Johnny - I don't think that's really a surprise that I would disagree with what Morrissey's saying

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reelfountain

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OK, well I have to remain consistent here and until we know for sure I'm uncomfortable saying that it was a Muslim gang. I actually assumed the news had broken that it was. As I say my primary interest is the double standards of how the media treat these things that made me curious to know if the info on said gang had been released.

Is the DJ you were referring to Maajid Nawaz? I'd be disappointed if it turned out it was him because I actually rate him quite highly and although politically disagree with him on a lot of stuff he is one of the voices on the Left I like to listen to when I come across interviews etc on YouTube. I follow him on twitter as well. Hope its not him.
It is indeed Maajid Nawaz. He tried to initially portray the attack as a purely racist one. In all the reports he said he was standing on the street on his phone and then from nowhere a man punched him, called him a P*ki and walked away, when this was far from the truth.

I knew there was more to the story as I don't trust this man. There's something a little over-zealous about him. Don't forget, he is a former Islamic terrorist (arrested in Egypt in 2001 and jailed for five years there for terrorism) and could have accepted a 'freedom' deal from a British intelligence agency to avoid more time in prison (they could have had more on him that would put him away for a long time).
 

reelfountain

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I'm not quite sure why you felt the need to attempt to turn these incidents into some kind of purile competition. Do you feel like you are winning?

I do not excuse any violence. I'm therefore unsure as to what you think your point is? I do and will continue to dispute the racism and homophobia you apply to your every utterance. You are irrational, angry and seemingly a little unhinged. The contents of your conspiratorial posts are, for the most part, hateful diatribes against groups of people you seem to think of as being inferior to the conventional white, straight westerner. Views shared by David Copeland. I draw the comparison for its accuracy. Hate breeds hate. You hate a lot, and with conviction.
Why put up a detailed post about David Copeland? Just because I find Pride tacky and commercial doesn't mean I want to nail bomb people. As for Muslims, there are many in this country who would say that all gays deserve to be nail bombed and would laugh and celebrate if it ever happened again.

My point is that bomb attacks targeting gays are extremely rare, whereas Islamics have set off countless bombs since targeting everyone. So why put up an extensive post about a hate bomb 20 years ago?
 
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I'm glad you made the post with the numbered points showing the progression of this multi-page thread which gave some more context I was lacking, along with the recap you've just provided.

I can first off unequivocally state I don't condone or endorse violence. And more specifically, I do not promote or condone targeted violence on LGBT people. This isn't some back-peddling speech; that's from the heart and my principles (which are largely center left-leaning lowercase-libertarian [as opposed to authoritarian]).

That being said i'm not without my bias or disenfranchisement of sociopolitical issues as they are reported in corporate media and held by a slight majority of western populations.

It's not your fault that I am definitely going to come across as right-wing, or at the very least, right-wing apologist (which I am in most ways). I'm a centrist after all. With a believe in the same free speech principles that at one time fostered more acceptance of diversity of opinion.

In the 90's and early 00's I was far more at odds with what I perceived to be religious right dominance and overbearing censorious activity. But for me, the script has flipped in terms of establishment and I view most media and international globalist corporations as the abusive power structure that oversteps, censors, and uses double-standards in their characterization of issues that affect us all, like violence.

So coming from that perspective, and being unclear as to the origination of the topic, I guess this came off as a whataboutism, as you say. Additionally, the Antifa beat up a gay comment was a flippant attempt at bringing it back to the topic of whites attacking gays.

Yes, I could have added that they attacked an asian as well, which I am equally displeased with. But that was less of a connecting thread. Did Antifa attack him because he is gay? Well they knew he was gay. They attacked him because of who he is, knowing what he is. Was it purely motivated by his orientation? I suppose not. But I think the topic of "gays being attacked" in the general context usually implies a right-wing element. I think it is fair to point out the instances (especially recent and egregious) where the left did not give a shit that they were brutally attacking a gay person. I believe that is a value-added context or footnote.

Hope this makes more sense. I know this is a Morrissey site, of whom I am a passionate fan. I've lurked here since 2000. Joined and commented a bit 5 years ago. It's always been toxic here with the Morrissey hate. But it has become more political as his views are less aligned with current fashion and I got tired of being in a hug box with the comment threads of my other places so I figured I'd join the fray and have a bit of banter. Sometimes I attempt to be funny but it can become sardonic and flippant as well.
It was refreshing to read your comment above. It’s rare in this forum to find someone who actually identifies that their views could be perceived as alt-right or perceived as seeming apologetic to alt-right views. I do not at all hold with those views but can respect the manner in which you have presented your position.

