James Maker Statement: Is Morrissey a racist?

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By Famous when dead on Apr 26, 2018 at 4:15 PM
  1. Famous when dead

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    Statement:

    Is Morrissey a racist?

    The answer is an emphatic 'no'. In the forty years that I have known Morrissey, I have never once heard a racist epithet pass his lips. The terms 'racist', 'fascist', and 'Islamophobe' are so freely used nowadays against those whose opinions and worldview differs from our own, that they have lost their power and meaning.
    Also, there is a worrying trend on the Left that, ironically, echoes fascism in its intolerance of reasoned debate. One is not only 'wrong' in expressing a different opinion, but one is also now 'evil'. I believe that calling Morrissey a racist is unjustifiable and wrong.
    However, if you want to run out of the house wearing a garment ill-suited to the elements in order to throw Viva Hate into the Manchester Ship Canal, then that is, of course, your right.

    In supporting Brexit, this does not make Morrissey an immigrant-hating 'Little Englander' who lives only to reverse the metric system and bring back steam trains. The truth is, there are myriad reasons why people voted to leave the EU. One of them is a mistrust of Brussels technocracy where unelected representatives make decisions that are arguably a matter for sovereignty.
    Patriotism and Nationalism are very distinct: the former is characterised by an affection for one's country; the second is a more extreme and unforgiving form of allegiance to one's homeland. Morrissey might be guilty of patriotism, but not of nationalism.

    Opposing Sharia Law in the UK, or FGM, or institutionalised misogyny—which is (trigger warning) widespread in the developing world—is an appropriate Western response borne of democracy and the development of civil liberties. It is neither racist nor Islamophobic.
    After all, if I were to move to the United Arab Emirates in search of a better life, I wouldn't reasonably expect to be able to build a hot dog stand empire, serving pork products whilst dressed in a gender-neutral miniskirt.

    To oppose halal slaughter is to oppose slaughter with additional cruelty. The zakat tax payable for Halal certification is used by Islamic organisations to fund mosques and religious schools. Such is the many-tentacled nature of zakat, it is difficult to determine whether it is also being used to crowdfund Islamist extremism. There is a growing concern in some quarters that it might be.

    Hitler was indeed 'Left-wing' in the sense of incorporating the word 'socialist' into the party's name to cynically draw voters away from communism and towards populist nationalism dressed as socialism. Hence, 'Hitler was Left-wing.' Morrissey was not suggesting that Hitler and Yvette Cooper (for example) share the same political ideals. The fact is, Left-wing totalitarianism looks little different to Right-wing authoritarianism — if you're being oppressed, it's the same experience.

    Again, is Morrissey a racist?
    My answer is an emphatic 'no'.

    James Maker.
    26.04.18

    Regards,
    FWD.
     
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    1. Surface
      Surface
      Ignore the troll prick like everyone else does.
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    2. Charlie Cheswick
      Charlie Cheswick
      Like I said several times Derek, you haven't got a fucking clue what Socialism is. I'm out of this, there is no point in debating with somebody who is willfully ignorant and refuses to learn for the fear of being brainwashed by the mainstream. Good luck and read a fucking book.
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    3. Joe90
      Joe90
      Hitler certainly adopted elements of Socialism for the Nazi Party (National Socialist German Workers Party) 25 point programme such as nationalisation of industry to "ween the German workers away from Marxism" and there were even some German Communists and Socialists who exchanged their party membership cards for those of Hitler's NSDAP. Strasserism (named after its founders and leaders Otto and Gregor Strasser) was a radical "German Socialist" breakaway faction from the Nazi Party (Strasserism even became an influence on elements of the British National Front in the 1970's and 1980's). However the Nazis were indeed racist and anti-Semitic while Karl Marx and Trotsky (assassinated in Mexico on Stalin's orders) had Jewish backgrounds while declaring themselves to be Atheists (Marx was very critical of Judaism). There is still a debate today over whether Stalin was allegedly "anti-Semitic" or not. Many ordinary rank and file Communists and Fascists alike in Europe were shocked as was world opinion when Nazi Germany and Soviet Russia signed the temporary "non-aggression pact" (1939-1941) and they both invaded Poland in 1939 (although Nazi Germany later broke the Pact by invading the Soviet Union in 1941 - one only wonders how very different world history would have turned out if they hadn't).

      https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/National_Socialist_Program

