MESSAGES FROM MORRISSEY - MORRISSEY CENTRAL - KAREN CARPENTER WAS OBVIOUSLY A GENIUS
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I am good fun at parties but tend to stay away from taking the piss out of people with mental illnesses.
Steve looks great. Hope he's getting some rest.But calling a 61 year old man who is known to suffer from depression (a mental illness) "a bloated whale" although he doesn't actually look like a bloated whale is okay?
Nostalgia, mostly. Karen Carpenter jokes were all the rage when I was growing up in the 80’s.
Q: Why did Karen Carpenter shoot her dog?
A: It kept trying to bury her.
I knew about Karen Carpenter from jokes about her years before I ever actually heard any of her music (which I actually quite like).
This could be in response to Andy Rourke's Twitter post about Karen Carpenter.
Andy Rourke does loving tributes to Karen Carpenter (who died on 4th February 1983 at the young age of 32) and Denise Johnson. Yet there is no mention of the beautiful Elizabeth Anne Dwyer Morrissey's beloved mother who has died recently. Elizabeth Anne Dwyer was beautiful both inside and out.
If it wasn't for Elizabeth Anne Dwyer Andy Rourke wouldn't have the career he has today. Andy Rourke probably never met Karen Carpenter or saw her live in concert. Yet Andy Rourke must of met Elizabeth Anne Dwyer loads of times and known her on a personal level and still no tribute to her.
Also where are the tributes to Elizabeth Anne Dwyer from Johnny Marr, Mike Joyce and the other EX-Morrissey musicians? Someone said Alain Whyte did a tribute but I couldn't see it on his Twitter page.
Why did Johnny Marr's son Nile Marr do that horrible t-shirt post thing about Morissey? That is very insensitive and horrible Morrissey is grieving at the moment.
This could be in response to Andy Rourke's Twitter post about Karen Carpenter.
Andy Rourke does loving tributes to Karen Carpenter (who died on 4th February 1983 at the young age of 32) and Denise Johnson. Yet there is no mention of the beautiful Elizabeth Anne Dwyer Morrissey's beloved mother who has died recently. Elizabeth Anne Dwyer was beautiful both inside and out.
If it wasn't for Elizabeth Anne Dwyer Andy Rourke wouldn't have the career he has today. Andy Rourke probably never met Karen Carpenter or saw her live in concert. Yet Andy Rourke must of met Elizabeth Anne Dwyer loads of times and known her on a personal level and still no tribute to her.
Also where are the tributes to Elizabeth Anne Dwyer from Johnny Marr, Mike Joyce and the other EX-Morrissey musicians? Someone said Alain Whyte did a tribute but I couldn't see it on his Twitter page.
Why did Johnny Marr's son Nile Marr do that horrible t-shirt post thing about Morissey? That is very insensitive and horrible Morrissey is grieving at the moment.
Agree, Andy and Johnny knew each other so no idea why Elizabeth would have any impact on him being in the Smiths.Andy has the career he has now because he is an amazing bass player. And he got the opportunity to play with the Smiths because Johnny knew Andy is a great musician who would contribute to the sound of the Smiths. Who can tell his success is thanks to Morrissey's mother? That's absurd, even distorted view on reality.
Quite. Making fun of people's obesity is never nice, is it? Can you remember who said this..."although given her 78% pork girth it could take nine wielding axemen and at least six daylight hours to finish her off."But calling a 61 year old man who is known to suffer from depression (a mental illness) "a bloated whale" although he doesn't actually look like a bloated whale is okay?
Agree, Andy and Johnny knew each other so no idea why Elizabeth would have any impact on him being in the Smiths.
Sooo... because he made a nasty comment it's okay to call him names?Quite. Making fun of people's obesity is never nice, is it? Can you remember who said this..."although given her 78% pork girth it could take nine wielding axemen and at least six daylight hours to finish her off."
