Johnny Marr on his website

Jones

Senior Member
Johnny : "Isaac contacted me and asked if I'd help Modest Mouse write the new album. I was intrigued and played with the band in Portland a couple of times. We hit it off and wrote three great songs straight away, something clicked, it felt right from the off. I have a new Healers album pretty much done, but we've been having such a good time playing these new Modest Mouse songs. When people hear the record they'll see why, we're very good together."
Please give it up with the Healers Johnny, you're no good as a band leader.
 

floodzonex

Junior Member
whether or not I love anything he's done after the 1st Electronic record doesn't matter. I don't dig Modest Mouse at all. Never have. Hopefully this will improve that band. When I interviewed Johnny a few years ago he talked in depth about how the Healers album was very special to him and how much he liked it.

I say if he enjoys it, more power to him
 

Uncleskinny

It's all good
Subscriber
AlbertFinney brought her up, not me.
*sigh* It was my pitiful attempt at a joke, what with the general antipathy to her, I meant to imply she was not exactly the greatest. On a separate note, I'm thinking of writing a book on deconstructing 'jokes'.

Peter
 

mspendl828

Banned
Ah, I see.

Just the idea that someone would be policitally foolish enough not to appricate what Mrs T did for us was so far beyond me I didn't notice.
 

Uncle Liam

The King Of The Mountain
I concur. It is because of people like Mrs T that i am able to charge people 5k for a simple re mortgage.
 

Jon

Banned
*sigh* It was my pitiful attempt at a joke, what with the general antipathy to her, I meant to imply she was not exactly the greatest. On a separate note, I'm thinking of writing a book on deconstructing 'jokes'.

Peter
Perhaps you should have an irony/joke patch installed in your browser that enables others to see that what you are writing is actually a joke. :)
 

The Goat

Banned
Maggie Maggie Maggie OUT OUT OUT

Just the idea that someone would be policitally foolish enough not to appricate what Mrs T did for us was so far beyond me I didn't notice.
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What Mrs T did for us? Who exactly is us?
For me, she watched whilst 4 million were put on the dole (and told to get on our bikes) she closed industry after industry (mines and steel come to mind) prefering to buy in cheaper produce from abroad whilst throwing thousands on the scrap heap. She thrived on having families and communities fighting each other rather than realising the really enemy was her and her party. Conquor and divide was her speciality.
She flogged the family silver. Flogged us what we already owned as a collective population. Water, gas, electricity - vital commodities that are essential, now in the hands of foreign investors increasing the price each year.
She inflicted the poll tax on us (Im proud to say I never paid a penny) and took the piss out of the Scots by forcing it on them a year before the rest of us.
Her son raked in £££'s on dodgy dealings with dodgy organisations.
She supported the South African aparthied regime and did not want Mandela released.
She inflicted Clause 28 on us, a law actively discriminating against gays and lesbians.
She tried to bring in ID cards for football fans - again, I was proud to have played a part in defeating that bill.
She deregulised buses and trains and look what a mess local and regional transport is in and how expensive it is to use.
Inflation, house prices, pensions. She fucked them all up with the ME ME ME i'm all right jack Loads of money attitude.

Anymore reasons?
The Goat
 

lilybett

Pheobe W Caulfield
Johnny Marr's sweet. Leave him alone (, man) ;)
 

mspendl828

Banned
Re: Maggie Maggie Maggie OUT OUT OUT

Just the idea that someone would be policitally foolish enough not to appricate what Mrs T did for us was so far beyond me I didn't notice.
__________________

What Mrs T did for us? Who exactly is us?
For me, she watched whilst 4 million were put on the dole (and told to get on our bikes) she closed industry after industry (mines and steel come to mind) prefering to buy in cheaper produce from abroad whilst throwing thousands on the scrap heap. She thrived on having families and communities fighting each other rather than realising the really enemy was her and her party. Conquor and divide was her speciality.
She flogged the family silver. Flogged us what we already owned as a collective population. Water, gas, electricity - vital commodities that are essential, now in the hands of foreign investors increasing the price each year.
She inflicted the poll tax on us (Im proud to say I never paid a penny) and took the piss out of the Scots by forcing it on them a year before the rest of us.
Her son raked in £££'s on dodgy dealings with dodgy organisations.
She supported the South African aparthied regime and did not want Mandela released.
She inflicted Clause 28 on us, a law actively discriminating against gays and lesbians.
She tried to bring in ID cards for football fans - again, I was proud to have played a part in defeating that bill.
She deregulised buses and trains and look what a mess local and regional transport is in and how expensive it is to use.
Inflation, house prices, pensions. She fucked them all up with the ME ME ME i'm all right jack Loads of money attitude.