      The 25-point Program of the NSDAP
      1. We demand the unification of all Germans in the Greater Germany on the basis of the people's right to self-determination.
      2. We demand equality of rights for the German people in respect to the other nations; abrogation of the peace treaties of Versailles and St. Germain.
      3. We demand land and territory (colonies) for the sustenance of our people and colonization for our surplus population.
      4. Only a member of the race can be a citizen. A member of the race can only be one who is of German blood, without consideration of creed. Consequently, no Jew can be a member of the race.
      5. Whoever has no citizenship is to be able to live in Germany only as a guest and must be under the authority of legislation for foreigners.
      6. The right to determine matters concerning administration and law belongs only to the citizen. Therefore, we demand that every public office, of any sort whatsoever, whether in the Reich, the county or municipality, be filled only by citizens. We combat the corrupting parliamentary economy, office-holding only according to party inclinations without consideration of character or abilities.
      7. We demand that the state be charged first with providing the opportunity for a livelihood and way of life for the citizens. If it is impossible to sustain the total population of the State, then the members of foreign nations (non-citizens) are to be expelled from the Reich.
      8. Any further immigration of non-citizens is to be prevented. We demand that all non-Germans, who have immigrated to Germany since 2 August 1914, be forced immediately to leave the Reich.
      9. All citizens must have equal rights and obligations.
      10. The first obligation of every citizen must be to productively work mentally or physically. The activity of individuals is not to counteract the interests of the universality, but must have its result within the framework of the whole for the benefit of all. Consequently, we demand:
      11. Abolition of unearned (work and labour) incomes. Breaking of debt (interest)-slavery.
      12. In consideration of the monstrous sacrifice in property and blood that each war demands of the people, personal enrichment through a war must be designated as a crimeagainst the people. Therefore, we demand the total confiscation of all war profits.
      13. We demand the nationalisation of all (previous) associated industries (trusts).
      14. We demand a division of profits of all heavy industries.
      15. We demand an expansion on a large scale of old age welfare.
      16. We demand the creation of a healthy middle class and its conservation, immediate communalization of the great warehouses and their being leased at low cost to small firms, the utmost consideration of all small firms in contracts with the State, county or municipality.
      17. We demand a land reform suitable to our needs, provision of a law for the free expropriation of land for the purposes of public utility, abolition of taxes on land and prevention of all speculation in land.
      18. We demand struggle without consideration against those whose activity is injurious to the general interest. Common national criminals, usurers, profiteers and so forth are to be punished with death, without consideration of confession or race.
      19. We demand substitution of a German common law in place of the Roman Law serving a materialistic world-order.
      20. The state is to be responsible for a fundamental reconstruction of our whole national education program, to enable every capable and industrious German to obtain higher education and subsequently introduction into leading positions. The plans of instruction of all educational institutions are to conform with the experiences of practical life. The comprehension of the concept of the state must be striven for by the school [Staatsbürgerkunde] as early as the beginning of understanding. We demand the education at the expense of the state of outstanding intellectually gifted children of poor parents without consideration of position or profession.
      21. The state is to care for the elevating national health by protecting the mother and child, by outlawing child-labor, by the encouragement of physical fitness, by means of the legal establishment of a gymnastic and sport obligation, by the utmost support of all organizations concerned with the physical instruction of the young.
      22. We demand abolition of the mercenary troops and formation of a national army.
      23. We demand legal opposition to known lies and their promulgation through the press. In order to enable the provision of a German press, we demand, that:
        a. All writers and employees of the newspapers appearing in the German language be members of the race;
        b. Non-German newspapers be required to have the express permission of the state to be published. They may not be printed in the German language;
        c. Non-Germans are forbidden by law any financial interest in German publications or any influence on them and as punishment for violations the closing of such a publication as well as the immediate expulsion from the Reich of the non-German concerned. Publications which are counter to the general good are to be forbidden. We demand legal prosecution of artistic and literary forms which exert a destructive influence on our national life and the closure of organizations opposing the above made demands.
      24. We demand freedom of religion for all religious denominations within the state so long as they do not endanger its existence or oppose the moral senses of the Germanic race. The Party as such advocates the standpoint of a positive Christianity without binding itself confessionally to any one denomination. It combats the Jewish-materialistic spirit within and around us and is convinced that a lasting recovery of our nation can only succeed from within on the framework: "The good of the community before the good of the individual".[10] ("GEMEINNUTZ GEHT VOR EIGENNUTZ" [all caps in original])[11]
      25. For the execution of all of this we demand the formation of a strong central power in the Reich. Unlimited authority of the central parliament over the whole Reich and its organizations in general. The forming of state and profession chambers for the execution of the laws made by the Reich within the various states of the confederation. The leaders of the Party promise, if necessary by sacrificing their own lives, to support by the execution of the points set forth above without consideration.
      https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Strasserism

      https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stalin_and_antisemitism

      https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rootless_cosmopolitan

      https://www.marxists.org/archive/marx/works/1844/jewish-question/

      https://www.amazon.co.uk/Devils-Alliance-Hitlers-Stalin-1939-1941/dp/1847922058

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    4. vegan.cro  spirit #594
      vegan.cro spirit #594

