Re: A twenty-first century conversation
Hello again, Cili!
>
> Hello again.
>
> > Mr. Fabricio? This is fine...
>
> Should I have used "senor" (let's imagine that there's a tilde over the "n")?
>
hehe... in fact in portuguese we write "senhor" and in spanish "señor"...
>
> > well... marvelous photo indeed...
>
> Marvelous film as well--The Nun's Story, 1959.
I think i didn't see it...
> Say, that was the year
> Morrissey was born. I never realized that before. Seems strange, because
> Audrey's image is so timeless; it sets her chronology straight. I always
> forget what era she belongs to, because her style is so much a part of this
> one. You know the thin look that we (women, that is) kill ourselves for? Well,
> that's largely because of Audrey.
well, I'm fighting against myself to not be so fat as I was some months before...
> Her taste in clothes affected this
> generation's style profoundly as well. Well, enough about Audrey Hepburn.
> Needless to say, I admire her very much for a variety of reasons, none of
> which have to do with anything I've just mentioned.
yes, it's enough to look at her eyes to love her.
>
> > you see, I am catholic and some days ago I was wondering myself
> > (before you have written
> > me) if Audrey Hepburn was some kind of Saint or whatever. This
> > is because I saw a
> > documentary about her life and in all her life seemed to be such
> > a wonderful person,
> > with almost no defects at all. And in the end of her life she
> > made such a wonderful job
> > at Unesco, caressing poor people all around the world, with such
> > an angelic air...
>
> That was the way she was. Her ambassadorship for unicef was a way for Audrey
> to somehow return a favour that years earlier saved her life. When she was
> young, she almost died towards the end of the war, and if it wasn't for the
> Red Cross (maybe it wasn't the red cross, but it was the precursor to unicef)
> bringing her devastated town food, she would certainly have died. At times she
> was so starved, she even went out into the snow and ate frozen roots and
> flowers raw, picked from the ground. There are actually many stories just as
> terrible, and a few even more so. Her life, what she overcame, and who she
> became were truly remarkable.
the impressive thing in her is that it's very difficult to believe that somebody so
happy and bright as the young Audrey was in her first movies could have suffered before.
I think I didn't know the extension of her former sufferings and I am really impressed.
> In the end, many felt that because she cared so
> much, suffering with the children that she was trying to help, her life ended
> much sooner than it should have.
needless to say, she had a golden heart.
>
> > She was special without a doubt.
>
> As a woman, since I've learned more about Audrey, I find that she's a good
> model for young girls who need someone to look up to. I happened to discover
> her too late for all that, but she certainly is someone I've come to respect.
me too - and after the things you told me, i respect her still more.
>
> > And seeing how much she seems my Saint of Devotion makes me
> > wonder if she was not some
> > kind of Saint too.
>
> I believe she was by virtue of how many lives she touched, and towards the end
> of her life, actually saved. I don't believe a person absolutely must be
> canonized to be called a saint. I don't believe in religion, and to me
> Audrey's done more as an individual in action than the Pope. I believe that we
> should be judged by our actions, not our hats.
I don`t know, perhaps you are correct.
anyway, this Pope seems a Saint to me too. See what he did in Poland before 1989, and
the great courage he always have. He is a mystical person too, a Saint John of Cross
(close friend of Aint Teresa d'Avila) devotee.
but there's no doubt Audrey was a better person than many Popes were.
>
> > you see Cili, I had terrible experiences with other people in my
> > life, and someway in
> > the internet I can protect myself against aggressive people,
> > what I can`t do if I know
> > them personally.
>
> I like the internet for the comfortable anonymity, ease, and efficiency, but
> the facelessness sometimes makes me feel--if I may quote Suzanne--like I don't
> exist.
Strange thing - you both really exist for me, as I've seen you everyday. And I don`t
think I'll change my way of thinking about this subject...
> Losing too many of my senses makes it difficult for me to feel that the
> words on the screen are actually coming from people. I know how silly (or Cili
> ) that sounds, but it's true... for me, anyway.
Perhaps the silly guy is me deeply believing in someone I just know on the screen.
The explanation of the phenomenon may be completely wrong, but for someone that uses to
pray sometimes is needless to have relations with other people using our five senses...
I don`t know. I just know I feel really attached to my close friends I know just by net.
And again I don`t think I'll change my ways...
hey, I repeated this last phrase!