I agree also that there has always been a level of toxicity regarding Morrissey hate. I haven’t always been able to understand very much of it – it seemed to be the epitomy of trolling. However, I do understand the emotion and hatred relating to Morrissey’s recent statements and endorsements. I understand it – I don’t always agree with how some users express their anger or disappointment.

The discussion at hand is that of LGBT hate speech, homophobia and the promotion, endorsement, collusion and potential incitement of actual hate crime perpetrated by 2 specific users: Reelfountain and Stephen Hoffman. Unfortunately, there are others.

When The Truth noted “When you start out by engaging with or responding to something reelfountain has said you're definitely operating at a disadvantage and confusion is likely” it took all my will power not to spit my coffee out. This is such a wonderfully accurate way to describe Reelfountain encounters.

I posted this information in the suggestion section but think it pertinent to this discussion ...

“I am anti-establishment (particularly of the white, male, straight, religious, wealthy and privileged kind). I believe politics in the UK to be a cesspool of cronyism (nothing new there) sustained by back door deals and centuries of corruption. I don't believe nor have I ever believed that I live in a democracy - I live in the illusion of a democracy. Anti-establishment to me does not mean the promotion of and collusion with: racism, homophobia, misogyny, religious intolerance, anti semitism etc. These are the hateful building blocks on which our current establishment system was built. Why would I ever accept them? Why would anyone who claims to be anti-establishment.

The site is now home to scattergun hate. The posters - who clearly and unarguably hold alt-right views – have no interest at all in any collateral damage as a consequence of their comments. In the case of Reelfountain her hatred is so extreme that she has accused 2 young boys - victims of a paedophile that she continues to support wholeheartedly - as liars - or non existent. She has then gone on to claim that 2 young lesbians physically assaulted on a London bus are liars too. Apparently, Reelfountain ‘thinks’ she ‘knows’ what really happened.

As expected her hatred of LGBT people was then peppered with hatred for black people (racism) and Muslims (religious intolerance). On occasion Reelfountain accused both of these groups of being involved in the attack of the 2 women on the London bus. Yet, she was quite content to consistently attack, denegrate and abuse LGBT people in a public forum. This is her M.O.

Incitement to violence is something that neither Reelfountain nor Stephen Hoffman seems to understand nor wish to understand. Both bleat about the horrors of radicalisation when it comes to Islam but in their myopic world view ignore radicalisation when it is applied to alt-right thugs and murderers.

LGBT hatred, racial and religious hatred have to my mind no place anywhere in a civilised society let alone a Smiths and Morrissey fan site.
 
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Just because I find Pride tacky and commercial
Why use my own words to respond when I can use some of yours ....

"The fact they're getting the kids in on it (Pride) now is like something from Gary Glitter's handbook"

"What a shower of creeps. .... the paedo element is getting more pronounced each year."

"These people don't go away. They will get in there surreptitiously wherever they can and they've obviously infiltrated the Pride movement.

"You watch. The schools will be officially celebrating Pride each year soon."


"Gays used to enjoy the shadows - now it's all so extroverted and crudely in your face."

"Now take the incident with lesbians on the bus. Maybe they heard the gang say a few things they didn't like and stated [sic] the row themselves."


"If this really was a homophobic attack"


"It has 'muslim ignorance' written all over it."
 

reelfountain

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.... and the prize for loudest dog whistle this evening goes to .... Reelfountain.

"Every Londoner knows" Reelfountain has canvassed every single person in London to ascertain their view on this topic. She manged to do this single-handedly in less than 4 hours. She's a faster worker and no mistake.
"Just like every shooting and stabbing is always one ethnicity". You'll notice the complete lack of factual evidence provided to support this alt-right daydream.
"If this really was a homophobic attack". Here Reelfountain plumbs more lows; suggesting that the two women who were phsyically assaulted have lied about the violence they experienced and the reason for that violence. This mirrors Reelfountain's recent claim that the 2 boys abused by Jack Renshaw either did not exist or were lying. It seems she'll do just about anything to protect her alt-right, convicted paedophile.
"it has 'muslim ignorance' written all over it." ... or more accurately, Reelfountain's ignorance. Reelfountain's recent homophobic comments include (but are not limited to):

"the fact they're getting the kids in on it (Pride) now is like something from Gary Glitter's handbook"

"What a shower of creeps. .... the paedo element is getting more pronounced each year."

"These people don't go away. They will get in there surreptitiously wherever they can and they've obviously infiltrated the Pride movement. You watch. The schools will be officially celebrating Pride each year soon."

"Gays used to enjoy the shadows - now it's all so extroverted and crudely in your face."

