Lost interest in Moz after seeing him and being threatened

IJustAte

New Member
The night before the Merillville show, I was staying at the Courtyard Marriott, and when i was checking in, Kristeen Young was standing in front of me. I overheard her saying she was part of a "big group" that would be coming in later in the night. So I decided to stay up and wait for this big group, thinking maybe there was a small chance I could catch a glimpse of Morrissey (and who knows, maybe an autograph?)

So I waited in the hotel lobby from about 12:30 until 3:30 AM, when I finally saw a tour bus pull up. I got a little excited, but still had my doubts about whether he would actually be there, or just his crew/band.

After a couple minutes, a couple guys got off the bus and went to the front desk to check in. The hotel lobby was completely empty except for me, so I pretended to be using the computer so I didn't look "suspicious." :)

The guys went back to the bus after checking in, and a few minutes later, one of them walks back off the bus, with none other than Morrissey! I saw them start to walk through the front door of the hotel, so i got up from my seat and slowly & cautiously started walking toward them. I got about 10 feet away from Morrissey, and I guess he saw me out of the corner of his eye, so he glanced in my direction, then immediately looked away when he realized i was a fan. Then his bodyguard (the "porn-star" looking guy) also noticed me, and gave me a dirty look. Then they continued to walk up the steps (which were located in the lobby.

I was disappointed of course, but not necessarily surprised. I gave up, and stayed down in the lobby as I watched Morrissey and the bodyguard ascend the stairs, then walked down the hallway at the top of the stairs (it was a balcony that overlooked the lobby). I didn't say a word to him, i just watched him from a distance. At this point, out of nowhere, the bodyguard looks down at me again and yells "I WILL KNOCK YOU OUT!!!", while Morrissey continued to walk several feet in front of him, obviously aware of what was going on but continued to look straight ahead. I just stood there, speechless, until they were out of sight.

At this point, I decided to walk up the steps and walk in the direction they were walking (that was the same direction as my hotel room anyways). As i turned the corner in the hallway, I heard a door close, then his bodyguard started walking toward me. He stopped me in the hall and said "what do you want???" i said "i was hoping to maybe get a picture with him." he said "no. no way. not at 4 in the morning." i said "ok, alright" and tried to walk to my room, but he was still blocking me. so I said "my room is down this hall" and he finally let me pass.

The whole situation has made me lose a lot of respect for Moz, though. Yes, I'm aware that he is a celebrity, and has been a celebrity for 25 years. I know he probably has fans trying to approach him on an almost daily basis, and I know it probably gets exhausting. I was not expecting him to stop and say hi to me or sign an autograph or take a picture; i was just hoping that maybe he would. But honestly i would not have been upset with him if he had simply looked at me and walked past me. I understand he can't stop for every fan that approaches him, and i would never hold that against him.

What DID bother me, though, is how his bodyguard (who, in a way, represents Moz), could say something so rude and violent to me, and Morrissey didn't give a sh*t. Here i am, a fan of 10 years, standing in an otherwise-vacant hotel lobby, doing nothing more than standing and watching my idol walk past me and ignoring me. I don't look like a freak or anything.. i just look like a normal, skinny, 26-year old guy standing there by myself holding a copy of Bona Drag and a pen. I didn't say anything to him, i didn't bombard him, I didn't do anything that could be perceived as threatening. And after you consider all this, it didn't bother Morrissey one bit that his bodyguard threatened his fan with physical violence for no reason whatsoever.

The first time I saw Morrissey (I drove 20 hours across the country to see him play in Denver in 2002), he stopped in the middle of a song to yell at the security guards who were being too rough with a fan trying to get on stage. 5 years later, he's employing a bodyguard who threatens a harmless fan with violence and it doesn't bother him at all.

I've been a die-hard fan for about 9 or 10 years now, and have spent a ridiculous amount of time and money on this man. I've seen him 7 times now (in 6 different cities), bought all of his records/singles, read hundreds of news articles/interviews with him, memorized his lyrics, introduced friends to his music... and then I finally see him in person and not only does he ignore me (which alone doesn't bother me), but he allows his bodyguard to be unnecessarily rude, violent, and disrepectful to me. The whole situation was just a huge turnoff.