>
> > And I was shy, I was affraid of others. Nowadays I'm not as much
> > shy and affraid as I
> > was before, but knowing personally people makes me trembel
> > sometimes. I look most
> > people's eyes, and I see they don't care about others, they
> > don`t want to be real
> > friends of no one.
>
> I think there are terrible people everywhere and I don't see how the internet
> could possibly be any different, but I suppose we all deal with the
> difficulties of life in our own unique ways. I'm not a big fan of chatting or
> all that. I like this message board and I like e-mailing, but that's it. I
> don't have a problem with it or anything, I just don't think it's for me. I
> like being with people in person. I find it more comforting, because it's
> harder to be lied to.
I think you are a courageous person Cili. I feel sometimes Teresa is just like that.
It's so easy to her to make new friends and things like that - absolutely different of
me, of course.
>
> You're shy... it's cute that you are.
do you really think so? My shyness just make me feel silly sometimes.
> On a side note, I just want to say at
> least this once how wonderful it is that English is your second language,
> because it forces you to be so direct and honest; there's no dancing around
> things or nonsensical banter (something that I'm guilty of so often) that
> weighs down sentiment. If I may say so, it's definitely part of your charisma.
Oh thank you... I liked so much your words.
Anyway, the more I know some people like Morrissey, who uses to dancing around words in
interviews (luckily almost never in his songs!) the more I admire them.
I'm not sure but I think the portuguese language, with their big words, difficult things
to people who have this talent, like Morrissey or Oscar Wilde or you.
>
> > And I'm easily bored by others conversations too...
> > Personally you have to know
> > opinions and discussions that simply don`t interest you.
>
> That's true. But the same can be said of any relationship, even ones connected
> by modems and phone lines can't it?
but by modems you simply don't answer them! if people become offended, you don't see
their faces.
I know perhaps this is cowardliness again.
>
> > And by internet we have a great number of options, you see? It's
> > easier to find some
> > cool person than in Curitiba.
>
> I can't argue with that. With the internet you potentially reach everyone at
> the same time. You can't do that with your body.
Yeah - I really knew marvelous people by net.
> > I may seem coward or something - perhaps because I am.
>
> I wouldn't say that. That's like calling someone who is afraid of heights, or
> even just avoids certain things or uncomfortable situations, a coward. Human
> beings are just not that simple. Anything contrary to that basic
> understanding, I'd say, is being lazy about recognizing what sort of creature
> we are.
if you think that way, I have to thank you!
anyway, I try to ammeliorate my relation with my "physical" friends. Tomorrow I'll lunch
with some of them, and I try to not lose contact with those I really like.
But of course internet helps these kind of encounters, you see?
>
> > You don`t have to apologize.
>
> I apologize for apologizing.
you don't need to!
>
> > I don`t know. I normally feel too well having friends by net. I
> > don`t know why, but
> > these kind of relations we have by computer are so warmth as a
> > personal one would be.
>
> I don't think it's strange as a general rule, it's just strange for me. After
> all, all relationships have value because of what we glean from them. If you
> can receive those things from net friends, I don't see how that's any
> different (no worse, no better) from receiving things from friends in the
> flesh. It's all about a person's needs, and whether or not those needs are
> being met.
yes, this is exactly my opinion...
>
> > It seems this is just another way of making friends. In the end
> > you always know
> > perfectly the person whom you are talking to. I knew horrible
> > people by net. And it was
> > if I knew them personally. And excellent people too, of course!
>
> Yeah, good and bad people everywhere. See? There's really no difference
> between an internet population and a real-world population in that regard. I
> think it just comes down to which realm you feel more comfortable within.
see?... again you wrote the words I wanted to write...
>
> > Well, I perfectly agree with you about David, and I understand
> > what you are saying.
>
> If we all paid him a dollar to have the right to come here, he'd be a
> millionaire by now. Somehow, I don't have a problem with that. So it costs us
> a dollar one time, big deal. He slaves over this site (whether some of the
> people here realize it or not), and it's a bit disquieting how he receives no
> compensation for it.
but when Morrissey went to Brazil I knew David had really important informations from
Morrissey entourage. He seems to be someway attached to the whole thing.
And we are lucky because of that!
>
> > I began to answer your question yesterday, but now I am
> > melancholic too...
>
> How are you feeling today?