"Everybody knows why - because whenever police employ this method it always turns out to be for the same reason. Community cohesion."
Everybody? Crikey. Now everyone in the world knows why. I didn't so I can't be one of the people that lives in the world, can I? (cue: cheap, unfunny gag). Again, there is no factual evidence to support Reelfountain's wild assertions just Reelfountain's conspiratorial alt-right worldview.

This is just another alt-right rant from an unloveable, unlikeable, hateful, racist, paedophile apologist and homophobe.
Thanks to my biggest fan for constantly putting up extensive quotes of mine (of which I unashamedly stand by). I'm not sure how much these compilations are appreciated by other site users, but they do tickle me every time I see them, and I appreciate your time and effort.

I will further elaborate on one of the quotes: "If this really was a homophobic attack" which concerns the attack on the two women on the London bus that gained worldwide press coverage and was propagandized to the full. I am absolutely right to question if this indeed was a homophobic attack. Nobody knows any of the details for certain. We have only heard one side of the story, haven't seen the CCTV footage, and heard nothing at all from witnesses.

Sometimes people twist things for their own agenda. When it comes to court we'll hear more. But as all but one of the suspect is under 18 we will never hear names or see photos of the majority so one can only presume their ethnicity (which I have as it makes logical sense).

Unfortunately people get into drunken rows with strangers all the time at night after socialising and end up assaulted. But how do we know if one of the women didn't throw insults first? How do we know one of the women didn't strike first? Perhaps the women might have even started the row. It happened in the early hours of the morning when people were on their way home from clubs and perhaps the women had consumed a lot of drink (or drugs). We just know at this point.

What we do know from patterns and likelihood is that a gang on a bus in inner London has a 99.9% of being an ethnic gang containing at least some Muslims. And Muslims are more likely to throw anti-semitic, sexist or homophobic insults around at Westerners as these views form a strong part of Islamic culture.
 
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Thanks to my biggest fan for constantly putting up extensive quotes of mine (of which I unashamedly stand by). I'm not sure how much these compilations are appreciated by other site users, but they do tickle me every time I see them, and I appreciate your time and effort.

I will further elaborate on one of the quotes: "If this really was a homophobic attack" which concerns the attack on the two women on the London bus that gained worldwide press coverage and was propagandized to the full. I am absolutely right to question if this indeed was a homophobic attack. Nobody knows any of the details for certain. We have only heard one side of the story, haven't seen the CCTV footage, and heard nothing at all from witnesses.

Sometimes people twist things for their own agenda. When it comes to court we'll hear more. but as all but one is under 18 we will never hear names or see photos of the majority so one can only presume their ethnicity (which I have as it makes logical sense).

Unfortunately people get into drunken rows with strangers all the time and end up assaulted. But how do we know if one of the women didn't throw insults first? How do we know one of the women didn't strike first? Perhaps the women might have even started the row. It happened in the early hours of the morning when people were on their way home from clubs and perhaps the woman had consumed a lot of drink. We just know at this point.

What we do know from patterns and likelihood is that a gang on a bus in inner London has a 99.9% of being an ethnic gang containing at least some Muslims. And Muslims are more likely to throw anti-semitic, sexist or homophobic insults around at Westerners as these views form a strong part of Islamic culture.
Words from the alt-right, homophobic, racist, paedophile apologist, Reelfountain ....

“I am absolutely right to question if this indeed was a homophobic attack. Nobody knows any of the details for certain.” Not even the 2 women who were brutally attacked and gave extensive television interviews about what occurred and why it occurred. Hmmm ….

“Sometimes people twist things for their own agenda.” You do. You absolutely do.

“But how do we know that one of the women didn't strike first? How do we know one of the women didn't throw insults first? Perhaps the women might have even started the row.” This is what is known as homophobic denial. In days gone by male domestic abusers would often attempt to defend themselves with a similar strategy: “she was asking for it”, "she made me do it".
 
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Thanks to my biggest fan for constantly putting up extensive quotes of mine (of which I unashamedly stand by). I'm not sure how much these compilations are appreciated by other site users, but they do tickle me every time I see them, and I appreciate your time and effort.

I will further elaborate on one of the quotes: "If this really was a homophobic attack" which concerns the attack on the two women on the London bus that gained worldwide press coverage and was propagandized to the full. I am absolutely right to question if this indeed was a homophobic attack. Nobody knows any of the details for certain. We have only heard one side of the story, haven't seen the CCTV footage, and heard nothing at all from witnesses.