      Of course, Hitler was a socialist. He wasnt simply the head of the National SOCIALIST Party he as the head
      of the National SOCIALIST WORKERS Party. Thats a double left loon whammy.
      Hitler shot a socialist. Socialists hold the world record in shooting peeps FFS. Now the loons are going to say Beria was not a commie because he was shot by Commies or vice versa, that the commies were not commies because they shot a commie.
      Left wing loons have weak minds.:crazy:
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    5. vegan.cro  spirit #594
      vegan.cro spirit #594
      You woke up :dog: with all the jabbering.
      Who do you think the person was? Geez.doh: It was likely AR or his amanuensis:clap: drumming up interest.
    6. Charlie Cheswick
      Charlie Cheswick
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    7. vegan.cro  spirit #594
      vegan.cro spirit #594

      AH, one of your stabby loons after Sadiq takes away the knives. I guess there is no harm in stabbing yourself with an ice cream. No harm no foul:crazy:
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    8. countthree
      countthree
      That's what socialism is about. It's a system condemned to fail, even when it may seem successful during the first times. Ask people from Venezuela. That's why Hitler's socialist government had to rob others: first his own people, beginning by the jews, and later he invaded other countries, first the enemies amd later his allies. That's what a socialist system is about: a justification of robbery, like taxes. My country is de facto a socialist state and we are continuosly expoliated by the biggest taxes of the world and even so it's no enough to feed the huge machinery of a non efficient dumb gigantic state. If you are a successful enterpreneur here you are condemned to be extorsionated by unions, expoliated by taxes and hated by your success. It's better close your business and let people kill themselves for a cents, whwn you know that with another system everybody could live better. But most government employees should look for a real job.
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    9. vegan.cro  spirit #594
      vegan.cro spirit #594
      Brilliant post.:thumb:
      That last sentence, tho will you bring swift condemnation from the layabouts here, like Chezzer, Skinny, :dog:,
      and blue:bird:s. The angry stabby lazy socialist mob.:clap:
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    10. URBANUS
      URBANUS
      Have to agree and Countthree has her moments when she turns into genius. Government employed people are the scum of the earth and nepotism rules.

      Most jobs these days are so called therapy jobs to keep people away from drugs and alcohol and other things they would must surely end up using being the scum they are.

      One word: smokers.
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    11. Derek17
      Derek17
      The irony of a socialist telling me to read a book is not lost here.

      I know exactly what socialism is. It's a destructive cancer that slowly but surely destroys every society it touches. You can't accept that socialism is a sick joke, a totally failed system, so you call me names instead.

      Socialism subsumes individuals, revokes individual autonomy, and denies individual rights and responsibilities and grants all of these things to the state. Socialism is slavery.

      Socialism enforces equity. Equity ensures that equality can NEVER be achieved. Relatedly, socialism enforces a perpetual oppressor-oppressed dynamic.

      Socialism COULD NOT FUNCTION in a society that had full confidence in itself, and this starts with having full confidence in the individual, in equality, and in the autonomy, rights, and responsibilities of individuals to form the basis of a healthy and successful society.

      You're not going to sell people on socialism. Everyone who considers it beyond a cursorial inquiry understands that it is totally undesirable and is doomed to failure—or worse—in the long-term every time it is implemented in any society.
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    12. Anonymous
      Anonymous
      Strangely, the same as capitalism. What everybody really needs is a nice mix of both.
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    13. countthree
      countthree
      The sad thing about sustaining deceiving fake therapy jobs is that a country like mine, which could produce and process food for 400 millions, barely can feed its 40 millions population. Some people are beginning to fall into starvation mode here, and despite the change of government two years ago the politics are the same shit than ever. The system is evilishly designed to avoid people producing by a combination of expoliative taxes, labour law, mafia unions and government corruption. The even more sad thing is that all powerful people in our government have their money in foreign countries, that's the worst economical prediction sign. I foresee huge problems in the future, maybe a revolution.
    14. Derek17
      Derek17
      Crony-capitalism is an issue that needs to be contended with, but my point is that socialism has a much wider negative impact on society. Capitalism is the best economic system ever to be implemented. That doesn't make it perfect, but it allows all other aspects of society to be determined, as a general rule, by the people rather than by the government. Crony capitalism, like socialism, is a problem because of greater government influence and involvement. It's like that passage in 1984 in which Orwell discusses how the rich among the capitalists gravely oppressed the people, only to turn around and say that under the socialism/communism of Big Brother, the oppression remained and only got much, much worse.