You read his lyrics, and his interviews, and see him perform, and you get the impression that he is a sensitive, loving, peaceful, gentle man who cares about his fans and despises hatred and violence. But maybe that's just how he pretends to be when he has a large audience. I can understand being rude to me if i was a paparazzi, or if i was acting crazy and invading his space.. but I wasn't. I just stood there.

Maybe I'm being too sensitive, I don't know. But it just seemed really, really rude to treat a fan like that.

But I still went to the concert, and even though I had front row seats (which I've never had before), I just couldn't enjoy it as much as all the other shows I've been to. I tried listening to Your Arsenal on the way home, and I couldn't enjoy that the same way I used to either. Maybe I'll get over it eventually, but for now, I'm not the fan I used to be. It's kind of depressing.
 

Vauxhall95

I Know It's Over...
If it makes you feel better, I was lambasted on this forum because I gave a scathing review of his bodyguard's conduct at the 2007 Phoenix show. They were straight up assholes, making a point of beating the shit out of a 90 pound girl who was trying to make it on stage. Did it influence my opinion of Morrissey, somewhat. I still got a handshake out of the show (which was awesome), but I wish his security would lighten up. They seem to make it a point of pride in being assholes.

On the flip side of the coin, 4am in a hotel lobby. The man is human (last I checked) and probably just wanted some sleep. It doesn't excuse the behavior of his underlings but don't stop listening to him because of some roided out freak...
 

Bianca

New Member
Ha, and if it was me I would have cussed the big security guy out.
Or at least told him to calm the f*** down.
But I'm also a small 19 yr. old girl, I boubt he would have actually put a finger on me.
 

IJustAte

New Member
trust me, I've taken into account that it was the middle of the night, he had just got done playing a show and then driving several hours to the hotel. I'm sure he was tired, which is why I didn't expect him to stop for me, and which is why i kept my distance. What bothers me is how he could continue to employ this bodyguard when he treats fans like this. This isn't just a random security guard; this is Moz's personal bodyguard that follows him around the country on tour. So for him to treat me that way, in my opinion, it was the same as if Morrissey had said it himself. I know the fame must be stressful after all these years, but i still can't find any excuse to treat your supporters so rudely.
 
That is really harsh; I can't imagine Morrissey would ever be happy with that sort of behaviour from a crew member, as I know he and the band have had other's sacked for much less. I realise he must have fears about being the next Lennon and employ very threatening bodyguards accordingly, but maybe keep a look out to see if that guy is still with him in future. They should be able to tell the difference between a stalker and an ordinary fan.
I'm not sure which bodyguard you mean but I know that one who regularly tours with him in the UK is a really sound bloke. He won't take any crap mind, but if you're courteous to him he's accomodating back. I can only presume this guy is someone different.
 

IJustAte

New Member
Bianca - I doubt he would've actually "knocked me out" either.. i'm sure it was an empty threat just to scare me off. But it's still rude, disrespectful, and unnecessary.

I thought about saying something back.. but to be honest, I was a little embarrassed after he yelled at me like that. Even though there wasn't anyone around except the desk clerk, it still made me feel like crap and i didn't want to cause more of a scene.
 
Your shirt didn't have this on it, did it?

If so, then the guard was entirely justified! :p
 

WinkWink

Banned
morrissey is not going to scold his security and tell them how to do their job. I'm sure he's had plenty of bodyguards in the past and knows this is simply how they behave. They need to act tough so the word gets out that security is tough. IF they were soft and nice, there would have been ten of you at 4 am in the morning.

and so i'm sure both morrissey and the security were equally annoyed at having a fan stalk him in the lobby at 4am (yes, that's what you were doing).


Hey, I'm sure Elvis and Frank Sinatra had security that would take you out back and kick your ass. Maybe drop off your body in the desert somewhere....(edit)unless you are a pretty girl in a skirt.
 
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IJustAte

New Member
That is really harsh; I can't imagine Morrissey would ever be happy with that sort of behaviour from a crew member, as I know he and the band have had other's sacked for much less. I realise he must have fears about being the next Lennon and employ very threatening bodyguards accordingly, but maybe keep a look out to see if that guy is still with him in future. They should be able to tell the difference between a stalker and an ordinary fan.
I'm not sure which bodyguard you mean but I know that one who regularly tours with him in the UK is a really sound bloke. He won't take any crap mind, but if you're courteous to him he's accomodating back. I can only presume this guy is someone different.
From the past few shows i've been to, i've noticed 2 different bodyguards who are always there. One is bald and heavyset with glasses (Arturo?) and the other (the one who yelled at me) is a normal sized guy with a porn-star moustache/goatee sort of thing. During the shows, you can see them, one on each side of the stage, hiding behind the speaker, ready to tackle stage invaders. I've seen people on this website complain about them before, so this isn't really anything new. It's just a lot different when it actually happens to you.
 