Sometimes people twist things for their own agenda. When it comes to court we'll hear more. but as all but one is under 18 we will never hear names or see photos of the majority so one can only presume their ethnicity (which I have as it makes logical sense).

Unfortunately people get into drunken rows with strangers all the time and end up assaulted. But how do we know if one of the women didn't throw insults first? How do we know one of the women didn't strike first? Perhaps the women might have even started the row. It happened in the early hours of the morning when people were on their way home from clubs and perhaps the woman had consumed a lot of drink. We just know at this point.

What we do know from patterns and likelihood is that a gang on a bus in inner London has a 99.9% of being an ethnic gang containing at least some Muslims. And Muslims are more likely to throw anti-semitic, sexist or homophobic insults around at Westerners as these views form a strong part of Islamic culture.
Honey, if you hate gays so much it must make looking in the mirror a tad awkward?
 
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Thanks to my biggest fan for constantly putting up extensive quotes of mine (of which I unashamedly stand by). I'm not sure how much these compilations are appreciated by other site users, but they do tickle me every time I see them, and I appreciate your time and effort.

I will further elaborate on one of the quotes: "If this really was a homophobic attack" which concerns the attack on the two women on the London bus that gained worldwide press coverage and was propagandized to the full. I am absolutely right to question if this indeed was a homophobic attack. Nobody knows any of the details for certain. We have only heard one side of the story, haven't seen the CCTV footage, and heard nothing at all from witnesses.

Sometimes people twist things for their own agenda. When it comes to court we'll hear more. but as all but one is under 18 we will never hear names or see photos of the majority so one can only presume their ethnicity (which I have as it makes logical sense).

Unfortunately people get into drunken rows with strangers all the time and end up assaulted. But how do we know if one of the women didn't throw insults first? How do we know one of the women didn't strike first? Perhaps the women might have even started the row. It happened in the early hours of the morning when people were on their way home from clubs and perhaps the woman had consumed a lot of drink. We just know at this point.

What we do know from patterns and likelihood is that a gang on a bus in inner London has a 99.9% of being an ethnic gang containing at least some Muslims. And Muslims are more likely to throw anti-semitic, sexist or homophobic insults around at Westerners as these views form a strong part of Islamic culture.
 
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Anonymous

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Thanks to my biggest fan for constantly putting up extensive quotes of mine (of which I unashamedly stand by). I'm not sure how much these compilations are appreciated by other site users, but they do tickle me every time I see them, and I appreciate your time and effort.

I will further elaborate on one of the quotes: "If this really was a homophobic attack" which concerns the attack on the two women on the London bus that gained worldwide press coverage and was propagandized to the full. I am absolutely right to question if this indeed was a homophobic attack. Nobody knows any of the details for certain. We have only heard one side of the story, haven't seen the CCTV footage, and heard nothing at all from witnesses.

Sometimes people twist things for their own agenda. When it comes to court we'll hear more. but as all but one is under 18 we will never hear names or see photos of the majority so one can only presume their ethnicity (which I have as it makes logical sense).

Unfortunately people get into drunken rows with strangers all the time and end up assaulted. But how do we know if one of the women didn't throw insults first? How do we know one of the women didn't strike first? Perhaps the women might have even started the row. It happened in the early hours of the morning when people were on their way home from clubs and perhaps the woman had consumed a lot of drink. We just know at this point.

What we do know from patterns and likelihood is that a gang on a bus in inner London has a 99.9% of being an ethnic gang containing at least some Muslims. And Muslims are more likely to throw anti-semitic, sexist or homophobic insults around at Westerners as these views form a strong part of Islamic culture.
 
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Anonymous

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Thanks to my biggest fan for constantly putting up extensive quotes of mine (of which I unashamedly stand by). I'm not sure how much these compilations are appreciated by other site users, but they do tickle me every time I see them, and I appreciate your time and effort.

I will further elaborate on one of the quotes: "If this really was a homophobic attack" which concerns the attack on the two women on the London bus that gained worldwide press coverage and was propagandized to the full. I am absolutely right to question if this indeed was a homophobic attack. Nobody knows any of the details for certain. We have only heard one side of the story, haven't seen the CCTV footage, and heard nothing at all from witnesses.

Sometimes people twist things for their own agenda. When it comes to court we'll hear more. but as all but one is under 18 we will never hear names or see photos of the majority so one can only presume their ethnicity (which I have as it makes logical sense).

Unfortunately people get into drunken rows with strangers all the time and end up assaulted. But how do we know if one of the women didn't throw insults first? How do we know one of the women didn't strike first? Perhaps the women might have even started the row. It happened in the early hours of the morning when people were on their way home from clubs and perhaps the woman had consumed a lot of drink. We just know at this point.