Anymore reasons?
The Goat
Look at the state of Britain in the 70's - An economy that was a joke, Unions pretty much running the country, a government that couldn't wipe it's backside without permission from the Union. An international joke!

Do you seriously think the old heavy industries would have survived that much longer even without Thatcher? They weren't closed out of spite, they were closed because they were losing huge amounts of money! And with no hope of a turn around. Frankly I don't want my taxes going on the government spending money keeping the British steel and coal industries running when no one's buying it as it's cheaper to import it! If the British coal industry was making money it wouldn't have been closed down. And let's not forgot that in 1979 around 45% of Union members voted for her!

As for buses and trains, what possible sense does it make for the government to be running transport, or infact any other aspect of public life when you get down to it? All it does it lead to big government, and people in charge of areas which they know nothing about. When you allowed the general public to own and operate such services they have a need to make money, and therefore have to operate in such a manner that allows the supply to meet the demand. With the government in charge it makes no difference whether money is made or not as it all comes from the taxes of the population, whether they use the services or not?

The UK was widely seen as the "sick man of Europe" in the 1970s, under the old socialist Labour Party, and some people even thought we'd end up devolving into a bloody developing country again! Instead, the UK emerged as one of the most successful economies in modern Europe.

She helped open up the market economy in Britain again after years of stagnation, finally realising that Keynesian economics was not the best way to go and introduced a proper monetarism based economic plan, which meant interest rates followed and this in turn lead to the booms on the late 1980s.

Poll Tax though was a fuck up, yes.

Clause 28 and Mandela, fine, she wasn't completly perfect, but then again Che Guevara was a mass murderer but people think it's acceptable to wear t-shirts of him because he was a left-wing terrorist so it's not as if lefties don't hold that against him I don't see why I should hold those things against Mrs T.

As a football fan and season ticket holder I'd be quite happy to have an ID card in order to attend matches to be honest. Not a hooligan so it wouldn't make any difference to me.

Now the pensions scheme didn't turn out as planned, but it's hardly Mrs T's fault that the stockmarket fell. Encouraging private pension though is a good thing as the more people who do it the more firms will off the service which will lead to good market competition which will mean that people will get higher returns on when they pay it.

Compare this country in 1978 to 1991 and you cannot seriously tell me that people were better off in 78?
 
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Joe Dolan

Wielding a bicycle chain
Re: Maggie Maggie Maggie OUT OUT OUT

As far as I can see, the only positive that ever came out of T$tch*rs time at no. 10 was her Spitting Image caricature!
 

The Goat

Banned
Fair reply, i dont pretend that everything in the 70's was hunky dory - if it was Labour would have remained in power.
Labour was too far left but thatcher went too far right.
she would have lost the 83 election had it not been for the Falklands the year before that took her on a wave of jingoism and galvanised her.
Sure the unions were powerful and she took them on, but those who suffered from her actions suffered badly and that was the 'ordinary bloke on the street' and predominantly in the north / north midlands.
Of course the economy looked good under thather because it was shored up by selling everything she could get her hands on. and when there was nothing left to sell......
as for the busues, surely you know what is happening in Manchester city centre every night around the bus station with companies cutting each others prices and routes with the aim of stiffling opposition and then reducing services and increasing prices. I went to see Morrissey in Rome. Every journey on the underground or bus was 1 euro (70p). in fact, your ticket was as many rides you could take within 75 minutes of the ticket being issued. It costs me £1.60 on a bus from Moston into the city centre 3 and a half miles away.....
anyway, lets not fall out, lets celebrate some great music..... now, where is my Viva Hate album, last track.... :D
 

mspendl828

Banned
I was amazed at how cheap things were in Rome too, although I'd rather pay for things directly than indirectly throught taxes, but as a tourist it was brilliant! And of course if no one was willing to pay £1.60 to get to the city from Moston (or £2.40 to get to there from Failsworth(!)) then they'd have to reduce prices or end up out of busines.

All that apart, it's nice to have a political discussion on a forum without it turning into petty name calling. Goat, I salute you. :D
 

The Goat

Banned
I agree, that's why i responded to your reply to me as it was well balanced and presented rather than the general 'fuck off you (whatever name you wish to insert) that normally goes around these parts. Just goes to show you can have a decent discussion without getting abusive.
However, seeing as you are in Failsworth, i propose we meet up outside McDonalds on Oldham Rd (about half way between us) for a fight. name the time and date. :D
 
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