Linder on Morrissey in Guardian (18/01/2020)

A very nice interview with Linder Sterling in today’s The Guardian:

How the artist Linder went from Orgasm Addict to Chatsworth House - Observer Design

Excerpt:

She also became known as Morrissey’s muse and went on to photograph him extensively in the early 90s as he toured the US. “We shared the same taste, liked the same books,” she says. “We shared a house for a brief period in Whalley Range – it was a red-light district then.” With his counterintuitive views on the far-right For Britain party, Morrissey is a touchy subject these days, but Linder is loyal. “We’ve always disagreed,” she says. “It’s a healthy disagreement, the sort that comes with unconditional love.”

Just a shame about the unnecessary framing, The Guardian.

 

[Deleted member 29417]

So their can be militant Islam but not militant Jews?
anti-Semitism is a term coined about 100 years ago and people still don't even know what a Semite is. That word is meaningless

The etymology doesn't matter, everyone uses it to mean people of the Jewish faith & they've been treated as an ethnic group, so that's what they are.

Nobody reasonable thinks that any faith or ideology isn't capable of having a militant side. Even Buddhism has militants.

Also I have no idea why a Morrissey fan would be obsessed with Jewish people, bearing in mind everyone he's managed to get his name linked to from Tommy Robinson to Anne Marie is supposedly being paid by Israel. He's played in Israel. Written songs about it. And from what I can glean appears to have had a crush on an Israeli actor.

 

[Verso]

This is Linder being diplomatic. They're very old friends and their bond is reflective of that. I know the Sterlings and have asked asked what Linder thinks of Morrissey's recent political "awakening" and was told that it is the perpetual, depressing elephant in the room.

 

[Anonymous]

Unconditional love. That's the only way. I'm left wing, but I wish some of the left wing people would be more loving in an unconditional way.

 

[Pippistrella]

This is Linder being diplomatic. They're very old friends and their bond is reflective of that. I know the Sterlings and have asked asked what Linder thinks of Morrissey's recent political "awakening" and was told that it is the perpetual, depressing elephant in the room.

Truth is the new hate speech.

Orwell predicted this state of affairs.

 

[GodEmperorMorrissey]

The etymology doesn't matter, everyone uses it to mean people of the Jewish faith & they've been treated as an ethnic group, so that's what they are.

Nobody reasonable thinks that any faith or ideology isn't capable of having a militant side. Even Buddhism has militants.

Also I have no idea why a Morrissey fan would be obsessed with Jewish people, bearing in mind everyone he's managed to get his name linked to from Tommy Robinson to Anne Marie is supposedly being paid by Israel. He's played in Israel. Written songs about it. And from what I can glean appears to have had a crush on an Israeli actor.

Interesting they can be both an ethnic group and a religion but that aside, nobody here is obsessed with Jews except maybe the guy going on about anti-Semitism and racism constantly. You don't know what a Semite is and the "anti- is a trigger word used to blanket cover any criticism a person might have of Israel government or their culture. I wish them well however you keep promoting these buzzwords

 

[Deleted member 29417]

Interesting they can be both an ethnic group and a religion but that aside, nobody here is obsessed with Jews except maybe the guy going on about anti-Semitism and racism constantly. You don't know what a Semite is and the "anti- is a trigger word used to blanket cover any criticism a person might have of Israel government or their culture. I wish them well however you keep promoting these buzzwords

It's easy to criticize the Israeli government without being racist. Some people do have an irrational hatred of Jewish people & some people repeat racist things unwittingly.

Conspiracy theories are the worst because the person may be convinced they're true & can be quite resistant to facts because they believe you're part of the conspiracy.

 

[Deleted member 29417]

Truth is the new hate speech.

Orwell predicted this state of affairs.

It depends how true it actually is, how much context is being missed out & what you want people to do because of it.

 

[Verso]

Truth is the new hate speech.

Orwell predicted this state of affairs.

Wow, are you saying that the current state of affairs is reminiscent of 1984? My god, what incredible insight. I've never heard anyone make that observation before. Are you available for a lecture tour?

 

[Verso]

Interesting they can be both an ethnic group and a religion but that aside, nobody here is obsessed with Jews except maybe the guy going on about anti-Semitism and racism constantly. You don't know what a Semite is and the "anti- is a trigger word used to blanket cover any criticism a person might have of Israel government or their culture. I wish them well however you keep promoting these buzzwords

This is only something that a true moron could conjure up after having their brain fried from reading too many Breitbart articles. If you're honestly arguing semantics about the etymology of the word, then you've nullified your opinion from the get-go. Did you know that the word nauseous actually means "to inspire nausea" yet a sick person will usually say "I feel nauseous" rather than the linguistically-correct "I feel nauseated." Language is fluid, it's constantly evolving and arguments to the contrary are usually made in bad faith.

 

[Pippistrella]

It depends how true it actually is, how much context is being missed out & what you want people to do because of it.

All Morrissey's so-called controversial comments are true.

Morrissey even criticised Live Aid back in the day when it was extremely unfashionable to do so - and now we have a situation where we have helped the lives and health of Africans so much that they are to have a population explosion by tripling in number by 2100.

Us Europeans are the only race in the world that by 2100 will actually be lower in population. In other words we are dying out.

