper chicken, when they probably haven't gotten much sleep in the last 24 hours...if any at all.
And like Musings said, he never really knows what to expect between one or the next person that adores him that comes in contact with him.
And 4 in the morning, a bit unreasonable, no?
 
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The original poster's story definitely seems to have a lot of holes in it, but I can't confirm or deny the details since I wasn't there. I've waited around a lot of theater stage doors, gone to organized instore signings, etc. to see my favorite artists (have yet to meet Mr. Moz) but even for someone like myself who's hobby is to get pics with favorite celebrities, I have NEVER waited around at the wee hours like that for anybody.

That in itself might've creeped out Moz and his security staff. Because I wouldn't feel too safe either walking into a hotel lobby being a celebrity and seeing a lone fan there at 3, 4 AM. You say you're not creepy looking and I'm sure you're not but was Mark David Chapman creepy looking or any other famous serial killer or celebrity stalker? No...

On the other side of the coin though, I've also come across asshole security people over the years. One of the worst being when I saw Flava Flav who the only reason I got a pic with him was for my sister who loves his reality show and she couldn't be there. It was at an organized Halloween party for a local radio show in NYC last year so the place was already pretty well secured. However, his security people gave me a hard time about going back to my table because it was in the section where he and his posse were, and when I did get a picture with him, Mr. Flav started talking to me and the security guard got annoyed and said "we have other people waiting" and they started to escort me away. Flava Flav saw this though and even stuck UP for me, saying "I was talkin' to her", but they wouldn't even listen to him.

I NEVER want to take up celebrities' time EVER as I know my time with them is precious and I don't want to piss them off and I know if there's other fans waiting to see that person I want them to have a chance and even offer to take photos for them. I've always been gracious and sharing about that.

So I don't know if Morrissey had an issue with this guard yelling at you, and if he did really say what he said I'd say that's a little out of line. Maybe it was just his way of wielding his "power" around too or trying to be funny. Maybe he and Moz chuckled about it in his room afterwards who the hell knows? But standing around in a empty hotel lobby to see someone famous? Not cool dude....And for those who don't believe the Flava Flav story, here's the pic to prove it: http://www.flickr.com/photos/melissay1/285978621/in/set-72157600016905318/
 
mhhh - well I have no need to feel "special" at a concert. I don't understand this need at all. I go there to see my favourite musicians but never in a million years would I succomb to the illusion that they actually see me, care about me, talk to me or whatever else. I am aware of the fact that I am paying audience.....and that's all I really want to be, as a matter of fact.

well, I never meant it to sound like there is a need to feel special.
But you have to know that there is some measure of care from him towards the people that love him....even if it's the smallest minutest measure, it's there, and that's what counts.

Anyways, your opinion is yours and mine, mine. :)
 
I'm gonna try to forget this. Most of the time I feel lucky I'll never get to see him live, or up close. I'd die if that happens to me. I couldn't even afford to lose interest in him, he's everything for me. And I KNOW I wouldn't have a nice experience, I know how the universe feels about me, so I'm better off far away.
I'm sorry for you. I don't think you're lying or disguising anything, if you were a criminal trying to bite his ear off you wouldn't be
1)crushed
2)writing about the whole thing here
 
Ok, let me tell you something, bro: you are way out of line, here. Your story is crazy.

I met him! And it was, literally, the most beautiful, moving, and breathtaking moment of my life: the generosity of his gesture was overwhelming, and beautiful.

Now THAT is crazy or you've lived rather a dull life :eek:
 
I don't think you know what vengeful means. I think to be judged a vengeful person you've got to do a bit more than write a nasty song about someone. (Perhaps dragging a man's family into an argument and stopping them from ever being able to sell their houses and move on because he didn't pay you the money a court awarded you might count.)

And I think we'd all be a tad bitter if we'd been singled out and had our name dragged through the mud simply because of a business disagreement.

So you're agreeing with me then?! :D
 
The night before the Merillville show, I was staying at the Courtyard Marriott, and when i was checking in, Kristeen Young was standing in front of me. I overheard her saying she was part of a "big group" that would be coming in later in the night. So I decided to stay up and wait for this big group, thinking maybe there was a small chance I could catch a glimpse of Morrissey (and who knows, maybe an autograph?)

So I waited in the hotel lobby from about 12:30 until 3:30 AM, when I finally saw a tour bus pull up. I got a little excited, but still had my doubts about whether he would actually be there, or just his crew/band.

After a couple minutes, a couple guys got off the bus and went to the front desk to check in. The hotel lobby was completely empty except for me, so I pretended to be using the computer so I didn't look "suspicious." :)

The guys went back to the bus after checking in, and a few minutes later, one of them walks back off the bus, with none other than Morrissey! I saw them start to walk through the front door of the hotel, so i got up from my seat and slowly & cautiously started walking toward them. I got about 10 feet away from Morrissey, and I guess he saw me out of the corner of his eye, so he glanced in my direction, then immediately looked away when he realized i was a fan. Then his bodyguard (the "porn-star" looking guy) also noticed me, and gave me a dirty look. Then they continued to walk up the steps (which were located in the lobby.