I feel very good. There's somebody that can change my humour for the best and for the
worse when she/he wants, and this is a really silly side of me.
>
> > She thanks you!
>
> Did you really tell Teresa how she's become a little celebrity to at least one
> of her father's friends?
in fact no...
but I'll tell her... and I know she'll like you!
>
> > heheh... it's a little based on Morrissey, you see...
>
> I saw the closely-shaved sides and extending sideburns and i knew.
have you paid attention to the t-shirt? I don`t know if it's easy to see but...
>
> > you can see it by audrey hepburn's looks, so heavier when she
> > became old.
>
> But I thought she still had radiance, even if it quieted down a bit. You just
> can't hide goodness and virtue within a person. Those things show themselves
> and cannot be supressed because it comes out in gestures, through eyes, words,
> and everything else that I won't go on listing.
really true and beautiful words of you...
>
> > Anyway, when she was with poor people because of Unesco she had
> > the same fresh air she had when she was younger.
>
> You took the words right out of my mouth Fabricio.
>
> > yeah, I'm feeling this way now. I'm just so tired... I don`t
> > know if I'll go to bed now or not...
>
> I hope you're feeling better today then.
yeah - I was affraid I would pass another day without seeing Teresa, but she was waiting
for me late evening!
>
> > It will be a pleasure to me.
>
> Would you do me a favour then Fabricio? There's one photo in particular that I
> like... it's that one of Teresa where she's got her hair in a ponytail, and
> she's looking right into the camera in a room somewhere. I don't remember much
> about it, but I remember that her face reminded me of my own picture that I
> saw of when i was younger. I don't have any of my baby pictures you see, so
> there's a strong sentimentality that I feel from seeing Teresa, especially in
> this one that I'm referring to. Do you know which one it is from my poor
> description? I'd love to see it again.
oh, with a ponytail?... she certainly doesn't have too much photos like that, and I'll
try to find it to you.
>
> > Do you think so?
>
> Well, if you keep making fun of your image, it'll turn old and gray on you and
> it'll have the last laugh!
I'll try to stop this mania of me - it's silly and it's hypocrite from me. I begin to
see it.
There are even people who takes it seriously!
>
> > Teresa is such an inocent person, but sometimes she's not. I
> > think she can easily defend herself against the bad things in
> > this world.
>
> She must have some of her father's spice. That would make her a spice-girl
> then, wouldn't it?
hehehe... it would be fine...
>
> > I always try to make her defend herself alone
> > against these bad things...
>
> I suppose if she must grow up, it's best to educate her to the world... after
> all, we wouldn't want to keep her surrounded by loving arms forever. It would
> become quite silly once she hit 65.
and really there are people like that...
>
> > I have a friend who always act like
> > that to me, and he was soo good to me.
>
> You sound like you miss him.
Not today, fortunately.
For the first time in my life I felt he needed me. I don`t know what to do, but I'll try
do my best to help him.
>
> > You see, if she wants me I'm always there. But she knows she can
> > do important things alone.
>
> I agree with that. A girl needs to be strong in this world, and the greatest
> strength a woman can have is independence.
I am glad you agree with me.
Sometimes I think I am the only one in my family who thinks like that.
>
> > I think that you can have this look again. I think you can
> > maintain your purity even against all.
>
> We'll see. It's a work in progress.
>
> > You resembles Audrey Hepburn? She has a photo where she really
> > looks like Teresa.
>
> I think there are some similarities, but "resemble" is probably too strong a
> word for me and Audrey. There are isolated features, some angles, hair colour,
> etc.
oh! you really must be beautiful!
>
> > You must be a beautiful woman, Cili.
>
> Well I don't know about all that Fabricio, that's not for me to decide. I'm
> just little ol' me. Besides, I'm sure I'm not nearly as beautiful as Greasetea
> is anyway, from the way that one Kansan girl is reacting.
Greasetea is sooo intelligent, don`t you think?
Even I (an old fan as you know) am impressed by him these days.
>
> > well, sometimes I'm affraid I am too much spice these days...
>
> Says who?
I say I am spice...
This is what you have questioned?
>
> > More hugs and kisses to you then!!!
>
> I demand even more. Now aren't you sorry you opened this can of worms?
I'll send you all the hugs and kisses you want, Cili!
How many of them do you want?
I'll send you all!!!
>
> Kisses.
>
> -Cili
kisses and hugs,
Fabricio