This is according to Chris Packham and an official graph of predicted figures in his latest Radio Times interview (in case you think I'm citing right wing propaganda).

Moz is also correct on mass immigration. It is never a good thing. Irish people were forced to emigrate to England and America around the Famine and also in the 50s and 60s. They were not welcomed and had to work extremely hard on building sites and the roads etc. Now Ireland has half the population it had 150 years ago because of immigration and the EU/UN globalist capitalists are filling it with every race imaginable to the point that it will soon have a minority indigenous population - which will destroy its culture and character.

This is why immigration is a bad thing. That's the bare truth minus the propaganda. And Morrissey has not been afraid to say this.

The media berates him for these views because they are a capitalist network (even the lefties like the Guardian are strictly faux socialists). Actual nobodies who berate him on social media should sit down and understand that mass immigration is a capitalist idea and brings more harm than good in the long run.

 

[Pippistrella]

Wow, are you saying that the current state of affairs is reminiscent of 1984? My god, what incredible insight. I've never heard anyone make that observation before. Are you available for a lecture tour?

The point is not whether you've heard it before, but if you agree with it.

Why would speaking the truth as you see it be an embarrassing 'elephant in the room'?

 

[Verso]

The point is not whether you've heard it before, but if you agree with it.

The point is that you trot-out the hackneyed insight of a typical high school student and act as though it cuts to the core of a issue that's much more nuanced than you give it credit for.

 

[Anonymous]

Unconditional love. That's the only way. I'm left wing, but I wish some of the left wing people would be more loving in an unconditional way.

LOL, just like the right wing are so loving towards everyone!

 

[GodEmperorMorrissey]

This is only something that a true moron could conjure up after having their brain fried from reading too many Breitbart articles. If you're honestly arguing semantics about the etymology of the word, then you've nullified your opinion from the get-go. Did you know that the word nauseous actually means "to inspire nausea" yet a sick person will usually say "I feel nauseous" rather than the linguistically-correct "I feel nauseated." Language is fluid, it's constantly evolving and arguments to the contrary are usually made in bad faith.

You didn't even know the word etymology until Nerak posted it. You're a troll that keeps trolling my posts while I'm having an an honest response to Nerak, you're just trying to get attention. Go in peace

 

[Verso]

You didn't even know the word etymology until Nerak posted it. You're a troll that keeps trolling my posts while I'm having an an honest response to Nerak, you're just trying to get attention. Go in peace

Imagine thinking 'etymology' is a big word. Don't you have another thread to be laughed out of?

 

[Deleted member 29417]

This is Linder being diplomatic. They're very old friends and their bond is reflective of that. I know the Sterlings and have asked asked what Linder thinks of Morrissey's recent political "awakening" and was told that it is the perpetual, depressing elephant in the room.

They're in the arts. You'd assume that.

But, in private, he's not the only one. He's just the only one who has gone so far so publicly. Most people are lurking around The Spectator & Titania McGrath plausible deniability level. Though one famous BBC hack has been so close to The Great Replacement theory that I'm amazed he's getting away with it.

 

[Pippistrella]

The point is that you trot-out the hackneyed insight of a typical high school student and act as though it cuts to the core of a issue that's much more nuanced than you give it credit for.

In a way you're right. I am like a high school student in that I see every day as educational. I'm the opposite of jaded (like you). I like to see things afresh. To me citing Orwell's foresight is not a silly cliche that gets thrown out there parrot-style. It's an extraordinarily accurate line of thinking that I find remarkable the more I dwell on it.

 

[GodEmperorMorrissey]

It's easy to criticize the Israeli government without being racist. Some people do have an irrational hatred of Jewish people & some people repeat racist things unwittingly.



Conspiracy theories are the worst because the person may be convinced they're true & can be quite resistant to facts because they believe you're part of the conspiracy.

"Conspiracy theories are the worst". What does that even mean? That literally makes no sense. Again, using buzzwords to shut down critical thinking. Still interestingy you say Jews are a race AND religion. Again, I haven't encountered anyone in this forum who hates Jews yet you throw that nonsense term around in nearly ever thread, just stop.

 

[Pippistrella]

They're in the arts. You'd assume that.

But, in private, he's not the only one. He's just the only one who has gone so far so publicly. Most people are lurking around The Spectator & Titania McGrath plausible deniability level. Though one famous BBC hack has been so close to The Great Replacement theory that I'm amazed he's getting away with it.

The Great Replacement is not a theory. The UN invented the term on an official paper about 'replacement migration'. I've actually heard pro-migration NGOs say that places like Ireland need 'youthful African energy'.

I know for a fact that when I die a foreign family will be living and breeding in my house. That's replacement.

 

[Verso]

"Conspiracy theories are the worst". What does that even mean? That literally makes no sense. Again, using buzzwords to shut down critical thinking. Still interestingy you say Jews are a race AND religion. Again, I haven't encountered anyone in this forum who hates Jews yet you throw that nonsense term around in nearly ever thread, just stop.

Referring to whatever it is that churns around that brain of yours as "critical thinking" is a bit too generous. No one is trying to shut anything down, but if you think that your particular brand of stupidity should be immune to criticism, then you should probably run back to one of the other right-wing forums where you get a little pat on the head from your buddies for droning on and on about whatever it is you're upset about.