James Maker statement: "In Support Of Morrissey" - James Maker FB (1 June, 2019)

Discussion in 'General Discussion' started by Famous when dead, Jun 1, 2019.

By Famous when dead on Jun 1, 2019 at 6:21 AM
  1. Famous when dead

    Famous when dead Vulgarian Moderator

    Dec 7, 2000
    Birmingham, U.K.

    "In support of Morrissey:

    The truth is, there is a hate campaign which is artificial, fabricated and does not reflect the views of real people: people who attend concerts and buy records. 'For Britain' is repeatedly described as a 'far right-wing party', when it isn't. It is run by an irish lesbian who opposes patriarchy.

    People are murdered on London Bridge, or children destroyed by nail bombs at concerts, or....the list is legion....There is a very much a problem linked to extremist Islam: its 21st-century core beliefs are still affirmatively anti-feminist, anti-LGBT, and anti-democratic. This is NOT anti-Muslim; it is anti-undemocratic; anti-patriarchy; anti-religious extremism.

    Morrissey was a contrarian in the 1980s and 1990s. and who saved many people's lives—as many hundreds avow—through the messages of his songs., In 2019, he is still a contrarian. Yet, in the UK, he is a hate figure whom a British newspaper is bent upon destroying.

    For a person who could have given such pleasure to millions, over the years, this is very sad, indeed. x"

    James' previous (much longer) statement last April was deleted from Facebook, but a copy of the text is available here and was entitled: "Is Morrissey A Racist?"

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Discussion in 'General Discussion' started by Famous when dead, Jun 1, 2019.

    1. Anonymous
      Oh but James... Regarding Morrissey, it most certainly is anti-Islam/Muslim, and not just “extremists” like anyone trying to save face or back-pedal would say. For you to say otherwise only makes you look pretty dumb in all honesty. All you have to do is go back and read Morrissey’s statement after the Manchester bombing, and reread the thinly-veiled xenophobia and Islamaphobia (notice I didn’t say “Islamic-extremistaphobia”). Things have only gotten worse since then, far worse. I understand you might want to defend your friend, but this statement just shows your beliefs to be as inaccurate and ignorant as his are. If you were really his friend you would pull him aside and tell him “Look, you’re kinda fucking things up, man!” But you’ve just shown yourself to be another yes-man like all the rest, and that’s okay; it’s expected now.

      Oh, and btw, one the biggest anti-LGBT crusades of the last few facades is being led by Christians, rather than Muslims, or did you not know that? And I’m taking about “funding” many millions of dollars, not just attitudes and hate-speech. And obviously I realise that this doesn’t include all Christians, but a very large amount, and not just fundamentalists or “extremist” Christians. But I see that you make no mention of that. For you to defend an organisation like For Britain though just goes to show that you have a slightly skewed sense of identity-politics, and your pandering to this “Irish-lesbian” thing like that somehow makes it less stomach-churning. Röhm was indeed gay too don’t forget, but that doesn’t make him anymore of a sympathetic character.
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    2. Anonymous
      that would be the end of his career in Germany, even worse then in the UK. There is no venue in Germany that would give him a chance to play. not to speak of BMG which will ...
    3. Gregor Samsa
      Gregor Samsa
      Has @Uncleskinny finally unraveled? He appears to be in shambles. He spent the entire morning, starting at 6 am, posting the same rants over and over. Does he have a family? Does anybody know about his private life? Does he have anybody to check on him?
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    4. Anonymous
      I do hope so. It's an interesting psychopathology...
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    5. Flibberty
      Morrissey considers them to be outsiders. That's always been more important than anything throughout his career.

      And people don't have to take Morrissey seriously on political issues. I'm sure a great many of us haven't for decades...
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    6. Ugly Devil
      Ugly Devil
      It's okay to be anti Christian cause that's the white folks religion. But we can't speak ill of Islam cause its predominantly the brown folks religion. We must be tolerant of their anti gay, anti women views, and at the same time hold our own paradoxical views on homosexuals and women. It's all very muddled, perhaps @Uncleskinny or @ordinaryboy86 can help us build a utopian society. Peter's lengthy diatribes are adorable, spamming a forum with the mantra "racism is bad" is really bringing us all together.
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    7. Uncleskinny
      Keep on downmarking, I'll keep on posting.

      Ha! Here comes the cavalry! Just as we've seen a hundred times before. Morrissey phones round his mates. We should all put our cups of tea down and pay close attention to ... **squints** .. 'James Maker'. He'll tell us what to think and do.