What we do know from patterns and likelihood is that a gang on a bus in inner London has a 99.9% of being an ethnic gang containing at least some Muslims. And Muslims are more likely to throw anti-semitic, sexist or homophobic insults around at Westerners as these views form a strong part of Islamic culture.
 

reelfountain

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The vast majority of attacks on innocent people on the street are not 'homophobic' attacks - they are just attacks - the vast majority of which would never make headlines anywhere, let alone across the world (like the one above).

Identity politics is divisive and toxic.
 
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only :handpointright::guardsman::handpointleft: denies his own attraction to dudes:sweet:

you cant snoggle with DUDES FOR 45 LONG MINUTES and
then deny you are gay and attracted to dudes.doh:

not a couple of smooches, no.....45 minutes worth:yum:
Moz played Johnny's skinflute.
 
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Why use my own words to respond when I can use some of yours ....

"The fact they're getting the kids in on it (Pride) now is like something from Gary Glitter's handbook"

"What a shower of creeps. .... the paedo element is getting more pronounced each year."

"These people don't go away. They will get in there surreptitiously wherever they can and they've obviously infiltrated the Pride movement.

"You watch. The schools will be officially celebrating Pride each year soon."


"Gays used to enjoy the shadows - now it's all so extroverted and crudely in your face."

"Now take the incident with lesbians on the bus. Maybe they heard the gang say a few things they didn't like and stated [sic] the row themselves."


"If this really was a homophobic attack"


"It has 'muslim ignorance' written all over it."
Nothing to say but hate. Thousands of posts from you since you creeped into this forum. The vast majority of them brimming with unbridled hatred. I'm thinking that people should refer to you as Eva - there is a startling similarity - but you'd enjoy that too much. How about Jack Renshaw's bitch?
 

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Anonymous

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The vast majority of attacks on innocent people on the street are not 'homophobic' attacks - they are just attacks - the vast majority of which would never make headlines anywhere, let alone across the world (like the one above).

Identity politics is divisive and toxic.
Erm, BUT this WAS a homophobic attack!!! A homophic attack that you claim might not have taken place, that there was no evidence to support the attack - you dismiss the evidence of the 2 women outright - and that the women may very well have instigated the attack!!!???

You are divisive! You are Toxic!
 

bhops

Last of the famous international screw ups.
It is indeed Maajid Nawaz. He tried to initially portray the attack as a purely racist one. In all the reports he said he was standing on the street on his phone and then from nowhere a man punched him, called him a P*ki and walked away, when this was far from the truth.

I knew there was more to the story as I don't trust this man. There's something a little over-zealous about him. Don't forget, he is a former Islamic terrorist (arrested in Egypt in 2001 and jailed for five years there for terrorism) and could have accepted a 'freedom' deal from a British intelligence agency to avoid more time in prison (they could have had more on him that would put him away for a long time).
That's a shame because I like him and didn't think he'd resort to that sort of deception. I also know his story, I think he went into it in some detail on Joe Rogan I believe, and other places as well. I'm always prepared to give a reformist a chance, same as Imam Tawhidi whom I also like. Look whether it be someone who comes from radical Islam, a White Supremacist group, the Westboro Baptist Church or some other warped ideology, even f***en Scientology, I'm always prepared to listen to someone with changing ideas. We all change over time, but 'yeah' disappointed to learn he wasn't on the up and up with that beating story.
 
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Anonymous

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The vast majority of attacks on innocent people on the street are not 'homophobic' attacks - they are just attacks - the vast majority of which would never make headlines anywhere, let alone across the world (like the one above).

Identity politics is divisive and toxic.
Åsa Linderborg who got sacked yesterday hated identity politics and that probably is the reason why she lost the job she had. But she will be better off as an author and that will help her make more money as her next book will most likely be turned into a film or tv series.

On the other hand politics is all about what you identify with. I cannot see politics working in any other way unless you want a 7 party coalition like in Sweden which means nothing gets done.
 
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Anonymous

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Aggressive migrants may come across as frightening and good at using violence but they are all cowards who out number people and they even turn on women. At least they chose lesbian women who usually are better at defending themselves than hetero women but it's still weak.

One on one they never stand a chance.
 
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Moz played Johnny's skinflute.
:rolleyes:

that is impossible, since the Dramatic :drama: one said in that book( Moz had an auto bio, the Dramaj right away has to have an autobio, the copycat) of his that he just snoggled one dude, for a duration of
45 min.

btw you know what they say about cucks who wear wigs: no flute, pennywhistle.:tiphat:
 

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