I was disappointed of course, but not necessarily surprised. I gave up, and stayed down in the lobby as I watched Morrissey and the bodyguard ascend the stairs, then walked down the hallway at the top of the stairs (it was a balcony that overlooked the lobby). I didn't say a word to him, i just watched him from a distance. At this point, out of nowhere, the bodyguard looks down at me again and yells "I WILL KNOCK YOU OUT!!!", while Morrissey continued to walk several feet in front of him, obviously aware of what was going on but continued to look straight ahead. I just stood there, speechless, until they were out of sight.

At this point, I decided to walk up the steps and walk in the direction they were walking (that was the same direction as my hotel room anyways). As i turned the corner in the hallway, I heard a door close, then his bodyguard started walking toward me. He stopped me in the hall and said "what do you want???" i said "i was hoping to maybe get a picture with him." he said "no. no way. not at 4 in the morning." i said "ok, alright" and tried to walk to my room, but he was still blocking me. so I said "my room is down this hall" and he finally let me pass.

The whole situation has made me lose a lot of respect for Moz, though. Yes, I'm aware that he is a celebrity, and has been a celebrity for 25 years. I know he probably has fans trying to approach him on an almost daily basis, and I know it probably gets exhausting. I was not expecting him to stop and say hi to me or sign an autograph or take a picture; i was just hoping that maybe he would. But honestly i would not have been upset with him if he had simply looked at me and walked past me. I understand he can't stop for every fan that approaches him, and i would never hold that against him.

What DID bother me, though, is how his bodyguard (who, in a way, represents Moz), could say something so rude and violent to me, and Morrissey didn't give a sh*t. Here i am, a fan of 10 years, standing in an otherwise-vacant hotel lobby, doing nothing more than standing and watching my idol walk past me and ignoring me. I don't look like a freak or anything.. i just look like a normal, skinny, 26-year old guy standing there by myself holding a copy of Bona Drag and a pen. I didn't say anything to him, i didn't bombard him, I didn't do anything that could be perceived as threatening. And after you consider all this, it didn't bother Morrissey one bit that his bodyguard threatened his fan with physical violence for no reason whatsoever.

The first time I saw Morrissey (I drove 20 hours across the country to see him play in Denver in 2002), he stopped in the middle of a song to yell at the security guards who were being too rough with a fan trying to get on stage. 5 years later, he's employing a bodyguard who threatens a harmless fan with violence and it doesn't bother him at all.

I've been a die-hard fan for about 9 or 10 years now, and have spent a ridiculous amount of time and money on this man. I've seen him 7 times now (in 6 different cities), bought all of his records/singles, read hundreds of news articles/interviews with him, memorized his lyrics, introduced friends to his music... and then I finally see him in person and not only does he ignore me (which alone doesn't bother me), but he allows his bodyguard to be unnecessarily rude, violent, and disrepectful to me. The whole situation was just a huge turnoff.

You read his lyrics, and his interviews, and see him perform, and you get the impression that he is a sensitive, loving, peaceful, gentle man who cares about his fans and despises hatred and violence. But maybe that's just how he pretends to be when he has a large audience. I can understand being rude to me if i was a paparazzi, or if i was acting crazy and invading his space.. but I wasn't. I just stood there.

Maybe I'm being too sensitive, I don't know. But it just seemed really, really rude to treat a fan like that.

But I still went to the concert, and even though I had front row seats (which I've never had before), I just couldn't enjoy it as much as all the other shows I've been to. I tried listening to Your Arsenal on the way home, and I couldn't enjoy that the same way I used to either. Maybe I'll get over it eventually, but for now, I'm not the fan I used to be. It's kind of depressing.



hate to break it to you, but famous people don't give a shit about you, and why should they, they don't know you and don't need you (individually). As long as enough people keep buying their stuff they're happy. And the fact that people claim to "love" him on these forums is just sick in the head. You don't know the man. Get a real life.
 
I've followed Morrissey since the very beginning and I can't think of anything I'd less rather do than meet him. Why take the risk he's unpleasant? I'll stick with the music and the odd gig and the memory and fiction of him in my head thanks. 25 years has been invested in his mythos and I wouldn't want it soiled in a nanosecond.

The erudite charming man in my head could not really be equalled and there would always be the nagging horror that instead of the scintillating genius I think he is - and most evidence points to - he would be the embarrassing, stuttering bore who was interviewed on Jonathan Ross a couple of years back.

The Morrissey we have created may or may not exist but he's the guy we spend our money on and the best place to maintain that is to not let the light in on what may be an ugly reality. I saw him once in Reading town centre (around the time of Ouija Board, produced a few miles out of town) and watched him wander by and never thought for a moment of interrupting him. When he wants my involvement in his life he'll release an album or plan some tour dates. Until then our paths will not cross and I would guess we are both the happier for it.
 
^^^^
Well said Augustus. With the highest of expectations I have place on Moz, he would never come close to fulfilling them. Better to keep up the glorious image and at the same time leave this man alone to write songs, live life and re-energize so he can tour again.
 
he would be the embarrassing, stuttering bore who was interviewed on Jonathan Ross a couple of years back.
:eek:
If that was the 2004 interview, I thought he was cute,funny an sincere :rolleyes:
 
I'm not sure I'd want to meet Morrissey. What if he burped? What would I do? The Morrissey in my head doesn't burp.
 
I'm not sure I'd want to meet Morrissey. What if he burped? What would I do? The Morrissey in my head doesn't burp.

Uh,
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