      A hate campaign? Oh my. Where to start. And shame on Maker for being dragged in to support For Britain. Shame on him. And of course, Irish lesbians can't be hateful. They're Irish. And Lesbian.

      Facts hurt. Tough. Own your mistakes. Apologise. Be humble. You'll sell more.

      And fuck Maker for the horrendous whataboutism in mentioning the London attack and Manchester bombing to get some equivalence. Fuck him. How dare he.

      I thought I'd seen something like this before, and here it is, from a Dutch fan who writes remarkably like our very own Thewlis, remarkably so in such a headlong blinkered manner.

      Quick, James - here's your point of reference. Now GO!

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    8. Stephen Hofmann
      Stephen Hofmann
      Why are they far right? Because they want to reduce immigration?
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    9. Stephen Hofmann
      Stephen Hofmann
      You really do deserve a smack.
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    10. Orson Swells
      Orson Swells
      Well, he displays a lot of psychopathic traits. The narcissism. The little Hitler mentality. The messianic delusions. The constant bullying and abuse of others. The refusal to accept any point of view that isn't his own. He thinks he's fighting bigotry while being utterly bigoted himself. I've also read posts by him (the ones that refer to "brown skinned people") which are essentially racist to me. Perhaps he's fighting himself more than anyone else. He certainly seems to be in some kind of downward spiral and in need of cognitive therapy.

      As an aside, I seem to remember spam post trolling breaks the terms and conditions of the site, doesn't it?
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    11. Anonymous
      You're thick as a plank sandwich. Did ya mammy not breastfeed ya?
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    12. Morrissey_Sucks
      Sure, because the top tax bracket under Bernie would be higher than that of the UK.
    13. Ben Budd
      Ben Budd
      Some of my best friends are Irish lesbians.
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    14. Anonymous
      You have just made all that up in your own head(with no proof/evidence whatsoever).
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    15. the.legend
      My five cents...

      Ahmad Mansour was born as an Arab (Palestinian) in Tira, Israel. The German-Israeli psychologist and author lives in Germany since 2004 and has been a German citizen since 2017. He is an Islamist expert and deals with projects and initiatives against radicalization, suppression in the name of honor and anti-Semitism in the Islamic community.
    16. Anonymous
      Ha ha ha 'You're a dirty racist' says people who don't want to listen to another person's point of view. Keep your mind closed. Keep it shut.
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    17. Anonymous
      are you talking about Morrissey?
    18. Anonymous
      Morrissey and Anne-Marie Waters hold more or less the same views on Islam as Richard Dawkins, Sam Harris, Michel Houellebecq, Christopher Hitchens, Ayaan Hirsi Ali, Niall Ferguson, Douglas Murray, amongst others. And more or less the same views on immigration as David Goodhart.

      Does that make them fascists, "far right" or "right-wing" (whatever that means)?

      Morrissey and Anne-Marie Waters are just a lot more clumsy and a lot less well-informed about the subject.

      Morrissey can express his support for Bernie Sanders, Barack Obama, Hilary Clinton, Nigel Farage, socialism, For Britain, "world peace", Tommy Robinson, the Kray Twins, Brendan Behan...he can claim to be anti-BBC, for Radio 2, anti-Guardian, anti-Trump, anti-Bush, anti-Blair, anti-Thatcher, anti-monarchy...for Israel....and for...animals. He's confused. He's not the only one, by the way: listen to the fake news and conspiracy theories on any British or American street and you'll find much the same contorted political understanding anywhere.

      Of course, there are legitimate criticisms of this clique of writers: Islam is a massive subject with a 1,500 year+ history...it's just simple-minded to throw around a few quotations and damn the entire religion.

      Terrorism is not an "Islamic" phenomenon, but a specifically "Western" (not that Islam is non-Western, by the way) and even submerged "Christian" tradition - world-changing, teleological violence - emerging in the nineteenth century and moving through Jacobinism, Bolshevism, Leninism, through Japan, Sri Lanka, Ireland, etc. before these tactics became used by Islamic groups in the 1980s and the 1990s. It's politics as faith, as religion.

      But on here and in the media all we get is "he's a fascist and an islamophobe" on the one side or "deport all Muslims" on the other...it's so idiotic.
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    19. the.legend
      No they are far right because some of them trivialize the 3rd Reich, WWII and the Genozide.

      The leader of the party Alexander Gauland said:

      " Hitler and the Nazis are just bird shit in more than 1,000 years of successful German history."

      WTF? A bird shit?!?
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    20. marred
      I couldn't have said all of the above better myself. Alright maybe I could have but why bother?
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