You don't get it, do you? You don't get to pontificate on others' indiscretions if the person you're trying to defend is themselves guilty of the same thing. Will you literally call black white in defence of this bloke?Sooo... because he made a nasty comment it's okay to call him names?
I never defended Morrissey's comment. Why would I? I don't think it's an acceptable thing to say.You don't get it, do you? You don't get to pontificate on others' indiscretions if the person you're trying to defend is themselves guilty of the same thing. Will you literally call black white in defence of this bloke?
I don't think there's anyone who don't know that. First of all, it's Johnny who recruited the members and made the Smiths. Even if she had given birth to Morrissey, there still might not have been the Smiths. The implication that 'Andy owe his success to the Smiths that is Morrissey' is absurd itself too. The Smiths was not like Wham at all, it was truly what 'band' means. The four talented people as one unit. Morrissey wasn't the only talent in the band and rather he was the least experienced member in the Smiths. All people who worked directly for the band's music was very talented, which was huge unexpected luck for Morrissey. Morrissey did splendid jobs for his part as a frontman and a lyricist, but Andy was the same although most people usually don't hear how bassline in a song is creative and technical. The fact that Morrissey's job can be the most easily recognized to the public doesn't mean that the success and the art of the Smiths was made by him. Andy made his success through the Smiths, but it's made by his talent not because the band just existed. No one owe to anyone, but it seems that some people in this forum just ignore it and like to think everyone related to the Smiths owe Morrissey. Like all the 'Nile Marr should appreciate Morrissey for his fame' stuffs. Eliza-Marie's comment shows the extreme of that.I guess Eliza-Marie simply means that if Elizabeth Anne Dwyer had never given birth, there had been no Morrissey and therefore no The Smiths.
Are you Johnny Marr?I don't think there's anyone who don't know that. First of all, it's Johnny who recruited the members and made the Smiths. Even if she had given birth to Morrissey, there still might not have been the Smiths. The implication that 'Andy owe his success to the Smiths that is Morrissey' is absurd itself too. The Smiths was not like Wham at all, it was truly what 'band' means. The four talented people as one unit. Morrissey wasn't the only talent in the band and rather he was the least experienced member in the Smiths. All people who worked directly for the band's music was very talented, which was huge unexpected luck for Morrissey. Morrissey did splendid jobs for his part as a frontman and a lyricist, but Andy was the same although most people usually don't hear how bassline in a song is creative and technical. The fact that Morrissey's job can be the most easily recognized to the public doesn't mean that the success and the art of the Smiths was made by him. Andy made his success through the Smiths, but it's made by his talent not because the band just existed. No one owe to anyone, but it seems that some people in this forum just ignore it and like to think everyone related to the Smiths owe Morrissey. Like all the 'Nile Marr should appreciate Morrissey for his fame' stuffs. Eliza-Marie's comment shows the extreme of that.
And I want to remind Eliza-Marie that Morrissey himself didn't announce anything when Joe moss passed away, who he has clearly owe his success to.
It's a very stylish film about Bowie/Iggy/Lou/Angie that is definitely appreciated more by fans of the whole minutiae of those individuals than mere casual listeners of their music. The Wilde reference at the start was a real masterstroke and another piece of candy for those who know. As great as the music was/is, I thought Ewan's Iggy impersonations were strictly silly (if somewhat sincere). David Hoyle as one of the Mainman crew was great because his Divine David persona is classic. The character of Shannon playing Bowie's Coco Schwab was perfect and Toni Collette really did inhabit/channel that ephemeral [insert adjective here] called Angie Bowie. I'm not quite sure who Jack Fairey was supposed to composite (I can only think of Marc Bolan - or maybe the entire 'times') but it all holds together well in that eclectic way that a Lynch film does so well. I saw it in Dublin at the cinema and was so very glad I got to see and hear it with optimal sound and vision (pun intended).Yeah, Todd Haynes is a brilliant filmmaker. I know not everyone likes it, but I loved Velvet Goldmine.