      Socialism is, ultimately, not an answer to improving capitalism. Socialism only gives the select few, the elites, the one-percent more control over the people, more power over the wealth of society, and allows them to take more of it from the people. I would argue that creeping socialism is the main reason as to why capitalist societies have deteriorated today. Just take a look at globalization, the ideals that underlie it, and its effects on the working-class.
    15. URBANUS
      URBANUS
      My offer for marriage remains my dear, you are such a nice surprise in so many ways.

      You describe Sweden quite well and it really is the same here but even worse. We cannot exactly blame poverty for having to carry around these stupid useless people given everything and producing nothing.

      I want the state to fall and everything with it and would prefer anarchy and chaos to this system designed to make people fat and even more stupid although it is probably important to become even more stupid than they already are.

      My mother got a unique insight into the world of those favoured darlings and she confirmed their stupidity was so great it was impossible to understand it. You will never find an office in the entire world that ever produced something of worth or good for the people.

      Thr statistics of the GDP, Gross Domestic Product, tells us hard labour and not weak handed office "labour" generates wealth and prosperity but many are the people who would not be able to work unless they could hide in an office and achieve fook all.

      Sad but true!
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    16. Joe90
      Joe90
      It appears that ex-Strasserites of the NF/Third Way/Third Position still feature in British politics (article on the right-wing "Heritage and Destiny" website - "Local Elections 2018: suspended Tory 'racist' gains seat" May 4, 2018):

      "Meanwhile the NF’s former deputy chairman Graham Williamson, once a leading figure in Patrick Harrington’s Third Way faction, who has now reinvented himself as a multiracialist, was easily re-elected in South Hornchurch as an independent residents councillor. His former Third Way colleague Dave Durant was similarly re-elected as an independent residents councillor for Rainham & Wennington. Their group has six councillors, but apart from Williamson and Durant has no connection to any nationalist movement (in fact one of their group is an Afro-Caribbean)."

      https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Graham_Williamson

      https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Patrick_Harrington

      https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Third_Way_(United_Kingdom)

      https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Official_National_Front

      https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/National_Liberal_Party_(UK,_1999)

      https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mark_Cotterill



      Ps. The Guns 'n' Roses song "One in a Million" was covered by English pro-NF skinhead bands such as Skrewdriver and Lionheart (see YouTube).

      https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Skrewdriver
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    17. Anonymous
      Anonymous
      Quick but very simple questions for the biggest dimwits here I've seen in years:

      If Hitler was a socialist why did he massacre, torture, imprison hundreds of thousands of socialists and communists and trade unionists? Why did he ban their parties and force the lot into concentration camps (except for those few who manage to escape)?

      It's so pathetic that a bunch of sweaty- palmed geeks are playing semantics online with a bit of cutting and pasting from wikipedia, when REAL PEOPLE were killed or slaughtered by Hitler because of their socialist beliefs.

      As for the non aggression pact with Stalin, he'd also signed one with British Tory Prime Minister Neville Chamberlain. Does that make the Tories "left wing" as well?

      See how huge the dimwittery of your average morrissey kool- aider is?

      Bungalow
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    18. Charlie Cheswick
      Charlie Cheswick
      The best is when you link them a nice simple, scaled down, easy to read and digest text of what Socialism is and the fuckwits dismiss it and tell you that Socialism is something else.

      It's one thing to not know something, no shame in that, but to deliberately get things wrong and be adamant that you still know best is a special kind of stupid.
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    19. Charlie Cheswick
      Charlie Cheswick
      I'm not trying to sell Socialism to anyone, personally I'm in favour of a mixed system.

      I'm just pulling you and others up on your incorrect definitions formed from not understanding what you're talking about.
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    20. Derek17
      Derek17
      That's silly. Political enemies are political enemies. Yes, Hitler's ideology evolved (and then devolved) over time, and the National Socialist brand of socialism is obviously a distinct brand, but that doesn't mean it isn't socialism at its core.

      Granted, by the end, Hitler backed himself in to a corner and perhaps was essentially beyond a coherent ideology aside from his own hatred, grandiose ideals, and need to "clean up" the mess that he had by then created. Obviously, things unravelled more and more and he failed (or succeeded as far as the likes of Prescott Bush was concerned). To deny the socialist roots of Nazism, though, is fatuous.

      What happened with Hitler is always what happens with socialism. Somehow, though, no matter how disastrous the outcome, you always end up with the idiotic socialist argument that "it just wasn't implemented properly" despite the multiple genocides of millions. Ultimately, you can play the game of semantics all day. Socialism is what it has proven to be throughout history. I don't care what you think it could be, in theory, if only it were executed properly.

      DOWN WITH BIG BROTHER.
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