Danny

Senior Member
I wouldn't excuse anyone of threatening behaviour, though it's pretty clear from your story that nothing actually happened to you.

To be honest I don't think you are telling the whole truth. I don't think your behaviour was quite as innocent as you are pretending. Certainly following someone to their hotel room at 4 o clock in the morning with pen and cd in hand is a bit out of order. From your story it is obvious from Morrissey's body language that he didn't want to know, yet you still followed him to his room.
 

moz'art girl

oh la la
Oh, it must have been so hurtful! I am sad for you, it must have been a very hard and, hem, humiliating moment.
Maybe Mozzie was ashamed, probably very tired, and did not feel like to say anything. It does not mean he was not shocked. (he is afraid of his bodyguard, perhaps :rolleyes:) Maybe he told him after, that his behaviour was not very nice.
I think it is easier for him to shout at securities at concerts, because he does not know them...:cool:
 
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Worm

Taste the diffidence
Sorry, but I don't see anything wrong with what Morrissey or his bodyguard did. It wasn't just late-- it was 3:30 in the morning. Not surprisingly, he didn't want to be bothered and, as you describe, you were given a clear signal to that effect. Then you followed them anyway and got threatened. Seems reasonable to me.

I'm not an expert on bodyguards but I'm guessing they deliberately overreact to situations like this in order to snuff them out before they even get going. The guy blew up and stopped you in your tracks, which was his intention. Probably standard for all bodyguards in circumstances that are slightly unusual-- that is, not fans on the street in the middle of the day but a guy following him in a hotel lobby at 3:30 am.

It's a shame you didn't enjoy the show, but I think if you reflect on Morrissey's treatment of his fans over the years you'd probably have to concede that he is far more accommodating than not. You picked a bad time to approach him, that's all.
 

kill_uncle

Member
Wow that was wrong of the bodyguard.Its too bad that this happened and ruined the show for you.

I would have also been upset,but i probably would said something back to the idiot.
 

IJustAte

New Member
I wouldn't excuse anyone of threatening behaviour, though it's pretty clear from your story that nothing actually happened to you.

To be honest I don't think you are telling the whole truth. I don't think your behaviour was quite as innocent as you are pretending. Certainly following someone to their hotel room at 4 o clock in the morning with pen and cd in hand is a bit out of order. From your story it is obvious from Morrissey's body language that he didn't want to know, yet you still followed him to his room.
no, i promise you i'm not leaving anything out or exaggerating anything. as soon as morrissey looked at me and ignored me, i stopped and gave up. and i never intended to follow him to his room. i waited until they had walked down the hall, then i walked up the stairs toward my room, which happened to be down the hall from his.

I assure you, i gave up my mission the second he walked past me, and didn't follow him at all. i was well aware that it was 3:30 am, which is why i was extra careful to respect his privacy and keep my distance.
 

PregnantForTheLastTime

Hideous trait.
Uh... it was nearly 4 am. Morrissey saw you, but didn't invite contact. The bodyguard (that was Eddie) told you no.

No means no. Don't feel badly about it, but seriously, what did you expect? At 4 am?
 

Danny

Senior Member
no, i promise you i'm not leaving anything out or exaggerating anything. as soon as morrissey looked at me and ignored me, i stopped and gave up. and i never intended to follow him to his room. i waited until they had walked down the hall, then i walked up the stairs toward my room, which happened to be down the hall from his.

I assure you, i gave up my mission the second he walked past me, and didn't follow him at all. i was well aware that it was 3:30 am, which is why i was extra careful to respect his privacy and keep my distance.

Now I know you are lying. You should get your story straight. First you say you followed him to his room and had a conversation with the bodyguard about getting a picture with Morrissey, then you say you were only going to your room and it was a coincidence it was in the same area as Morrissey's.

It's really a bit dim to change your story in mid thread! ;)
 
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